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41. they're making a fatal mistake, of course: they don't understand that those *for* the New Deal

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:24 PM

Dec 2014

are almost without exception *against* the internment camps; BUT since they're personality cultists they actually can't comprehend that someone even could in theory be for somethings and against other things if the same person endorses/enacts both

the real lesson is, they really do think they've scotched Social Security defenders by bringing up the camps!

remember when they flipped out because Michael Moore made a criticism recently?: they literally said the lefties wanted everyone to be in 100% agreement with Moore and that the loyalists *weren't* 100% in agreement with Obama even though Moore's criticism was relatively mild

it's like the fundies trying to say evolution's a religion: there are definitely religions *of* evolution, but they're not in play in 92% of the cases: but their outlook is that these are two religions fighting one another, when in fact it's science (which doesn't need to be monolithic) and a theologically-bankrupt faux science that's indistinguishable from flat-earthism, but has become predominant only thanks to a series of historical twists and turns

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When certain Democrats start attacking FDR, [View all] MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 OP

It does sort of let the feline out of the satchel, hifiguy Dec 2014 #1

Can you point out the satchel? A link maybe? nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #3

It all started with this post of mine on Saturday. hifiguy Dec 2014 #4

I like the part of the thread where you support Gov. Dean...the self-described 'centrist.' msanthrope Dec 2014 #7

Dean struck me as clearly the best alternative hifiguy Dec 2014 #13

the dean of 2004 is the same dean of today JI7 Dec 2014 #17

Dean is like Hillary? JDPriestly Dec 2014 #100

Dean hasn't changed. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #31

obama, the self described moderate republican... msongs Dec 2014 #38

"From the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party," according to Dean, not the DLC wing. merrily Dec 2014 #80

You missed the part where he called himself a "centrist?" His endorsement of HRC? nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #105

Nope. I quoted what he said when he ran for the nom. How is Dean making a living these days? merrily Dec 2014 #139

Apparently..he's endorsing HRC for 2016! msanthrope Dec 2014 #143

Is there any context for this? A link? Are we supposed to turn on the tv right fuggin msanthrope Dec 2014 #2

msanthrope~ sheshe2 Dec 2014 #21

Malaise does these types of threads so much better. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #33

That stevil Dec 2014 #30

You mad? L0oniX Dec 2014 #130

About Manny's malaise impression? Fuggin' no! I'm mad about Mike Brown. I'm mad about msanthrope Dec 2014 #134

Now, now, they'll have *protections* for the poorest... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #5

Or, Cleita Dec 2014 #6

but the japanese camps have nothing to do with internment of japanese americans by the American Govt JI7 Dec 2014 #9

You just keep telling yourself that. Cleita Dec 2014 #11

do you think they only torture and behead americans ? JI7 Dec 2014 #12

You obviously didn't read either of my post which tells me you aren't Cleita Dec 2014 #20

i read your posts, you are trying to justify what one side did by bringing up the other side JI7 Dec 2014 #22

You quote to me where I said they were worse? n/t Cleita Dec 2014 #25

No, the poster was not trying to justify torture by any side. Jeebus! merrily Dec 2014 #73

Was our torture before and after the Bush administration better? merrily Dec 2014 #55

And this has what to do with FDR? eom Cleita Dec 2014 #58

Beats me. I wasn't the one who brought up torture of Arabs on an FDR thread. merrily Dec 2014 #60

You missed the point but wth. eom Cleita Dec 2014 #61

Nope, I didn't. Just did not want to leave a misimpression on the thread. merrily Dec 2014 #62

Race-based concentration camps are more than "oops" nt geek tragedy Dec 2014 #16

Any Europeans or European looking people like Aussies, Kiwis and Yanks were Cleita Dec 2014 #19

Fascist, racist dictatorships are not an appropriate baseline. nt geek tragedy Dec 2014 #24

My baseline is what happens in war and its a fact that all sides in that Cleita Dec 2014 #26

FFS - saying "they all did it " is complete bullshit - stop it!!! nt pkdu Dec 2014 #51

