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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
135. I'm not sure about that
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:14 PM
Nov 2014

White people have been known to be victims of questionable shootings though most of the time they have some mental illness where the cops don't know how to handle if it doesn't involve firing bullets.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/

17-years-olds, it think it depends on what the cop thinks is going on. This is true for everyone in knowing only what takes place in front of them, everything else may have strong evidence but you have to rely on what other people say & evidence that is available. 17-years-old is actually the same age as when I had my first negative encounter with police & previously wondered about the possibility of being in the "wrong place at the wrong time", I was struck over how remarkably easy that can happen.

I was passionately protesting me being put into a car with head cuffs (which confused the hell out of me as it was happening) and protesting--telling the truth and was told to "shut up", I was called "stupid", an "idiot", and a "liar"--which was based on someone telling them I was with them when I wasn't though it depends on with. A 2nd witness also made me look like a liar--there may be good reasons for police to seperate and question people (to compare stories & limit their chances of getting their "stories straight&quot but I was interested in exactly what they asked and exactly the answer because "with" is true depending on the question. Was I with him when we left the apartment complex, yes. Was I with him inside the vehicle? No. I never see him drove before, was 15 at-the-time, parked a vehicle as I was walking by then asked me if I "wanted to go somewhere?" the parking the car part didn't even register to me or had any idea that he was hot right now.

I believe the second witness may have been mistaken or based on seeing me leave with him outside the complex with he was inside the car but this is an example of things taking place when I'm not around so I only know what I know, not what the cops asked or what anyone said. The first, my hunch says he outright lied saying I was with him inside the car because the cops noticed the cigarettes in my pocket that came from the same guy's house the car keys did implying that I committed burglary, I told them that he asked me if I could carry them because he was wearing basketball shorts with no pockets so he left and came back and told me that he never possessed those cigarettes. (In my head I was going "I hope we go to court, I would love to go to court because I know I'm innocent&quot

I never mention the races involved because I know this was an anamolly. In the same state this took place whites are arrested for drugs the same rate as blacks though they are stopped by police officers less. In fact, Hispanics are arrested for drugs at a lower rate than both but are pulled far more. Point is, I don't mention it because the reality of the overall situation isn't the same but there is irony involved in who the cops believed was telling the truth compared to who actually was telling the truth. Who was treated very disrespectfully contrasted to his freaking out grandma "You should be proud of him for telling the truth unlike (me)"--I think his grandma knew him better than the cops did.

Bear with me, I'm trying to best explain what I mean. I basically gave an example of scenario which of course I wasn't shot (I was on the curb, asked to stand up--cuffed, put in the police car--I was losing my mind during all this but I didn't physically do the slightest thing to give them a reason) but a year earlier, two youths--one lived 3 blocks from me were shot at a Circle K parking lot two blocks from me. They were in a stolen vehicle and they had the parking lot blocked off with police cars so they tried to drive there way out through the vehicles and the cops used that as a reason to fire and it was excessive. If the story wasn't from 2000 with the civil suit verdict (which their families lost) summer 2001 it would be easier to find. Of course that situation is different than Brown's by the are shootings that are more questionable than Brown such as shot in the back wearing handcuffs -- http://www.8newsnow.com/story/4909076/las-vegas-metro-police-shoot-and-kill-handcuffed-teen Cops weren't charged either.

My point is a lot of cops enter situations so high strung that I'm not sure a set of rules are guaranteed though you are right about the community. If the questionable shootings happened at the same rate, even the disparities in drug arrests would lead to massive pressure (which I'm sure the media would gladly help with that) to change the laws. The part about if they "reasonable" fear their lives or others are in danger which doesn't require that it is actually to be one. Just the "reasonable fear" part is necessary which is why killer cops are never charged and even one that killed someone in their custody was convicted of "manslaughter" where the judge personally knocked off the severity of the charges and the punishment and the officer is back on the force. If this was happening to white people at a similar rate you best believe there would be change.

But, if the police shot a white man in a wheelchair because he wouldn't drop a pen and wasn't charged then nobody is safe.

