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104. No, we should give them all a pat on the back :rolleyes: Come on, we know they should be proesecuted

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Anyone who claims Obama called the torturers "patriots"... [View all] berni_mccoy Dec 2014 OP

Thank you shenmue Dec 2014 #1

Do you feel the torturers and their controllers should be prosecuted? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #48

do you prefer Pepsi over Coke? LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #101

For rectal hydration? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #171

Thread win. I salute you Autumn Dec 2014 #174

DUZY..nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #191

And there we go Scootaloo Dec 2014 #203

hee hee marym625 Dec 2014 #281

so now torture is an opportunity for a ha ha funny? LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #304

Torture is a crime under US Domestic, US Military, and International Law. DMay Dec 2014 #135

but they were scared patriots, hello! elehhhhna Dec 2014 #227

Exactly. I wonder if the Hague would accept that as a defense. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #231

Maybe if they promise never to do it again marym625 Dec 2014 #282

Well that'd leave out little Dick Cheney. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #305

Ha! :) n/t marym625 Dec 2014 #307

. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #341

Some of them were treestar Dec 2014 #156

But none of the architects of state psychopathy. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #248

Not Obama hater DMay Dec 2014 #131

Okay shenmue Dec 2014 #138

Why don't you address the issue here in lieu of calling people names? rhett o rick Dec 2014 #158

Because the newbie called shenmue an (R) and not the other way around. See? Hekate Dec 2014 #214

I will be glad to. If you look at post #2 what do you see? rhett o rick Dec 2014 #235

You called others obama-haters. prayin4rain Dec 2014 #159

+1. Don't expect a reply. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #166

Yes shenmue Dec 2014 #173

It's more offensive simply because you think it's in the TOS? prayin4rain Dec 2014 #185

wow youre more butthurt about du tos than torture? good to know. elehhhhna Dec 2014 #228

nailed it marym625 Dec 2014 #284

I missed something have the war criminals been arrested yet? Or are they out and about on Fox News? Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #2

Apparently Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #14

lofl!!! thank you... that made my day... words matter no doubt uponit7771 Dec 2014 #3

Do you feel the torturers and their controllers should be prosecuted? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #49

No, we should give them all a pat on the back :rolleyes: Come on, we know they should be proesecuted uponit7771 Dec 2014 #104

Sh hey ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #4

... BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #29

One persons "blame" is another "accountability"...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #202

And when that "accountability" is based ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #206

So lots of the torturers were patriots AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #5

Sorry Wrong Place n/t sharp_stick Dec 2014 #20

Re-read the OP brush Dec 2014 #106

and the One whistleblower went to jail. elehhhhna Dec 2014 #145

Still no blaming the Bush cabal I see. brush Dec 2014 #149

You are correct. The Pres is still not blaming the Bush Admin. He should do that rhett o rick Dec 2014 #154

Much as I hate to say it . . . brush Dec 2014 #196

I wish another country would do that. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #201

Maybe Bush and Cheney will slip up . . . brush Dec 2014 #223

Or maybe someone will kidnap them and take them to the Netherlands dflprincess Dec 2014 #251

Me too. Woohoo! nt brush Dec 2014 #256

+100000000 elehhhhna Dec 2014 #224

You made this up Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #195

That was in the OP at the very bottom. nt brush Dec 2014 #225

bullshit. reread it. elehhhhna Dec 2014 #226

This is at the bottom of the OP brush Dec 2014 #246

People don't understand Aerows Dec 2014 #269

What does this mean? brush Dec 2014 #290

Not even close, and kind of pathetic. -eom gcomeau Dec 2014 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #6

Sometimes the truth is not enough for some. They must create their own fucked up realities berni_mccoy Dec 2014 #8

Yeah, that's true. HappyMe Dec 2014 #21

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #32

I realize not everyone is going to agree HappyMe Dec 2014 #38

Does he think they are criminals? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #51

I would imagine so. HappyMe Dec 2014 #53

Then why doesn't he prosecute??? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #68

