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Turborama

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Thu Dec 11, 2014, 11:49 AM Dec 2014

Isis: The Inside Story - "If there was no US prison in Iraq, there would be no IS..." [View all]

From the mouth of one of the Islamic State’s senior commanders, the astonishing story of the birth of Isis inside an Iraqi prison – right under the noses of their American jailers.



At the beginning, back in Bucca, the prisoner who would become the most wanted man in the world had already set himself apart from the other inmates, who saw him as aloof and opaque. But, Abu Ahmed recalled, the jailers had a very different impression of Baghdadi – they saw him as a conciliatory and calming influence in an environment short on certainty, and turned to him to help resolve conflicts among the inmates. “That was part of his act,” Abu Ahmed told me. “I got a feeling from him that he was hiding something inside, a darkness that he did not want to show other people. He was the opposite of other princes who were far easier to deal with. He was remote, far from us all.”

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“Baghdadi was a quiet person,” said Abu Ahmed. “He has a charisma. You could feel that he was someone important. But there were others who were more important. I honestly did not think he would get this far.”

Baghdadi also seemed to have a way with his captors. According to Abu Ahmed, and two other men who were jailed at Bucca in 2004, the Americans saw him as a fixer who could solve fractious disputes between competing factions and keep the camp quiet.

“But as time went on, every time there was a problem in the camp, he was at the centre of it,” Abu Ahmed recalled. “He wanted to be the head of the prison – and when I look back now, he was using a policy of conquer and divide to get what he wanted, which was status. And it worked.” By December 2004, Baghdadi was deemed by his jailers to pose no further risk and his release was authorised.

“He was respected very much by the US army,” Abu Ahmed said. “If he wanted to visit people in another camp he could, but we couldn’t. And all the while, a new strategy, which he was leading, was rising under their noses, and that was to build the Islamic State. If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no IS now. Bucca was a factory. It made us all. It built our ideology.

It's a lengthy piece that's well worth reading in full: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/-sp-isis-the-inside-story
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From the terrorists' own mouths. American bad actions create more terrorists. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #1
This is a very thin argument, what the hell does whether the US had a prison in Iraq have Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #2
To find the answers to your questions... Turborama Dec 2014 #3
What does the Yazidi have to do with US prisons in Iraq? Nothing, nothing at all, ISIS Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #4
Did you read the article? Its got some very, very compelling truths we must face nt riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #6
What compelled ISIS to attack Yazidi is the overwhelming desire of ISIS leaders to force Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #10
Yes but as the article makes clear, we put them all together in these prisons riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #12
Are you really letting ISIS off the hook because the US may have introduced them? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #21
Please tell me where I've ever "let ISIS off the hook" riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #24
We will not let this reasoning it is the fault of the US having prisons in Iraq be the Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #27
We? Turborama Dec 2014 #31
A if you read the article you know why they killed the Yazidi men, kidnapped their women. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #32
If you'd bother to read the article, you might find out. jeff47 Dec 2014 #8
Fascinating! We sowed the seeds of,our own destruction. Common theme for failing empires... riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #5
That argument would carry a lot more weight if leftynyc Dec 2014 #7
The prisons didn't turn them into sociopaths. They already were. jeff47 Dec 2014 #9
Those plans were hatched in our prisons over there. Did you read the article? riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #11
Yes, I read the article leftynyc Dec 2014 #16
One dead American is victory to them, not only Americans but anyone who does not bow to Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #22
Well, there are over 300 million of us leftynyc Dec 2014 #23
They're treating others the way we treated them nichomachus Dec 2014 #13
You post they treat others the way we treated them leftynyc Dec 2014 #15
The killing of others is part of their recruiting as is the killing of Americans. Their goal is to jwirr Dec 2014 #17
They don't have the support for an empire leftynyc Dec 2014 #18
Yes, that is what I think also. But then it is not what we think that counts - it is what they think jwirr Dec 2014 #19
Ah, sweet irony. The "land of the free" builds more prisons than any other civilized country. Initech Dec 2014 #14
The facts do not align with the Narratve 4Q2u2 Dec 2014 #20
You mean there were no garlands greeting the torturers malaise Dec 2014 #25
Just like in America DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #26
Great post. Big kick for this! Nt riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #28
+1 liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #29
Brilliant and succinct analogy Turborama Dec 2014 #30
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