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71. I would not use that framing, but I think there is a range of ages and types.

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:57 AM

Dec 2014

To me, the commonality seems to be mostly unconditional party loyalists, Hillary being very obviously the one the party PTB have been pushing.

It seems to me that, with a few exceptions, the ones who can tolerate no criticism of anything Obama does whatsoever--the ones who will through any Democrat under the bus for Obama's benefit, from FDR to Warren and Sanders, to their fellow DUers, are also the ones who are the most vociferous and persistent, and not infrequently nasty, Hillary supporters. And among the unconditional party loyalists, there is a range from sincere to highly disingenuous. Moreover, I think personal economic interest of some kind is involved with some.

That is how I see it anyway. Your results may different and things in the rear view mirror may look more distant than they actually are.

BTW, Rahm is very much a Clintonite, but sans drawl and claims of feeling your pain while he ends "welfare as we know it" and fights for Dem vote on repeal of Glass Steagall. I don't know about Duncan.

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When certain Democrats start attacking FDR, [View all] MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 OP

It does sort of let the feline out of the satchel, hifiguy Dec 2014 #1

Can you point out the satchel? A link maybe? nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #3

It all started with this post of mine on Saturday. hifiguy Dec 2014 #4

I like the part of the thread where you support Gov. Dean...the self-described 'centrist.' msanthrope Dec 2014 #7

Dean struck me as clearly the best alternative hifiguy Dec 2014 #13

the dean of 2004 is the same dean of today JI7 Dec 2014 #17

Dean is like Hillary? JDPriestly Dec 2014 #100

Dean hasn't changed. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #31

obama, the self described moderate republican... msongs Dec 2014 #38

"From the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party," according to Dean, not the DLC wing. merrily Dec 2014 #80

You missed the part where he called himself a "centrist?" His endorsement of HRC? nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #105

Nope. I quoted what he said when he ran for the nom. How is Dean making a living these days? merrily Dec 2014 #139

Apparently..he's endorsing HRC for 2016! msanthrope Dec 2014 #143

Is there any context for this? A link? Are we supposed to turn on the tv right fuggin msanthrope Dec 2014 #2

msanthrope~ sheshe2 Dec 2014 #21

Malaise does these types of threads so much better. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #33

That stevil Dec 2014 #30

You mad? L0oniX Dec 2014 #130

About Manny's malaise impression? Fuggin' no! I'm mad about Mike Brown. I'm mad about msanthrope Dec 2014 #134

Now, now, they'll have *protections* for the poorest... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #5

Or, Cleita Dec 2014 #6

but the japanese camps have nothing to do with internment of japanese americans by the American Govt JI7 Dec 2014 #9

You just keep telling yourself that. Cleita Dec 2014 #11

do you think they only torture and behead americans ? JI7 Dec 2014 #12

You obviously didn't read either of my post which tells me you aren't Cleita Dec 2014 #20

i read your posts, you are trying to justify what one side did by bringing up the other side JI7 Dec 2014 #22

You quote to me where I said they were worse? n/t Cleita Dec 2014 #25

No, the poster was not trying to justify torture by any side. Jeebus! merrily Dec 2014 #73

Was our torture before and after the Bush administration better? merrily Dec 2014 #55

And this has what to do with FDR? eom Cleita Dec 2014 #58

Beats me. I wasn't the one who brought up torture of Arabs on an FDR thread. merrily Dec 2014 #60

You missed the point but wth. eom Cleita Dec 2014 #61

Nope, I didn't. Just did not want to leave a misimpression on the thread. merrily Dec 2014 #62

Race-based concentration camps are more than "oops" nt geek tragedy Dec 2014 #16

Any Europeans or European looking people like Aussies, Kiwis and Yanks were Cleita Dec 2014 #19

Fascist, racist dictatorships are not an appropriate baseline. nt geek tragedy Dec 2014 #24

My baseline is what happens in war and its a fact that all sides in that Cleita Dec 2014 #26

FFS - saying "they all did it " is complete bullshit - stop it!!! nt pkdu Dec 2014 #51

