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maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
45. It died because FDR wasn't Progressive enough
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 01:58 PM
Nov 2014

And just like today, since some on the left didn't get everything on their liberal "wish-list", we've pushed progress back another generation.

Let me say up front that I consider FDR our greatest President.

But I also don’t think that folks comprehend that he was NOT a flaming Liberal. Most Progressive President of the past 100 years? Sure, but President Obama would give him a run for the money on that title.

Below are a few policies that FDR supported and pushed for. Try to imagine, if you will, how some on DU would react to these issues, and you’ll get an idea of my point.

Bottom line is that I firmly believe that if DU existed under FDR’s time, we would have DUer’s consistently questioning his liberal bonafides, and quite possibly, saying the same shit that they say today;

- “On the Eve of the Election, explain why we should support FDR”

- “Let me get this straight” – FDR did something, or said something I don’t approve of

- “Hoover more Progressive than FDR”

And on and on….

Just try to imagine the vitriol we would see on DU regarding just a few of the things FDR did. (Source is Wikipedia)

- In March 1917, after Germany initiated its submarine warfare campaign, Roosevelt asked Wilson for permission, which was denied, to fit the naval fleet out for war. He became an enthusiastic advocate of the submarine and of means to combat the German submarine menace to Allied shipping: he proposed building a mine barrier across the North Sea from Norway to Scotland. In 1918, he visited Scotland, England, Wales, and France to inspect American naval facilities. Roosevelt wanted to provide arms to the merchant marine; knowing that a sale of arms was prohibited, he asked Wilson for approval to lease the arms to the mariners. Wilson ultimately approved this by executive order, and a precedent was set for Roosevelt to take similar action in 1940.

- Roosevelt needed the support of Southern Democrats for his New Deal programs, and he therefore decided not to push for anti-lynching legislation that could not pass and might threaten his ability to pass his highest priority programs

- Roosevelt campaigned on the Democratic platform advocating "immediate and drastic reductions of all public expenditures," "abolishing useless commissions and offices, consolidating departments and bureaus, and eliminating extravagances" and for a "sound currency to be maintained at all hazards."

- Roosevelt expanded a Hoover agency, the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, making it a major source of financing for railroads and industry. Roosevelt made agricultural relief a high priority and set up the first Agricultural Adjustment Administration (AAA). The AAA tried to force higher prices for commodities by paying farmers to take land out of crops and to cut herds.

- Roosevelt tried to keep his campaign promise by cutting the federal budget – including a reduction in military spending from $752 million in 1932 to $531 million in 1934 and a 40% cut in spending on veterans' benefits – by removing 500,000 veterans and widows from the pension rolls and reducing benefits for the remainder, as well as cutting the salaries of federal employees and reducing spending on research and education.

- Enemy aliens and people of Japanese ancestry fared badly. On February 19, 1942, Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066 that applied to everyone classified as an "enemy alien", including people who had dual citizenship living in designated high-risk areas that covered most of the cities on the West Coast. With the U.S. at war with Italy, some 600,000 Italian aliens (citizens of Italy who did not have U.S. citizenship) were subjected to strict travel restrictions; the restrictions were lifted in October 1942. Some 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry were forced to leave the West Coast. From 1942 to 1945, they lived in internment camps inland. Those outside the West Coast, and in Hawaii, were not affected.

- Roosevelt stressed both his proven leadership experience and his intention to do everything possible to keep the United States out of war. In one of his speeches he declared to potential recruits that "you boys are not going to be sent into any foreign war”.


AND HOW WAS FDR REWARDED?

In the November 1938 election, Democrats lost six Senate seats and 71 House seats. Losses were concentrated among pro-New Deal Democrats. When Congress reconvened in 1939, Republicans under Senator Taft formed a Conservative coalition with Southern Democrats, virtually ending Roosevelt's ability to get his domestic proposals enacted into law. The minimum wage law of 1938 was the last substantial New Deal reform act passed by Congress. Following the autumn Congressional elections in 1938, Congress was now dominated by conservatives, many of whom feared that Roosevelt was "aiming at a dictatorship," according to the historian Hugh Brogan. In addition, as noted by another historian, after the 1938 election increased the strength of Republicans,

“conservative Democrats held the balance of power between liberals and Republicans, and they used it to prevent completion of the structure of the Second New Deal.”