Germans and Italians were also "interned" though not in the same mind boggling numbers. merrily Dec 2014 #56

Good point merrily JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #84

Well, except for Hawaii, where they were more scared of not having their money and work. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #44

But FDR was better than everyone else treestar Dec 2014 #75

Of course he was and I'm fed up with so called liberals sweeping all the Cleita Dec 2014 #102

That's a pretty major black mark usually treestar Dec 2014 #106

Well then put your energies into getting rid of the internment camps we Cleita Dec 2014 #107

Not comparable at all treestar Dec 2014 #108

Yes, they were on both sides. Everyone was guilty and that was seventy five Cleita Dec 2014 #112

FDR was an awesome president and my favorite LeftInTX Dec 2014 #110

Let's do a little more history. Cleita Dec 2014 #115

I'll have to check out Upton Sinclair's book LeftInTX Dec 2014 #117

It's actually on line for free. Cleita Dec 2014 #118

Thx - got it LeftInTX Dec 2014 #121

You may know U. Sinclair's 'The Jungle' 1906 about immigrant worker abuse and meatpacking appalachiablue Dec 2014 #129

Wow just wow - I found this online: The Plot to Sieze the Whitehouse LeftInTX Dec 2014 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #8

! MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #10

!! Vincardog Dec 2014 #15

The only difference between the Turd Way and the hifiguy Dec 2014 #14

The thing about boiling frogs: it has to be slow or they jump out of the pot before they're cooked. merrily Dec 2014 #57

BWHAHAHAHA! Segami Dec 2014 #23

LOL. Begs the question, how much wood would a woodchuck chuck? merrily Dec 2014 #72

A woodchuck would chuck as many chucks as a woodchuck could chuck MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #77

LOL, but it's too late. We already had that "reform." merrily Dec 2014 #78

Yup. Smells like an overgrown ground squirrel. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #91

Actually Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #133

"Smells like woodchuck" cooking over an open fire, chest nuts included. L0oniX Dec 2014 #135

We will. Faryn Balyncd Dec 2014 #18

Democrats up to this point have only really tip toed around the idea of things like liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #27

According to Conyers, Obama put both Social Security and Medicare on the table, unsolicited merrily Dec 2014 #59

You are correct: bvar22 Dec 2014 #126

A poster insists Obama campaigned on cutting Social Security, so I googled. merrily Dec 2014 #137

Do you have a link for this Manny or are you talking about in general? hrmjustin Dec 2014 #28

Someone else does, up thread. nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #34

No, Manny.... ReRe Dec 2014 #29

K&R! Anyone who attacks FDR Kermitt Gribble Dec 2014 #32

Ok. I'll just give him a free pass on that Japanese internment thing bluestateguy Dec 2014 #35

Same kind of pass Clinton, Bush and Obama get on torture and drone killings? merrily Dec 2014 #63

We get the party back? marym625 Dec 2014 #36

LOL. Love it. merrily Dec 2014 #64

Thanks! :-) n/t marym625 Dec 2014 #88

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #37

Call them by any name they want... 99Forever Dec 2014 #39

Republicans is probably both the simplest and most honest. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #40

True that. 99Forever Dec 2014 #45

they're making a fatal mistake, of course: they don't understand that those *for* the New Deal MisterP Dec 2014 #41

excellent post. nt navarth Dec 2014 #46

Apparently, if you criticize a Democratic politician, you ae not a "real" Democrat because merrily Dec 2014 #65

There's no ass left in the room. You just kicked it all with this post. beerandjesus Dec 2014 #86

We need to hear more from you, MisterP. More often and just more. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #92

eh, "Daria" made the point better MisterP Dec 2014 #111

I don't particularly like peanuts, does that mean I hate Carter? I like jelly beans so that means I appalachiablue Dec 2014 #131

well, DU hasn't been too strong on the "fans of 'Pan Am'/'Mad Men' are racist" bandwagon MisterP Dec 2014 #142

I find the need to tear down FDR to defend Obama and conservative Democrats strange. neverforget Dec 2014 #42