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #1
That depends. If the description is of a MineralMan Nov 2014 #4
Is it just me... Cracklin Charlie Nov 2014 #81
No. No urge to put my hands up. But, I'm an old white guy. MineralMan Nov 2014 #83
Exactly. Thats what its coming to. nt 7962 Nov 2014 #112
It's not just you. KarenS Nov 2014 #126
Kind of like PsychGrad Nov 2014 #119
Are we sure there was a call? Politicalboi Nov 2014 #6
A customer inside the store called police. alp227 Nov 2014 #93
Nice try, major fail... Spazito Nov 2014 #10
Well SOME news reported that, you know like Rex Nov 2014 #13
But didn't that POS last night say something Politicalboi Nov 2014 #15
It is quite amazing the fallacy that wilson knew about the incident in the store... Spazito Nov 2014 #17
Help me out here... Whiskeytide Nov 2014 #22
The police chief, himself, stated wilson did not know about the incident... Spazito Nov 2014 #24
I saw that, and I have read a couple of accounts of it... Whiskeytide Nov 2014 #25
You know the old saying about assume, right? Spazito Nov 2014 #48
True. But my question still stands... Whiskeytide Nov 2014 #74
Your question is better directed toward the chief, the person who made the statements... Spazito Nov 2014 #75
OK. I just wanted to get your... Whiskeytide Nov 2014 #76
LOL, discount away... n/t Spazito Nov 2014 #77
People always tend to believe the statements that support their view... thesquanderer Nov 2014 #79
The DA said last night that Darren Wilson realized Mike Brown was the suspect rudolph the red Nov 2014 #57
So the police chief was lying and the prosecutor was telling the truth? Spazito Nov 2014 #61
Or maybe he mispoke. rudolph the red Nov 2014 #63
Or maybe the prosecutor deliberately "mispoke"... Spazito Nov 2014 #64
That's possible also, but I think that you are rudolph the red Nov 2014 #65
I provided the words of the police chief in my previous post... Spazito Nov 2014 #66
That matches exactly what the DA said last night rudolph the red Nov 2014 #69
You can continue to find fault with the facts presented to you... Spazito Nov 2014 #70
if you think about it BobbyBoring Nov 2014 #67
Yet that turned out to be a total lie. Rex Nov 2014 #11
People are not upset about shots that may have been fired during the alleged assault. Maedhros Nov 2014 #28
Except PsychGrad Nov 2014 #120
I'm sorry, but even if this were exactly what happened, my about-to-be-17 white son ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #31
Stop carrying that corrupt DA's water. Darb Nov 2014 #49
wilson at the time heaven05 Nov 2014 #68
So, petty theft is justification for shooting someone? world wide wally Nov 2014 #72
Hell, if your a white sports fan Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #2
Yes, that's true. You know...youthful spirit and all. MineralMan Nov 2014 #9
you carry a BB gun...or a real one eom noiretextatique Nov 2014 #3
I almost included that one, too, but it's less MineralMan Nov 2014 #5
that may be the case now with a BB gun noiretextatique Nov 2014 #14
17 year olds don't. MineralMan Nov 2014 #16
sorry...this guy is 18,, not 17 noiretextatique Nov 2014 #26
My White friends and I did all those things (except the sexual assault) and more and lived to tell Erose999 Nov 2014 #7
If you're a white male you can get away with pointing guns at federal agents mb999 Nov 2014 #8
That's true if there are enough of you with guns, for sure. MineralMan Nov 2014 #12
Yeah, that didn't help the Branch Davidians. n/t christx30 Nov 2014 #108
Not at all the same thing as I'm talking about. MineralMan Nov 2014 #109
You mentioned a bunch of people with guns christx30 Nov 2014 #110
Bullshit. Not even a close analogy Nevernose Nov 2014 #114
If someone at Bundy's ranch had opened fire, christx30 Nov 2014 #117
You can have your medical alert device go off... BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #18
Yes. You can have that happen, too, MineralMan Nov 2014 #19
lol... BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #23
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #20
Yup. It's an amazing double standard. MineralMan Nov 2014 #21
When stopped ask police for a ride home. gordianot Nov 2014 #27
And if you're 18 & belong to a fraternity TBF Nov 2014 #29
Such bullshit Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #30
That part is likely untrue, since so much of the rest of the narrative is untrue Hekate Nov 2014 #33
I did not include grabbing a cop's gun in my list. MineralMan Nov 2014 #34
It's not even remotely true. It defies logic. Darb Nov 2014 #52
Providing cover? Iamthetruth Nov 2014 #78
who's got their head in the sand? heaven05 Nov 2014 #71
Nope on that. My co-worker's 16-year-old grabbed for a cop's gun while stupidly drunk - haele Nov 2014 #123
KnR Hekate Nov 2014 #32
Thanks. MineralMan Nov 2014 #36
When I think of the shenanigans my brother pulled before his testosterone leveled off & his brain... Hekate Nov 2014 #43