Has he said he isn't going to prosecute??? HappyMe Dec 2014 #73

And you think the President first saw this report when we did, 48 hours ago? eomer Dec 2014 #94

What's your point? HappyMe Dec 2014 #98

What was yours? eomer Dec 2014 #113

A case like this would take a long damn time to prepare. HappyMe Dec 2014 #115

Since you asked, here's a timeline of Nuremberg. eomer Dec 2014 #140

heh. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #169

Oh come on LiberalLovinLug Dec 2014 #198

When did he become attorney general of the United States? MADem Dec 2014 #132

Do you have a mirror at home? n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #148

Exactly. The facts don't matter.. twisting it like a gd pretzel gets more recs. Cha Dec 2014 #186

Just like you are! LOL! nt Logical Dec 2014 #327

He also said this: Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #7

How is that relevant to people here taking his words out of context berni_mccoy Dec 2014 #11

Considering his statement above that "these folks were under a lot of pressure and real patriots" Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #22

Who do you think he was leaving out ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #270

I'll put it straight to you brush Dec 2014 #291

Indeed....now name the prosecution you would start. The official, the victim, and the crime. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #13

I'm not in the position to prosecute anyone. But, Obama, has some "folks" in the DOJ who are. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #19

Oh..I know you can't prosecute, but you seem all eager, I'd thought you'd at least come up msanthrope Dec 2014 #33

"Them" dammit ... just "Them" for that! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #35

What is an accessory to a crime? Is torture a crime? Autumn Dec 2014 #52

Hey...I'm asking for specifics. I agree that torture should be prosecuted. But I also know that msanthrope Dec 2014 #67

Yes I understand . But I don't think that when Obama is telling the nation about torture Autumn Dec 2014 #102

I have no doubt that President Obama's wordplay there stemmed from the subject matter.... msanthrope Dec 2014 #176

Are you one of the ones saying that the president called torturers patriots? brush Dec 2014 #292

The in context quote is posted just about everywhere, you can do a Autumn Dec 2014 #306

You mean this? brush Dec 2014 #308

You know this is the quote that really disgusted me. Autumn Dec 2014 #309

Of course we all want them charged brush Dec 2014 #312

Let's stop with the hyperbole, on both sides. Autumn Dec 2014 #314

Bush and Cheney. Paul Bremer. George Tenet. Victims: grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #64

One....the "definitions" aren't what you prosecute under..... msanthrope Dec 2014 #75

When a mob boss orders a hit, it doesn't matter that he himself didn't shoot the guy. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #78

Exactly....so we aren't talking about prosecuting single acts of torture, or single msanthrope Dec 2014 #81

I'd offer the little guys deals, maybe even commuted sentences to rat out the big fish. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #83

That's mob business...this is more like Nazi business...there is paperwork, somewhere on all of msanthrope Dec 2014 #90

I'm sure they did enough to have themselves shielded treestar Dec 2014 #160

The same reason Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #181

A hitman shoots someone in the head treestar Dec 2014 #252

Each person harmed is a single count brought against all those in the chain of command. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #84

Exactly! (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #91

Not how it works...you have to show knowledge. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #92

The have said they knew. On the TV. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #215

Charles Manson never touched his victims either, did he? Seriously, your feel good about defending grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #82

I'm not defending...I'm asking you how to get the people at the top. msanthrope Dec 2014 #85

+1. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #77

Petreaus Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #210

Those words were just used to make the sale. You know how that works. Autumn Dec 2014 #26

President Obama explains exactly who he is referring to" okaawhatever Dec 2014 #89

So who was criticizing the law enforcement and national security teams that he felt the need to to Autumn Dec 2014 #109

Bush's national security team. Remember them? Rumsfeld, Rice there's a couple. Autumn Dec 2014 #125

And the day is over ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #34

They will never be in jail. 840high Dec 2014 #55

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #76

Filthy phuck Cheney is daring Obama to prosecute by taking full credit for his fucking crimes. NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #183

i doubt it shanti Dec 2014 #207

But he has NOT been naming names of who knew. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #211

