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In reply to the discussion: What You Can Do if You're a 17-Year-Old White Male without Getting Shot by Police [View all]JonLP24
(29,322 posts)White people have been known to be victims of questionable shootings though most of the time they have some mental illness where the cops don't know how to handle if it doesn't involve firing bullets.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/
17-years-olds, it think it depends on what the cop thinks is going on. This is true for everyone in knowing only what takes place in front of them, everything else may have strong evidence but you have to rely on what other people say & evidence that is available. 17-years-old is actually the same age as when I had my first negative encounter with police & previously wondered about the possibility of being in the "wrong place at the wrong time", I was struck over how remarkably easy that can happen.
I was passionately protesting me being put into a car with head cuffs (which confused the hell out of me as it was happening) and protesting--telling the truth and was told to "shut up", I was called "stupid", an "idiot", and a "liar"--which was based on someone telling them I was with them when I wasn't though it depends on with. A 2nd witness also made me look like a liar--there may be good reasons for police to seperate and question people (to compare stories & limit their chances of getting their "stories straight" but I was interested in exactly what they asked and exactly the answer because "with" is true depending on the question. Was I with him when we left the apartment complex, yes. Was I with him inside the vehicle? No. I never see him drove before, was 15 at-the-time, parked a vehicle as I was walking by then asked me if I "wanted to go somewhere?" the parking the car part didn't even register to me or had any idea that he was hot right now.
I believe the second witness may have been mistaken or based on seeing me leave with him outside the complex with he was inside the car but this is an example of things taking place when I'm not around so I only know what I know, not what the cops asked or what anyone said. The first, my hunch says he outright lied saying I was with him inside the car because the cops noticed the cigarettes in my pocket that came from the same guy's house the car keys did implying that I committed burglary, I told them that he asked me if I could carry them because he was wearing basketball shorts with no pockets so he left and came back and told me that he never possessed those cigarettes. (In my head I was going "I hope we go to court, I would love to go to court because I know I'm innocent"
I never mention the races involved because I know this was an anamolly. In the same state this took place whites are arrested for drugs the same rate as blacks though they are stopped by police officers less. In fact, Hispanics are arrested for drugs at a lower rate than both but are pulled far more. Point is, I don't mention it because the reality of the overall situation isn't the same but there is irony involved in who the cops believed was telling the truth compared to who actually was telling the truth. Who was treated very disrespectfully contrasted to his freaking out grandma "You should be proud of him for telling the truth unlike (me)"--I think his grandma knew him better than the cops did.
Bear with me, I'm trying to best explain what I mean. I basically gave an example of scenario which of course I wasn't shot (I was on the curb, asked to stand up--cuffed, put in the police car--I was losing my mind during all this but I didn't physically do the slightest thing to give them a reason) but a year earlier, two youths--one lived 3 blocks from me were shot at a Circle K parking lot two blocks from me. They were in a stolen vehicle and they had the parking lot blocked off with police cars so they tried to drive there way out through the vehicles and the cops used that as a reason to fire and it was excessive. If the story wasn't from 2000 with the civil suit verdict (which their families lost) summer 2001 it would be easier to find. Of course that situation is different than Brown's by the are shootings that are more questionable than Brown such as shot in the back wearing handcuffs -- http://www.8newsnow.com/story/4909076/las-vegas-metro-police-shoot-and-kill-handcuffed-teen Cops weren't charged either.
My point is a lot of cops enter situations so high strung that I'm not sure a set of rules are guaranteed though you are right about the community. If the questionable shootings happened at the same rate, even the disparities in drug arrests would lead to massive pressure (which I'm sure the media would gladly help with that) to change the laws. The part about if they "reasonable" fear their lives or others are in danger which doesn't require that it is actually to be one. Just the "reasonable fear" part is necessary which is why killer cops are never charged and even one that killed someone in their custody was convicted of "manslaughter" where the judge personally knocked off the severity of the charges and the punishment and the officer is back on the force. If this was happening to white people at a similar rate you best believe there would be change.
But, if the police shot a white man in a wheelchair because he wouldn't drop a pen and wasn't charged then nobody is safe.