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TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
21. it says right in the article why the officer shot him
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:38 PM
Dec 2014

He didn't know he was disabled or that he was holding a spoon rather than a knife until after the fact. He had to make a split second decision when he saw a man charge at him with something shining in his hand. Who among us would not have assumed the same? It's so easy to point the finger of blame after the fact from the comfort and safety of your chair with information only gotten from hindsight. It wasn't you or me that was the one facing the person unknown to be disabled or carrying a spoon that charged at us with something shiny in his hand. Civilians with guns tend to make a lot more mistakes just like this and worse when faced with someone that broke into their home that charges at them with something shiny in their hand but they aren't so easily condemned with information gotten after the fact.

He broke into someone's garage. He charged at the officer. He charged at the officer wielding something shiny in his hand. The officer has no idea that he's disabled and no idea what was in his hand was a spoon and had every reason to believe some nut caught breaking into someone's home charging at him with something shiny in his hand was wielding a knife and intent on using it on him. Is he supposed to wait to get stabbed by the person in order to determine what the shiny thing in his hand was? Was he supposed to just let him attack him with or without a shiny thing in his hand? Disabled or not, shiny thing or not, what was the guy's intension in charging at the officer with a spoon? Cripes, any civilian this happened to would have assumed it was a knife and they were being charged at to be attacked, and if they had a gun would have shot at them, too.

You're just looking for excuses using information from hindsight after the fact to condemn a police officer for shooting a person unknown at the time as disabled that just broke into someone's garage and charged at them with something shiny in their hand that was believed reasonably to be a knife. Never mind how reasonable it was for this officer to believe they were being attacked by a knife wielding assailant that just broke into someone's property and that if it was you that it happened to would have made the same reasonable assumption and that if you had a gun on you very well may have shot at him, too. Though maybe you would have just run away hoping you wouldn't get overtaken by the person and killed. And as a civilian you have that option. A police officer never does. It wasn't you that had to go face whoever broke into this woman's garage or you that was faced with a person charging at them with something in their hand that appeared to be a knife and reasonably assumed to be a knife. How easy it is to play armchair quarterback in hindsight from the safety and comfort of your chair.

It's sad that this disabled spoon wielding guy was killed. But what that officer did was reasonable and correct and any civilian in their position with a gun would likely have done the same thing though a civilian has the option to run away whereas a police officer does not.

Just when is it that you're going to be signing up to do what they have to and *cough* show them all how it's done? *cough* That's right. When hell freezes and pigs fly.

I can see that a spoon might be mistaken for a knife in those circumstances. Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #1
I agree, given SamKnause Dec 2014 #4
Well said. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #25
Thank you. SamKnause Dec 2014 #28
Of course you can,he was black after all. morningfog Dec 2014 #7
I'm not the only one noticing a trend, thank god n/t Scootaloo Dec 2014 #27
But a white guy pointing a rifle at a cop isn't at all dangerous eridani Dec 2014 #18
It wasn't a knife! jen1980 Dec 2014 #31
The disdain for disabled people in the comments is alarming. Ilsa Dec 2014 #2
Why can't they fire a warning shot or use a taser first? Why always a kill shot? nt Quixote1818 Dec 2014 #3
Because warning shots are usually illegal and tasers don't have a 100% success rate Lurks Often Dec 2014 #5
I would add that the incident occurred in the garage of a private home in the middle of the night. branford Dec 2014 #9
thanks for some rational thought . . . it is lacking around here in these days of DrDan Dec 2014 #12
If more police departments were smarter Lurks Often Dec 2014 #16
agree - it is pretty easy to second-guess how someone should react DrDan Dec 2014 #17
warning shots aren't legal and they're crazy TorchTheWitch Dec 2014 #6
Odd that this doesn't happen too often in other developed countries eridani Dec 2014 #8
You analyzing with knowledge that the officer did not possess. branford Dec 2014 #10
True only if you believe the part about "came at him in an aggressive manner" eridani Dec 2014 #14
If a mentally disabled man was in a strangers garage in the middle of the night, branford Dec 2014 #15
How was he more dangerous than a white guy pointing a rifle at a cop? n/t eridani Dec 2014 #19
I don't really care, and that is certainly not the legal standard. branford Dec 2014 #20
I don't take it as a "fact" that the guy charged him. eridani Dec 2014 #23
I certainly have no objection to a thorough investigation to confirm the officer's account. branford Dec 2014 #29
happens quite a bit here shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #11
Lucky for you living in a country whose government bothers to keep track eridani Dec 2014 #13
it says right in the article why the officer shot him TorchTheWitch Dec 2014 #21
They always say the victim "charges at him" eridani Dec 2014 #22
Why do you always, without exception, believe the police account of the situation? nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #26
Can anyone actually visualize this scene? eridani Dec 2014 #24
Here's the thing Tsiyu Dec 2014 #30
The police need to be better trained on how to recognize and deal with the mentally ill Wella Dec 2014 #32
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