See, even the great FDR was not “progressive” enough for some, and just like today, the reins of power were turned over to the 1938 equivalent of the Tea Baggers.

I would love to say no, but the oligarchs have steamrolled over FDR several trillion times. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #1
Have you been paying attention? PeteSelman Nov 2014 #2
So... I Should Give Up On Voting For Democrats ??? WillyT Nov 2014 #3
I fear that all is lost. PeteSelman Nov 2014 #6
Reagan trickle down has failed miserably and much of what FDR did is still working. But jwirr Nov 2014 #35
No, because the alternative is roided-up republinazis IDemo Nov 2014 #7
they got us by the short and curlies. Too bad they've forgotten what they're supposed to do now librechik Nov 2014 #25
Strange, I heard "FDR Democrats" separated from "liberal, socialist Democrats"... moriah Nov 2014 #70
I don't know why. PeteSelman Nov 2014 #73
We may have to give up on "these" Democrats if we want FDR results world wide wally Nov 2014 #4
Pony lover. woo me with science Nov 2014 #5
Ingrate ??? - Yeah... WillyT Nov 2014 #8
James Buchanan is too "extreme" for the Dems--because he took positions, and that rankles the MisterP Nov 2014 #9
I know this is heresy. newfie11 Nov 2014 #10
If the FDR coalition is dead, it's because the "progressive" purists killed it. baldguy Nov 2014 #11
Oh Please... Do Explain... WillyT Nov 2014 #16
It's dead because all of its members are dead. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #20
I'm still here. Born in 1941. jwirr Nov 2014 #36
Pretty much except for the outliers mmonk Nov 2014 #12
And in some cases, Dems are to the right of Republicans (not just Obama) RiverLover Nov 2014 #13
Intentional betrayal. Scuba Nov 2014 #15
+ 1,000,000,000 !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #18
Sux for me because I'm an FDR Dem...with no representation. ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #14
A clue for the GOP-ish wingtip... Octafish Nov 2014 #17
FDR died 70 years ago. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #19
Did The Democratic Party Die Too ??? WillyT Nov 2014 #22
We held it because of segregation. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #27
Really ??? - We Lost The Congress After We Passed The Voting Rights Act ??? - I Don't Think So... WillyT Nov 2014 #37
What do you think LBJ meant when he said, "We have lost the South for a generation?" wyldwolf Nov 2014 #64
Well... I Know It Took A Generation To Do It... WillyT Nov 2014 #69
the south immediately began moving to the Republican side... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #72
And We Democrats Started Moving Away From FDR Priciples That Served Us Well, And Are Now... WillyT Nov 2014 #75
Your long reply has nothing to do with your initial claim. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #76
So... No Response... No Concern... How Do You Propose We Win Again ??? WillyT Nov 2014 #85
stay on task much? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #92
Non Responsive... WillyT Nov 2014 #93
evasive. You completely changed the subject wyldwolf Nov 2014 #95
"Racist southern whites were a key part of the FDR coalition." Erm, not quite. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #58
The Southern faction did, indeed, play a major role wyldwolf Nov 2014 #66
Here's a black perspective, Mary McLeod Bethune's~ RiverLover Nov 2014 #68
Well...... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #71
"FDR let the Dixiecrats 'in to an extent.'" No, they played a major role in the New Deal's passage wyldwolf Nov 2014 #74
"No, they played a major role in the New Deal's passage", I'm sorry, but that's a myth...... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #80
I just posted source material and you still contend it's a myth wyldwolf Nov 2014 #84
Re: "If the facts don't fit your world view, you just deny they exist." AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #87
the source materials contradicted your opinions (what you're calling 'facts') wyldwolf Nov 2014 #96
Those were not opinions. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #102
Hm. Ok, un-sourced, un-linked cites. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #103
I'll let you know when I find the sources I'm looking for. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #104
That one XemaSab Nov 2014 #106
We didn't hold 'congress for 40 years because of FDR.' wyldwolf Nov 2014 #63
“government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob.” FDR adirondacker Nov 2014 #21
Maybe we need an FDR Democratic Party to challenge the Cleita Nov 2014 #23
+1 Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #24
How would you get southern white racists to sign up? geek tragedy Nov 2014 #28
Really? Cleita Nov 2014 #29
They were Democrats under FDR because Lincoln geek tragedy Nov 2014 #44
Well now they have been Republicans for decades now. Cleita Nov 2014 #46
That is not the FDR coalition though. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #47