Germans and Italians were also "interned" though not in the same mind boggling numbers. merrily Dec 2014 #56

Good point merrily JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #84

Well, except for Hawaii, where they were more scared of not having their money and work. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #44

But FDR was better than everyone else treestar Dec 2014 #75

Of course he was and I'm fed up with so called liberals sweeping all the Cleita Dec 2014 #102

That's a pretty major black mark usually treestar Dec 2014 #106

Well then put your energies into getting rid of the internment camps we Cleita Dec 2014 #107

Not comparable at all treestar Dec 2014 #108

Yes, they were on both sides. Everyone was guilty and that was seventy five Cleita Dec 2014 #112

FDR was an awesome president and my favorite LeftInTX Dec 2014 #110

Let's do a little more history. Cleita Dec 2014 #115

I'll have to check out Upton Sinclair's book LeftInTX Dec 2014 #117

It's actually on line for free. Cleita Dec 2014 #118

Thx - got it LeftInTX Dec 2014 #121

You may know U. Sinclair's 'The Jungle' 1906 about immigrant worker abuse and meatpacking appalachiablue Dec 2014 #129

Wow just wow - I found this online: The Plot to Sieze the Whitehouse LeftInTX Dec 2014 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #8

! MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #10

!! Vincardog Dec 2014 #15

The only difference between the Turd Way and the hifiguy Dec 2014 #14

The thing about boiling frogs: it has to be slow or they jump out of the pot before they're cooked. merrily Dec 2014 #57

BWHAHAHAHA! Segami Dec 2014 #23

LOL. Begs the question, how much wood would a woodchuck chuck? merrily Dec 2014 #72

A woodchuck would chuck as many chucks as a woodchuck could chuck MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #77

LOL, but it's too late. We already had that "reform." merrily Dec 2014 #78

Yup. Smells like an overgrown ground squirrel. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #91

Actually Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #133

"Smells like woodchuck" cooking over an open fire, chest nuts included. L0oniX Dec 2014 #135

We will. Faryn Balyncd Dec 2014 #18

Democrats up to this point have only really tip toed around the idea of things like liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #27

According to Conyers, Obama put both Social Security and Medicare on the table, unsolicited merrily Dec 2014 #59

You are correct: bvar22 Dec 2014 #126

A poster insists Obama campaigned on cutting Social Security, so I googled. merrily Dec 2014 #137

Do you have a link for this Manny or are you talking about in general? hrmjustin Dec 2014 #28

Someone else does, up thread. nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #34

No, Manny.... ReRe Dec 2014 #29

K&R! Anyone who attacks FDR Kermitt Gribble Dec 2014 #32

Ok. I'll just give him a free pass on that Japanese internment thing bluestateguy Dec 2014 #35

Same kind of pass Clinton, Bush and Obama get on torture and drone killings? merrily Dec 2014 #63

We get the party back? marym625 Dec 2014 #36

LOL. Love it. merrily Dec 2014 #64

Thanks! :-) n/t marym625 Dec 2014 #88

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #37

Call them by any name they want... 99Forever Dec 2014 #39

Republicans is probably both the simplest and most honest. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #40

True that. 99Forever Dec 2014 #45

they're making a fatal mistake, of course: they don't understand that those *for* the New Deal MisterP Dec 2014 #41

excellent post. nt navarth Dec 2014 #46

Apparently, if you criticize a Democratic politician, you ae not a "real" Democrat because merrily Dec 2014 #65

There's no ass left in the room. You just kicked it all with this post. beerandjesus Dec 2014 #86

We need to hear more from you, MisterP. More often and just more. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #92

eh, "Daria" made the point better MisterP Dec 2014 #111

I don't particularly like peanuts, does that mean I hate Carter? I like jelly beans so that means I appalachiablue Dec 2014 #131

well, DU hasn't been too strong on the "fans of 'Pan Am'/'Mad Men' are racist" bandwagon MisterP Dec 2014 #142

I find the need to tear down FDR to defend Obama and conservative Democrats strange. neverforget Dec 2014 #42

