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mvymvy

(309 posts)
41. Political Reality and Experience Don't Agree
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:49 PM
Nov 2014

With National Popular Vote, every voter would be equal and matter to the candidates. Candidates would reallocate their time, the money they raise, their polling, organizing efforts, and their ad buys to no longer ignore 80% of the states and voters.

Charlie Cook reported in 2004:
“Senior Bush campaign strategist Matthew Dowd pointed out yesterday that the Bush campaign hadn’t taken a national poll in almost two years; instead, it has been polling [in the then] 18 battleground states.” [only 10 in 2012]

Bush White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer acknowledging the reality that [then] more than 2/3rds of Americans were ignored in the 2008 presidential campaign, said in the Washington Post on June 21, 2009:
“If people don’t like it, they can move from a safe state to a swing state.”

Campaigning is more than just "going" places.

Battleground state campaigning is NOT based on density of available votes.

In battleground states, every voter is equal, so a campaign must be run, and IS run everywhere.

Of COURSE candidates will go to rural states for classic photo opps.

The indefensible reality is that more than 99% of campaign attention (ad spending and visits) was showered on voters in just ten states in 2012- and that in today's political climate, the swing states have become increasingly fewer and fixed.

Where you live determines how much, if at all, your vote matters.

None of the 10 most rural states matter now.

With National Popular Vote, where you live will not determine how much, if at all, your vote matters.

16% of the U.S. population lives outside the nation's Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Rural America voted 60% Republican.

The population of the top five cities (New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston and Philadelphia) is only 6% of the population of the United States and the population of the top 50 cities (going as far down as Arlington, TX) is only 15% of the population of the United States. 16% of the U.S. population lives in the top 100 cities. They voted 63% Democratic in 2004.

Suburbs divide almost exactly equally between Republicans and Democrats.

I have provided actual evidence. Statewide campaigns are not only active in big cities. Candidates try for every vote in the state they can get.

Further evidence of the way a nationwide presidential campaign would be run comes from national advertisers who seek out customers in small, medium, and large towns of every small, medium, and large state. A national advertiser does not write off Indiana or Illinois merely because a competitor makes more sales in those particular states. Moreover, a national advertiser enjoying an edge over its competitors in Indiana or Illinois does not stop trying to make additional sales in those states. National advertisers go after every single possible customer, regardless of where the customer is located.

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I think that many here might be unpleasantly surprised by a popular vote system Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #1
You're assuming a binary winner-takes-all system unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #2
If you get rid of the electoral college SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #4
You'll notice I was talking in hypotheticals unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #6
Getting one Constitutional amendment done is big enough of a hurdle SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #9
Who cares? unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #10
My bad SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #12
The National Popular Vote Bill - 61% of the way of going into effect mvymvy Nov 2014 #28
Thanks SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #30
and what is wrong with that concept wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #8
congressional districts should have a maximum allowed in any one district wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #5
Yep. unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #7
I have been against the electoral college since 1969 wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #3
The Candidate with the Most Votes Should Win mvymvy Nov 2014 #27
I have a degree in political science from the Electoral College. kwassa Nov 2014 #11
I'm sure the Founding Fathers came up with the idea customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #13
Minorities and women didn't have the vote until 1920 and 1964. CK_John Nov 2014 #22
unless there is sarcasm here ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2014 #42
Yes, thanks customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #45
On paper... world wide wally Nov 2014 #14
I actually think that getting rid of it, would be more of a disenfranchisment KMOD Nov 2014 #15
No shit, that is where the people are! One person, one vote. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #16
Doesn't it already? Through the House votes? n/t KMOD Nov 2014 #17
So issues important to North Dakota don't matter? davidn3600 Nov 2014 #18
A North Dakotan vote shouldn't have more weight in choosing a president ProfessorPlum Nov 2014 #20
You are thinking about it in a skewed way, I think ProfessorPlum Nov 2014 #19
Safe states, and swing states aren't static. KMOD Nov 2014 #31
States' Partisanship Has Hardened mvymvy Nov 2014 #33
Big City & Campaign Realities mvymvy Nov 2014 #34
Political Realities of Big States. They would not decide every election mvymvy Nov 2014 #26
8 small western states KMOD Nov 2014 #32
Small States Support a National Popular Vote mvymvy Nov 2014 #35
Near Misses are Now Frequently Common mvymvy Nov 2014 #36
Be careful what you wish for zipplewrath Nov 2014 #21
Near Misses are Now Frequently Common mvymvy Nov 2014 #23
When Every Vote is Equal and Matters, Turnout does and will Increase mvymvy Nov 2014 #24
When and where every voter is equal, a campaign must be run everywhere mvymvy Nov 2014 #25
No zipplewrath Nov 2014 #29
When and where every voter is equal, a campaign must be run everywhere mvymvy Nov 2014 #37
Tad Deceiving zipplewrath Nov 2014 #38
One Person, One Vote, Each Equal, Each Matters Equally, Most Votes Wins mvymvy Nov 2014 #39
And this will get worse with a purely popular vote zipplewrath Nov 2014 #40
Political Reality and Experience Don't Agree mvymvy Nov 2014 #41
Again decieving zipplewrath Nov 2014 #43
I have been saying this for years AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #44
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