But he said that in the past dflprincess Dec 2014 #254

Thank you and let's add that the claim of child molestation is completely unfounded. The okaawhatever Dec 2014 #9

I understand the narrow focus of the report excludes this material & I won't be delving into it, but proverbialwisdom Dec 2014 #27

And neither of those stories corroborates the claim that a child was sodomized in front of their okaawhatever Dec 2014 #31

There are multiple reports about programs at multiple agencies. Sy Hersh was referring to Abu Ghraib proverbialwisdom Dec 2014 #119

I'm not debating. I'm not the one who offered up an unsubstantiated and uncorroborated rumor about okaawhatever Dec 2014 #126

Uh, you originated the subject on this thread & rebutted it. I added The Guardian/BBC documentary. proverbialwisdom Dec 2014 #139

All I have to do is look at the photos of the Abu Ghraib nilesobek Dec 2014 #268

I think alerts, linked to this OP need to go out on every single post that claims msanthrope Dec 2014 #10

Er, Msanthrope Aerows Dec 2014 #263

How stupid. What was Obama saying we shouldn't be too sanctimonious about? morningfog Dec 2014 #333

Are you kidding me? Marr Dec 2014 #12

For you... berni_mccoy Dec 2014 #15

Who do you think the phrase "those folks" referred to? Marr Dec 2014 #17

Anybody who didn't know about the torture must be the "those folks" referred to Autumn Dec 2014 #40

"3-dimensional grammar rules" Aerows Dec 2014 #259

His reference to "those folks" was quite clear. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #271

About "folks," OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #285

Did I just step into another dimension? Aerows Dec 2014 #260

i think she is... Doctor_J Dec 2014 #18

i think this raises a larger question 0rganism Dec 2014 #16

Good point. deurbano Dec 2014 #87

Why did he mention people feeling 'sanctimonious'? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #23

Could that be because no pone is distinguishing ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #39

That doesn't seem to make any sense to me muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #62

Of course it doesn't make sense to you you are thinking rationally. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #130

He is so obviously talking about the entire thing treestar Dec 2014 #161

So who is the sanctimony about? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #192

It is clear he is defending non-torturing personnel treestar Dec 2014 #249

Speaking of torture, that logic is on the rack, inside an iron maiden, with "the pear" up its ass. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #343

They might treestar Dec 2014 #345

They might what? TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #347

The entire nation? "We" as a nation were wrong?? Uh, I don't think so. Demit Dec 2014 #199

We as a nation are responsible treestar Dec 2014 #250

That is such an empty concept, that "we as a nation" are responsible. Demit Dec 2014 #262

You're a voter and an American treestar Dec 2014 #300

Nope. I reject that. It's an attempt to diffuse the blame. Demit Dec 2014 #324

Parsed correctly Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #200

Exactly. Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #229

Yes, the context of the statement is important. Maedhros Dec 2014 #123

DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2014 #24

Thanks Berni madokie Dec 2014 #25

+ 1000. BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #28

Weasel words, beneath contempt. We didn't do things 'contrary to our KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #30

This ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #41

U.S. Statutes 18 USC 2340 and 2340A govern here. One doesn't need to KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #47

Not to get into the weeds ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #66

Not following your drift here. Did agents of the U.S. government violate U.S. KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #72

What I think and what I can prove ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #79

Well, actually, attorneys are in luck there b/c the U.N. Convention Against Torture (signed KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #86

Here's the problem ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #112

Well, here's a reasonable test that might even make the grade with attorneys. Did agents KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #144

I have no problem with your tone ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #194

Well, brace yourself, because Obama described it as torture right there. /nt Marr Dec 2014 #117

I'll tell ya what's "weasel words" .. pasting together and saying the President said Cha Dec 2014 #184

the subject was torture, was it not? G_j Dec 2014 #36

Wow... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #37

Another piece of shit used car salesman checking in Autumn Dec 2014 #42

Piece of shit here!!! Proud of it! Torture is abhorrent and must never be defended. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #44