Unfortunately, we are living with a lot fewer of the good programs FDR created. Others are merrily Dec 2014 #66

These programs are being dismantled in the name of deficit reduction neverforget Dec 2014 #128

Yep. And "reform" never means anything good for the 99% anymore. But the dismantling merrily Dec 2014 #136

+1000 mmonk Dec 2014 #98

There are valid criticisms of FDR, and people don't have to hero worship gollygee Dec 2014 #43

Is there a source for that quote? mountain grammy Dec 2014 #47

See any of the last 3 FDR threads. Its crazy! Our best dem ever... RiverLover Dec 2014 #48

I don't get "attacking" I don't see where not seeing an historical mountain grammy Dec 2014 #49

I never see where seeing the flaws of any President is being a "hater," but that gets said here merrily Dec 2014 #67

I don't get why the fan club believes that pointing out FDRs mistakes makes Obama Doctor_J Dec 2014 #50

They don't, same way as calling the left haters doesn't change anything. It's just easier merrily Dec 2014 #68

Let's lay it out in the form of a syllogism. beerandjesus Dec 2014 #87

What do you mean start? FDR went under the bus years ago. merrily Dec 2014 #52

True enough MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #53

I didn't know that. But, let me get this straight: merrily Dec 2014 #54

Are Third Wayers and their posters here refuse from the '90s- Clintonistas? Or slightly younger appalachiablue Dec 2014 #69

I would not use that framing, but I think there is a range of ages and types. merrily Dec 2014 #71

The 1992 election of Clinton and Gore was like the skies parted and the sun returned appalachiablue Dec 2014 #120

Here's my non-sarcastic, non-snarky answer: beerandjesus Dec 2014 #89

Excellent analysis and explanation JimDandy Dec 2014 #101

I think that's spot on LiberalLovinLug Dec 2014 #109

In no. 69 I meant refugees or remnants of the 90s, particularly those involved in appalachiablue Dec 2014 #125

There are fair criticisms JonLP24 Dec 2014 #70

Too bad he's not a lone wolf. merrily Dec 2014 #79

If he were judged on the same standard by which you judge President Obama treestar Dec 2014 #74

What, pray tell, are my standards? MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #76

.... merrily Dec 2014 #81

Exactly right, but Treestar has a point MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #85

I didn't try to link you to FDR's speech, but to a post of mine on the same thread. Guess it didn't merrily Dec 2014 #140

The destruction of the New Deal was Reagan's goal and that of his supporters. Memory is useful. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #82

Thank you for sharing that, Bluenorthwest. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #97

K&R DeSwiss Dec 2014 #83

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #90

I hope that most of these people (on DU at least) are only trying to defend Obama from criticism. dawg Dec 2014 #93

They don't think that far ahead. bvar22 Dec 2014 #144

I have searched du and cannot find where anyone uses the quote you are claiming. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #94

If they start saying that RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #95

Those who attack FDR are no Democrats. longship Dec 2014 #96

I suspect that most of them are the product of Reagan era brainwashing, and Zorra Dec 2014 #99

Thank you. This clarifies a lot, horrible as it is. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #141

I am beginning to get sick of hearing about FDR. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #103

Thing is, I don't think anyone's doing that. beerandjesus Dec 2014 #113

Where is Tip O'Niel when you need him 4Q2u2 Dec 2014 #104

His name was O'Neill, and he's dead. And he is most certainly NOT forgotten. MADem Dec 2014 #116

Know it well 4Q2u2 Dec 2014 #122

Who attacked FDR? I must have missed this one. McCamy Taylor Dec 2014 #114

The answer is no one. MADem Dec 2014 #123

Let me break it down for you wyldwolf Dec 2014 #124

And when they take praise of FDR as an Obama bash. cui bono Dec 2014 #119

It's not about FDR "sucking". It's about the hypocrisy of people who think Obama can do no right, NYC Liberal Dec 2014 #127

Reminds me of someone claiming 'Ali is the best, Robinson was not a real boxer!' lovemydog Dec 2014 #138