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In reply to the discussion: MH17 was the, "Wrong plane," says Ukrainian fighter pilot after shootdown. [View all]NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)111. This is why Robert Parry isn't a defense expert.
Finally, the New Straits Times and Parry both cite retired Lufthansa pilot Peter Haisenko, who has pointed to photographic evidence of MH17 wreckage suggesting that cockpit panels were raked with heavy machine gun fire from both the port and starboard sides. Nobody before Haisenko had noticed that the projectiles had ripped through the panel from both its left side and its right side. This is what rules out any ground-fired missile, Parry wrote.
That is exactly what is to be expected from a surface-to-air, radar guided, proximity fuse, blast fragmentation missile as fired by an SA-11, which detonates close by an aircraft and uses its shrapnel to cause rapid decompression and shred it apart, with the shrapnel damage in the cockpit area if it was leading the aircraft, and the exact opposite of what it is to be expected from an infrared homing air-to-air missile, which goes for a direct impact on the aircraft, specifically its engines, and blows it apart in the air.
What's even more ludicrous is suggesting that an Su-25 could even get into guns range with MH-17. The Su-25 couldn't even get into missile range, much less close enough to use its guns on it.
Complete bullshit.
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MH17 was the, "Wrong plane," says Ukrainian fighter pilot after shootdown. [View all]
another_liberal
Dec 2014
OP
It's all over the world press. Only the Corporate Media has stopped reporting on that
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#98
the rational view - Russia didn't ask for this & Putin has high approval in his country
WillYourVoteBCounted
Dec 2014
#163
The difference is.. RT is Putin's Propaganda Outlet and US Media is GOPropaganda. And, most of us
Cha
Dec 2014
#105
4 "investigating" Countries Agreed Not to Disclose Key Details in Downing of MH17
WillYourVoteBCounted
Dec 2014
#161
MH17 - 4 Countries Agreed Not to Disclose Key Details in Downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17
WillYourVoteBCounted
Dec 2014
#164
How many different explanations is this now? I lost count. Next thing we'll know Putin
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#5
"Consciousness of guilt," I think the term is. "Muddying the waters," also comes to mind.
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#7
Putin will need to wait until OJ is finished finding the real hackers for North Korea
Trekologer
Dec 2014
#15
A source that's been discredited more than Shrub needs an open minded approach?
hobbit709
Dec 2014
#19
"A witness, who chose to remain anonymous, told Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP) daily"
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#3
There are also conservative "media reports" and "studies" that show climate change is a hoax.
pampango
Dec 2014
#17
My point? "That is the way the game is played..RT story is not a surprise." "Some people tell lies."
pampango
Dec 2014
#41
I'll leave all that to a team of unbiased, neutral international experts to explore . . .
another_liberal
Dec 2014
#102
They already did, and found it was brought down by a surface to air missile.
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#104
Knowledge of how surface to air and air to air missiles work, and photographs of the wreckage.
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#123
"Chances are the rebels locked onto MH-17 while trying to lock onto the Su-25 and fired."
Adsos Letter
Dec 2014
#145
Two, 100-kg missiles are enough to drop the max ceiling by quite a bit, actually
NickB79
Dec 2014
#91
...or the untrained rebels accidentally locked onto MH-17 instead of the Su-25
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#130
Actually, Russia's attempt to make the shootdown look like an attempted assassination of Putin
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#53
The "haranguing" is over the complete technical implausibility of the story.
NuclearDem
Dec 2014
#78