Amen! markpkessinger Dec 2014 #63

Guess I am too. What you said. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #179

I'm good company. 840high Dec 2014 #56

At least we "all know it!" SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #100

<--- POS used car salesman checking in Aerows Dec 2014 #267

Anyone who defends torture is a "fucking piece of shit used car salesmen". This means those who fail grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #43

That's the bottom line Oilwellian Dec 2014 #155

So what he said wasn't what he meant. Iggo Dec 2014 #45

They want us to believe he has a bad habit of saying what he doesn't mean. Autumn Dec 2014 #50

Yes, that's gotta be it! RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #96

No he meant exactly what he said. Some people are misrepresenting that. He was referring okaawhatever Dec 2014 #93

In the context of the pending torture report, Obama is clearly referring to the subset Maedhros Dec 2014 #127

If he made the comment about law enforcement and security teams directly after the comment about okaawhatever Dec 2014 #136

I think you're making too much of a stretch simply to justify the President's words. Maedhros Dec 2014 #152

LOL! Politicalboi Dec 2014 #46

Not to get to deep into CT, but I was always struck that, with several planes KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #70

I feel the same and said as much yesterday. Control-Z Dec 2014 #54

Apparently, David Addington was that 'special kind of filth'. And I think John Yoo said KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #59

I agree 100%. Control-Z Dec 2014 #71

Alert Results: 2-5 to leave... stevenleser Dec 2014 #57

I was on that jury and voted to leave Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #58

Oh? Is it SAne DAy at DU... LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #128

HAHA.. their sensititive little skins can't handle some truth from Bernie.. Cha Dec 2014 #188

Why were people admonished not to feel too sanctimonious then? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2014 #60

" We tortured some folks" Meh bahrbearian Dec 2014 #61

"we" treestar Dec 2014 #163

Nobody has been 'sanctimonious' about those who didn't commit torture . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #65

Buddy, DO YOU THINK TORTURE SHOULD BE PROSECUTED? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #69

Got just one note today, doncha? Hekate Dec 2014 #219

Let me know when they're charged. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #241

That's some pretty careful parsing. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #74

It's not like he's famous for being an excellent public speaker or something. Iggo Dec 2014 #80

If it's careful parsing, then why do some here feel the need to cut and edit what he said? berni_mccoy Dec 2014 #137

he's still saying we shouldn't be "sanctimonious" about "things that were contrary to our values" MisterP Dec 2014 #88

obviously he's found this garbage indefensible stupidicus Dec 2014 #108

I suppose that's the real problem of "echo chambers": not that they radicalize people (they do) MisterP Dec 2014 #142

it's certainly one of the problems for sure stupidicus Dec 2014 #157

same problem everyone has with Discussionist: it's not a honeypot diverting the trolls, MisterP Dec 2014 #170

that's simply sad dude stupidicus Dec 2014 #180

well, there's many complaints about "protected" forums and the jury system and the exodus MisterP Dec 2014 #189

yep stupidicus Dec 2014 #208

presumably nobody's listening to them any more: MisterP Dec 2014 #232

your reading comp struggles doesn't make anyone a POS or a salesman stupidicus Dec 2014 #95

Thank you. elleng Dec 2014 #97

Thank you for saying Exactly That. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #99

I think "fucking piece of shit used car salesman" whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #103

I think Andy823 Dec 2014 #116

The president says some really good stuff and some not so good stuff whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #121

Apparently my new and improved "Ignore" list is working great. tridim Dec 2014 #105

And once again nichomachus Dec 2014 #107

I remember reading that his college students would scratch their heads Demit Dec 2014 #212

Berni, as usual, you sound very sanctimonious. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #110

Not half as sanctimonious at the people bashing the President over these words berni_mccoy Dec 2014 #153

And yet you could not respond to any of the points I made. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #204

Would a point by point rebuttal have helped you reformulate your thinking? Hekate Dec 2014 #222