Unfortunately, we are living with a lot fewer of the good programs FDR created. Others are merrily Dec 2014 #66

These programs are being dismantled in the name of deficit reduction neverforget Dec 2014 #128

Yep. And "reform" never means anything good for the 99% anymore. But the dismantling merrily Dec 2014 #136

+1000 mmonk Dec 2014 #98

There are valid criticisms of FDR, and people don't have to hero worship gollygee Dec 2014 #43

Is there a source for that quote? mountain grammy Dec 2014 #47

See any of the last 3 FDR threads. Its crazy! Our best dem ever... RiverLover Dec 2014 #48

I don't get "attacking" I don't see where not seeing an historical mountain grammy Dec 2014 #49

I never see where seeing the flaws of any President is being a "hater," but that gets said here merrily Dec 2014 #67

I don't get why the fan club believes that pointing out FDRs mistakes makes Obama Doctor_J Dec 2014 #50

They don't, same way as calling the left haters doesn't change anything. It's just easier merrily Dec 2014 #68

Let's lay it out in the form of a syllogism. beerandjesus Dec 2014 #87

What do you mean start? FDR went under the bus years ago. merrily Dec 2014 #52

True enough MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #53

I didn't know that. But, let me get this straight: merrily Dec 2014 #54

Are Third Wayers and their posters here refuse from the '90s- Clintonistas? Or slightly younger appalachiablue Dec 2014 #69

I would not use that framing, but I think there is a range of ages and types. merrily Dec 2014 #71

The 1992 election of Clinton and Gore was like the skies parted and the sun returned appalachiablue Dec 2014 #120

Here's my non-sarcastic, non-snarky answer: beerandjesus Dec 2014 #89

Excellent analysis and explanation JimDandy Dec 2014 #101

I think that's spot on LiberalLovinLug Dec 2014 #109

In no. 69 I meant refugees or remnants of the 90s, particularly those involved in appalachiablue Dec 2014 #125

There are fair criticisms JonLP24 Dec 2014 #70

Too bad he's not a lone wolf. merrily Dec 2014 #79

If he were judged on the same standard by which you judge President Obama treestar Dec 2014 #74

What, pray tell, are my standards? MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #76

.... merrily Dec 2014 #81

Exactly right, but Treestar has a point MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #85

I didn't try to link you to FDR's speech, but to a post of mine on the same thread. Guess it didn't merrily Dec 2014 #140

The destruction of the New Deal was Reagan's goal and that of his supporters. Memory is useful. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #82

Thank you for sharing that, Bluenorthwest. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #97

K&R DeSwiss Dec 2014 #83

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #90

I hope that most of these people (on DU at least) are only trying to defend Obama from criticism. dawg Dec 2014 #93

They don't think that far ahead. bvar22 Dec 2014 #144

I have searched du and cannot find where anyone uses the quote you are claiming. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #94

If they start saying that RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #95

Those who attack FDR are no Democrats. longship Dec 2014 #96

I suspect that most of them are the product of Reagan era brainwashing, and Zorra Dec 2014 #99

Thank you. This clarifies a lot, horrible as it is. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #141

I am beginning to get sick of hearing about FDR. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #103

Thing is, I don't think anyone's doing that. beerandjesus Dec 2014 #113

Where is Tip O'Niel when you need him 4Q2u2 Dec 2014 #104

His name was O'Neill, and he's dead. And he is most certainly NOT forgotten. MADem Dec 2014 #116

Know it well 4Q2u2 Dec 2014 #122

Who attacked FDR? I must have missed this one. McCamy Taylor Dec 2014 #114

The answer is no one. MADem Dec 2014 #123

Let me break it down for you wyldwolf Dec 2014 #124

And when they take praise of FDR as an Obama bash. cui bono Dec 2014 #119

It's not about FDR "sucking". It's about the hypocrisy of people who think Obama can do no right, NYC Liberal Dec 2014 #127

Reminds me of someone claiming 'Ali is the best, Robinson was not a real boxer!' lovemydog Dec 2014 #138