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In reply to the discussion: I am noticing a lot of full-blown denial over Obama calling torturers "patriots" on DU. [View all]NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)When Obama described "a lot of folks" as being "patriots", he obviously left some people OUT of the mix - he said "a lot of", not "all".
So you either believe that the people "left out" are the torturers, or he included the torturers in the "patriots" group, and the people left out are - I don't know. The people in LE and nat'l security that didn't file reports on time? Maybe nat'l security people who had coworkers clock-in for them when they were late for work? Maybe the cops who stole their colleagues' lunches out of the communal kitchen down at the precinct?
Being possessed of common sense, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the man who ended torture within days of being installed as POTUS, the man who has just released the report on torture for all to see, the man who has - time and again - spoken out against torture, in all likelihood - out on this limb here - said "some" were patriots and not "all", because he was EXCLUDING THE GODDAMNED TORTURERS.
Just going on common sense here. And logic. And Obama's outspoken stance on the use of torture. And the fact that he never expressed anything remotely close to "torturers are patriots" other than (allegedly) this one brief shining moment in time.
But, hey - as so many keep trying to do here - let's just throw common sense, logic, previous and subsequent positions and behaviour out the window, and get on-board with this idea that all of that shit doesn't enter into the equation.
Obama called torturers "patriots" - and it doesn't have to make sense, right?