Nobody gives a shit what they call torturers. Aerows Dec 2014 #114

What about prosecuting torturers from HappyMe Dec 2014 #122

I'm on board with that, too Aerows Dec 2014 #124

I'm not using any "he did it too" excuse. HappyMe Dec 2014 #129

"There was no outrage when X, Y and Z did it!" Aerows Dec 2014 #257

Well said. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #247

Matt Taibbi published a piece that speaks, obliquely, to your point: KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #255

This message was self-deleted by its author DMay Dec 2014 #118

R U Kidding Me DMay Dec 2014 #120

For those that missed Obama's more recent (12/9) statement on the issue you can find it here... PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #133

Nice try. He said we can't feel too sanctimonious in judging why the torturers tortured. morningfog Dec 2014 #134

Yeah but you know it was the police and military he was talking about Autumn Dec 2014 #141

Here are the folksy folks Oilwellian Dec 2014 #168

mealymouth bullshit elehhhhna Dec 2014 #143

It's clear as day that "we" means the USA treestar Dec 2014 #146

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #147

If you are trying to rationalize what the President said, you failed. He should have made rhett o rick Dec 2014 #150

There have been some powerful refutations of the OP, but this has to rank KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #261

Thank you. I hope this issue gets the attention it deserves. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #277

Another Thankyou and K&R. Reading comprehension classes LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #151

+1 sheshe2 Dec 2014 #162

Thanks. Apparently now we are supporters of torture LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #167

More dishonest nonsense. Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #172

I know,LawDeeDah sheshe2 Dec 2014 #193

Thank you treestar Dec 2014 #165

+1 Hekate Dec 2014 #216

they "comprehend" just fine.. they intentionally twist it to fit their culture of Cha Dec 2014 #233

Apparently Boosh also used the word 'folks'!!!! LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #234

OH NOES!!!!!11111 Not the same gd "folks" word! that's a Huge clue right there..Much Worse!!!!!! Cha Dec 2014 #237

Rec one thousand times mcar Dec 2014 #236

Thank you, thank you, thank you . . . brush Dec 2014 #298

I agree nt DawgHouse Dec 2014 #164

Agreed, of course the same suspects always attack the President BootinUp Dec 2014 #175

It's way beyond a "clue".. it's a big fuckin' Red Flag. Cha Dec 2014 #283

So name the people he has prosecuted for war crimes Aerows Dec 2014 #177

Thank you, Berni. "Many in the CIA objected, protested and left their jobs because of it. Cha Dec 2014 #178

Those are assertions, those statements you quoted. Demit Dec 2014 #218

trashing thread. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #182

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #187

"in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 we did some things that were wrong. " Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #190

"those folks" are fucking war criminals PowerToThePeople Dec 2014 #197

Got any evidence that people quit over this? alarimer Dec 2014 #205

or any effing quotes about it? praise, even? oh HELL no. elehhhhna Dec 2014 #221

It takes 5 minutes to look yourself berni_mccoy Dec 2014 #243

Only CIA Agent Jailed for Torture Program Is Whistleblower Who Confirmed Its Existence adirondacker Dec 2014 #258

It takes less than 5 minutes to read the story OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #287

It takes a used diaper salesman to twist this into a defense of people that didn't torture. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #209

Thank you, Berni. Some peope will take any opportunity to trash the truth... Hekate Dec 2014 #213

anyone with motherfucking reading comprehension can see elehhhhna Dec 2014 #217

Hahahahaha!!!! Yes. He is talking about the torturers who were just trying to keep Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #220

The ODS is just ooozing.. po'things. Proud to be a "fucking used piece of shit used car salesman" Cha Dec 2014 #230

Yes it's a Benghazi-palooza for the ODS afflicted. ucrdem Dec 2014 #238

All about Hate for Obama.. nothing about the actual torturers or the pols who made it Cha Dec 2014 #240

Yep. Any opportunity to get a kick in. ucrdem Dec 2014 #242

They don't even seem to be angry at Bush, Cheney or the torturers. treestar Dec 2014 #253

bush&Cheney skate while President Obama takes all the blame.. just like fox "news" Cha Dec 2014 #266

well, at least you won't have to worry about Udall much longer. uncle ray Dec 2014 #294