Yes, something rotten indeed. MineralMan Nov 2014 #60
These guys lived UglyGreed Nov 2014 #35
Yes, so they did. MineralMan Nov 2014 #37
SMH UglyGreed Nov 2014 #41
Parroting a gun ban group doesn't help your case. N/T beevul Nov 2014 #87
What I posted was the picture UglyGreed Nov 2014 #88
The clothes don't matter either. You can dress in grubbies while white and not get shot. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #38
You can even wear a hoodie. If you're a young white guy, that is. MineralMan Nov 2014 #40
Mr. Mineralman ... yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #39
Not unless you morph into a white male teenager. MineralMan Nov 2014 #42
Yikes... yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #45
LOL! MineralMan Nov 2014 #46
Yes, and I am in yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #50
I love San Francisco! MineralMan Nov 2014 #54
Cool beans.. yuiyoshida Nov 2014 #58
A white kid can also walk to a store to buy some skiddles for his brother workinclasszero Nov 2014 #44
Quite true. MineralMan Nov 2014 #47
Great post. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #51
Thanks! MineralMan Nov 2014 #55
You can kill a bunch of people while drunk driving kairos12 Nov 2014 #53
That too, especially if your parents are wealthy and influential. MineralMan Nov 2014 #56
Even many of the white mass shooters have been appreneded without being shot by police. It says Erose999 Nov 2014 #59
What you say is true. Odd, isn't it. MineralMan Nov 2014 #62
too bad Brown did none of those things santroy79 Nov 2014 #104
Did none of which things? MineralMan Nov 2014 #107
The cops in Pennsylvania Nevernose Nov 2014 #116
great post heaven05 Nov 2014 #73
Thank you. MineralMan Nov 2014 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author unreadierLizard Nov 2014 #80
Michael Brown DID NOT ROBBED THE STORE. Video was doctored - Farmbrook Nov 2014 #84
Do you have statistics to back this up? JEFF9K Nov 2014 #85
No more than you do. But this is not a sociology paper. MineralMan Nov 2014 #86
K&R, dead on. nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #89
Thanks, Manny. MineralMan Nov 2014 #92
Perfect! loyalsister Nov 2014 #90
Go for it. I'd be honored. MineralMan Nov 2014 #91
Plenty of white people are killed by police. Brutally murdered, on video, and the cops walk. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #94
AMEN to that!!!! See my post #111. We have a POLICE problem. 7962 Nov 2014 #115
MinMan, with two 12 year olds added to the toll, I can't stop thinking about my son, your post Hekate Nov 2014 #95
Well it was in DUs left column, whic is a first for me, I think. MineralMan Nov 2014 #96
You can also rob a bank and not go to jail! lib87 Nov 2014 #97
get over it already santroy79 Nov 2014 #98
I think I won't, but thanks for your suggestion. MineralMan Nov 2014 #106
Cops are generally not very intellectual people True Blue Door Nov 2014 #99
Uh, no: Wella Nov 2014 #100
Nice post!!!!! santroy79 Nov 2014 #101
Thank you. Its a POLICE problem. 7962 Nov 2014 #124
Until we stop drawing lines between folks and understand that militarized policing is the issue Wella Nov 2014 #125
I agree. It does nothing to further reform. nt 7962 Nov 2014 #129
Only if you're not in the same area and get questioned by the LEO's ileus Nov 2014 #102
I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about, really. MineralMan Nov 2014 #103
Some Lives Are Valued More Than Others in This Country lib87 Nov 2014 #105
Tell that to these white kids killed by black cops 7962 Nov 2014 #111
Yes to out of control police problem, but in these 3 instances is there evidence these cops NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #127
No, thats the whole POINT. No evidence of that in ferguson either. 7962 Nov 2014 #128
The entire Ferguson incident was racial; I see we have MUCH work to do NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #130
*sarcasm* Only because you're putting race into it! lib87 Nov 2014 #132
I know, it is Brown's fault for being AfAm, if he wasnt there would be no race issue LOL NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #133
Thats your opinion. And if it was then are the opposite cases racial too? 7962 Nov 2014 #134
So shooting the kid those last two shots from 25 feet away in the head, if Wilson NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #137
I didnt say I was OK with it, just that the shooting itself doesnt prove racism 7962 Dec 2014 #138
you ignore the history of white cops noiretextatique Dec 2014 #139
You nailed it MineralMan malaise Nov 2014 #113
Thanks. MineralMan Nov 2014 #118
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #121
K&R very well said nt SunsetDreams Nov 2014 #122
you can beat up any woman or kid at any time hopemountain Nov 2014 #131
I'm not sure about that JonLP24 Nov 2014 #135
Mineral Man, I'm sorry, but Shankapotomus Dec 2014 #136
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