It can be if our activists explain it to them. eom Cleita Nov 2014 #48
No, it's a modern coalition, for better or worse. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #49
I didn't care about FDR when I was in my early twenties and I was Cleita Nov 2014 #50
No Americans have been thrown into internment camps lately... SidDithers Nov 2014 #26
Anytime anyone mentions FDR someone brings up the internment camps Cleita Nov 2014 #30
Then how about... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #113
That was started by Hoover. eom Cleita Nov 2014 #116
and FDR continued it. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #117
You've made your point. One of the greatest Presidents of this country also made Cleita Nov 2014 #118
And your point is... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #119
No... But A Couple Have Been Killed By Drones... WillyT Nov 2014 #38
Yes BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #31
FDR is dead, period. MineralMan Nov 2014 #32
That was Truman's judgement, through advisement, to use it, though. KoKo Nov 2014 #40
It wasn't built not to be used. MineralMan Nov 2014 #42
*checks my pulse* lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #33
You can sensse his spirit so often in our party. "You have to compromise!" he was fond of saying. raouldukelives Nov 2014 #34
I do not think FDR would have been for TPP, the ending of public education or environmental jwirr Nov 2014 #43
FDR....Who? KoKo Nov 2014 #39
I have read this post and apparently it is dead. So what the hell do we care what happens to Social jwirr Nov 2014 #41
Recommend...you are addressing the Roosevelt programs that KoKo Nov 2014 #52
I agree. One of the things I think that could have been done better is talking more about the things jwirr Nov 2014 #55
Agree with what you say. KoKo Nov 2014 #60
I think it may even be making a difference already. How many of us are spending as much at jwirr Nov 2014 #61
It died because FDR wasn't Progressive enough maxrandb Nov 2014 #45
Here's a short snip from a great article that explains why we want FDR progressivism to LIVE RiverLover Nov 2014 #51
Thank You For That !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #53
My pleasure WillyT!!! RiverLover Nov 2014 #56
This Democratic Party is nothing like my father's. Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #54
Not at all. He campaigned as one, though. And he won big!! RiverLover Nov 2014 #57
He never did break out those comfortable walking shoes did he? Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #82
The Turd Wayers want FDR gone from OUR party... 99Forever Nov 2014 #59
The FDR you're imagining never existed. Just as the Reagan the right imagines never existed wyldwolf Nov 2014 #62
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! KoKo Nov 2014 #77
How about... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #78
I'm okay with that......are you? KoKo Nov 2014 #79
definitely, which I why I always suggest it. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #81
Where are the links you demand from others? RiverLover Nov 2014 #86
glad you asked. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #94
Thanks for the links. But NOTHING here negates what he did for us while in office. RiverLover Nov 2014 #99
which isn't what I contended wyldwolf Nov 2014 #100
I'm not idolizing him. He came to be a populist slowly. I've read alot. What he DID though in ofc RiverLover Nov 2014 #101
Okay...what about his "New Deal" and "Regulating the Banks?" KoKo Nov 2014 #89
It was the center ground wyldwolf Nov 2014 #97
Way to go, Koko! Nicely played. :-) RiverLover Nov 2014 #83
I hate to say this, but..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #88
all you've offered me is... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #98
LOL !!! - IRONIC !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #105
Again, you reveal how fundamentalists have different definitions wyldwolf Nov 2014 #107
blahblahblah If the FDR I studied is not real, then who said this: Zorra Nov 2014 #108
So you 'studied' FDR and came away with one quote? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #110
I simply don't have any more time to waste on RW corporatist bullshit. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #111
Cop out alert!!! wyldwolf Nov 2014 #112
Buh-bye! Zorra Nov 2014 #114
aww! You found time to come back and say bye! wyldwolf Nov 2014 #115
FDR's Democratic Propaganda RiverLover Nov 2014 #65
Honestly I'd like to see the democratic party go into a more socialist direction. We need to craigmatic Nov 2014 #67
Me too. ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #91
FDR fought Wall Street, helped the unemployed become employed, and more... RiverLover Nov 2014 #90
FDR's policies are still alive in Europe. Strong safety net, high taxes, pampango Nov 2014 #109
Huh? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #120
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