If by ODS you mean "Obama Deification Syndrome", then you're right. U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #274

+1. It's getting a bit creepy, honestly. Marr Dec 2014 #276

Oh you po'thing.. can't handle the President having supporters.. Cha Dec 2014 #278

Oh YOU po'thang..can't handle criticism. U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #279

You're wrong.. I can handle"criticism" no problem. But "fucking piece of shit used car salesman" and Cha Dec 2014 #280

You said poo.. almost. Here is a favorite mini movie of the Poosters: LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #321

Maybe I should join the POSS Club instead? I think I will pass. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #317

I see you joined the "time out" club...LOL!!! U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #349

Lol. I saw the 'proud to be pieces of shit' posts and laughed my ass off. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #310

Right? Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #313

Low self esteem problems comes to mind. Pity. n/t LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #315

Your little logo is perfect for this thread!! Number23 Dec 2014 #337

The 24 hour business cards are kind of unique too LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #338

Pretty strange.. wallowing in that Cha Dec 2014 #344

Agreed. ucrdem Dec 2014 #239

Kick & recommend. William769 Dec 2014 #244

of course he wasn't trying to minimize their crimes against humanity... mike_c Dec 2014 #245

This whole thread Aerows Dec 2014 #264

How do you stand up straight with that much spin.... truebrit71 Dec 2014 #265

If a Rethug said this, it would be torn apart on DU U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #272

A Rethug would not have already ended torture. That's the difference. ucrdem Dec 2014 #273

Nothing has changed about this place.. of course President Obama is getting all the hate piled on Cha Dec 2014 #275

A Republican would never have admitted it treestar Dec 2014 #302

Bookmarking for the small crowd of folks proud to call themselves pieces of shit Number23 Dec 2014 #286

LOL Cha Dec 2014 #289

Thread Win Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #303

Lol, you do know where that term came from and who it was used against don't you? berni_mccoy Dec 2014 #311

Maybe they all want to run for President? LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #319

Oh yeah, PAINFULLY aware of how that phrase originated around here. Number23 Dec 2014 #336

*gales of laughter -- I wonder which ones float. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #318

Neil Young providing the theme song at the convention: LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #320

Why would we need to not "feel too sanctimonious" if... Jappleseed Dec 2014 #288

Thread winner. Scuba Dec 2014 #297

Because being overly sanctimonious would lead to BootinUp Dec 2014 #299

Because there are shades of gray treestar Dec 2014 #301

Guess I'm a fucking piece of shit... truth2power Dec 2014 #293

No, you are not. They resort to that name calling and shaming to shut our mouth darkangel218 Dec 2014 #328

Some people will to anything to tarnish the President. baldguy Dec 2014 #295

I respect PBO. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #329

Someone didn't actually *READ* the OP. baldguy Dec 2014 #342

That's not at all how I read it. He called them patriots and excused their torture. Scuba Dec 2014 #296

more than 200 CIA employees who were involved in the torture program are today still employed at CIA bigtree Dec 2014 #316

this is a bullshit, kneejerk defense of Obama demeaning folks for comprehending English bigtree Dec 2014 #322

Thank you for the full quote, berni. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #323

and he/she should be against his/her will thrown into a pit itsrobert Dec 2014 #325

I have a problem with" but we tortured some folks" darkangel218 Dec 2014 #326

Where does he say "a lot of folks" means the ones that didn't torture? nt Logical Dec 2014 #330

He doesnt. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #331

"a lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots." darkangel218 Dec 2014 #332

+ 1000 nt Logical Dec 2014 #334

He doesn't and his comment would be illogical morningfog Dec 2014 #335

Bullshit joeybee12 Dec 2014 #339

+1000 darkangel218 Dec 2014 #340

It's a sad fricking day Aerows Dec 2014 #346

English is a complex language and imprecise. quaker bill Dec 2014 #348