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62. At DU, many claim to be liberals, even, lately, democratic socialists or socialists, but, you know,

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 05:57 AM

Nov 2014

the sane, unsilly, realistic kind, who realizes that it is impossible for anyone left of David Brooks to be elected.

Whatever posters may think of baldguy, at least he is quite truthful about hating the left.

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The Orwellian redefining of the meaning of the words "centrist" and "moderate" by the right wing [View all] Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 OP

You don't think calling socialism "altruism" is just a little bit Orwellian? n/t simak Nov 2014 #1

George Orwell did consider himself a Democratic Socialist - so his work was certainly Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #2

I understand. simak Nov 2014 #4

IMO selfishness is closer to the opposite of socialism than individualism HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #8

So here we go again.... daleanime Nov 2014 #15

Sort of depends on whether it's run by friends or enemies... HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #20

I stipulate to your definitions of socialism and communism. simak Nov 2014 #25

God forbid we should all mean the same thing when we use a word. merrily Nov 2014 #53

Definitions: Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #19

You're right. From each according to his ability to each according to his need. merrily Nov 2014 #51

That's not altruism. simak Nov 2014 #75

My post said not a thing about forced or voluntary. merrily Nov 2014 #79

Voluntary is implied when you use altruism. simak Nov 2014 #81

The selling point doesn't determine everyone's motivation; and motivation is what matters merrily Nov 2014 #82

Socialism is not charity. simak Nov 2014 #83

You may need to read my post 51 again. I never said socialism was charity. merrily Nov 2014 #84

But you are saying that socialism is altruistic. simak Nov 2014 #85

No, I did not say that at all. You read that into what I did say. merrily Nov 2014 #86

You actually said "From each according to his ability..." was the epitome of altruism. simak Nov 2014 #89

hasn't there also been a redefining of the meaning of those words by the left wing? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #3

where is the middle ground on pay equity? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #6

Contentious issues, to be sure wyldwolf Nov 2014 #11

OK...thanks. what other issues noiretextatique Nov 2014 #13

Yes, there has been. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #7

I hope you don't mind if I try to answer your question Martin Eden Nov 2014 #9

Punctuation aside, it was much more of an accusation than a question. merrily Nov 2014 #57

The purists are out to destroy FDR's center-left Democratic coalition. baldguy Nov 2014 #10

your hyperbolic nonsense is tiresome noiretextatique Nov 2014 #14

The "more-liberal-than-thou" nonsense is tiresome. baldguy Nov 2014 #16

that's in your head noiretextatique Nov 2014 #21

noiretextatique asked you very good specific questions. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #22

The purists have the same objectives as the extremist RW Republicans. baldguy Nov 2014 #24

So in other words, you got nothin' LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #30

A lie is less than nothing. merrily Nov 2014 #58

List those objectives AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #35

This is the moment you lost any credibility you might have had left, just fyi. Marr Nov 2014 #39

This moment? NO that poster lost all credibility defending the Bush regime on DU2. Rex Nov 2014 #48

Interesting. I did not know that. Explains a lot. merrily Nov 2014 #55

That is a fucking lie. And you are a fucking liar. baldguy Nov 2014 #73

I have never seen him post on anything but how much he hates the left. merrily Nov 2014 #56

And... Oilwellian Nov 2014 #78

Again, you are at least as much of a purist as any other poster here, and much more than some. merrily Nov 2014 #54

How am I a purist? baldguy Nov 2014 #65

How aren't you? (Btw, your post just gave me a purity test.) merrily Nov 2014 #66

If you don't like purity tests, then stop trying to use them. baldguy Nov 2014 #68

Please don't be so dishonest. I have never given you a purity test. merrily Nov 2014 #69

You're certainly on the side of the phony "progressive" purists baldguy Nov 2014 #72

That's some pure baloney you're posting again, baldguy. At least you're consistent! merrily Nov 2014 #74

Big talk coming from someone who won't say they'll vote for the Democrat in 2016. baldguy Nov 2014 #76

He's just upset because his attempts to make people think it's Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #77

Trotting out the Strawman AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #34

No. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #12

Radical responses are not acceptable from the right or left, no, not everyone is radical left or Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #80

No, the entire point of the OP LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #29

Exactly! n/t Martin Eden Nov 2014 #31

Yes, and that poster is fully aware of the fact - and likes it that way LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #36

You don't understand? merrily Nov 2014 #61

Bam. Nailed it. merrily Nov 2014 #59

thank you Mr. Wolf I will interpret your words as a compliment Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #43

^ ^ YUP ^ ^ wyldwolf Nov 2014 #44

Yet, in 2008, each of Hillary and Obama included Reagan on her and his list merrily Nov 2014 #60

Most if the criticism is of phony "centrism" in quotes Armstead Nov 2014 #45

Centrists and Republicans moved the measuring stick by calling every Democrat a liberal. merrily Nov 2014 #52

+1 ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #70

Dude billhicks76 Nov 2014 #5

K&R.... daleanime Nov 2014 #17

1980's moderate Republicans- Orwellian term indeed. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #18

Huge K&R. They are not "centrists." They are extremists dismantling democracy itself. woo me with science Nov 2014 #23

Yes indeed. Spot on. n/t djean111 Nov 2014 #27

This, a thousand times. hifiguy Nov 2014 #33

I hope Sanders runs and talks about the forces that are "dismantling democracy" - polichick Nov 2014 #49

thanks for your links with some enlightening details Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #50

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. stone space Nov 2014 #26

Ha! That song often comes to mind when thinking about politics. polichick Nov 2014 #47

+1000.... This redefining is perhaps the most consequential accomplishment of RW propaganda.\, and Faryn Balyncd Nov 2014 #28

For the last thirty years, the M$M has been industriously redefining hifiguy Nov 2014 #32

I've always thought "centrist" should refer to the spectrum of debate within the *party*. Marr Nov 2014 #37

"Centrist" AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #38

Yeah-- that's weird, isn't it? Marr Nov 2014 #41

baldguy is one of the most extreme purists who posts at DU. merrily Nov 2014 #64

At DU, many claim to be liberals, even, lately, democratic socialists or socialists, but, you know, merrily Nov 2014 #62

Policies aren't "Democratic" and "Republican"... brooklynite Nov 2014 #71

Negotiation is a bad word AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #87

K&R for more visibility. nt Mnemosyne Nov 2014 #40

thanks -- Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #42

"Everything faded into the mist. The past was erased. The erasure was forgotten. The lie became Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #46

With all due respect to Orwell, the lie never becomes the truth. merrily Nov 2014 #63

First step is to stop caring how the right-wing defines anything. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #67

kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #88

kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #90

Nice post. madfloridian Nov 2014 #91