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173. Well we shall see

Thu Dec 25, 2014, 12:18 PM

Dec 2014

It's ironic that DUers think that the U.S. was once a utopia founded by honorable men who suddenly ceded control and succumbed to the elite class post-FDR, despite the fact that in reality, this country was established by the "1%" of their day (pre-"Wall Street&quot - the wealthy corporate-affiliated white male landowning slave-holders.

That group begot generations of what would successively become the newest wealthy white male robber barons - the banking barons, train barons, mining barons, oil barons, media barons, and of late, back full circle to yet another generation of the banking robber barons of old.

I.e., this country was created by and has always been maintained for the benefit of the very people we rant against. To believe otherwise is naive. To effect what change one can to level the playing field is honorable, but never guarantees an outcome to be on equal-footing with the founders and their progeny, save an overthrow.

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What progressive bedrock principles are sacrosanct to President Obama? [View all] WillTwain Dec 2014 OP

announcers curse zipplewrath Dec 2014 #1

LOL RiverLover Dec 2014 #2

I think they have their eyes on everything already. WillTwain Dec 2014 #4

None. nt djean111 Dec 2014 #3

Medicaid. And taxes became more progressive under his watch geek tragedy Dec 2014 #5

The fact is WillTwain Dec 2014 #6

.... 840high Dec 2014 #7

Irrational to blame Obama for local/state geek tragedy Dec 2014 #13

Tuition costs stayed the same in Maryland. Is that Obama's fault too? FSogol Dec 2014 #14

They stayed the same, still too high for most. WillTwain Dec 2014 #23

we should blame gas prices on Obama as well while were at it...oh and the DOW n/t Sheepshank Dec 2014 #64

We should praise gas prices on him WillTwain Dec 2014 #67

I think you missed the point? Obama has nothing to do with gas prices either.. Sheepshank Dec 2014 #70

!! Number23 Dec 2014 #136

The DOW records almost entirely benefit the 1-10% and much of the income earned by those JDPriestly Dec 2014 #186

Irrational to not blame him WillTwain Dec 2014 #21

Obama did raise taxes on rich people. geek tragedy Dec 2014 #24

You seem to miss the whole idea WillTwain Dec 2014 #30

Yes but you are deranged... You suffer from ODS. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #43

This is going to be fun. You said nothing to dispute me. Don't like the message-shoot the messenge WillTwain Dec 2014 #46

That was sarcasm friend... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #49

Sorry comrade WillTwain Dec 2014 #50

No worries, I've been here 10 years in one incarnation or another SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #51

Help me along WillTwain Dec 2014 #52

That's how most of us feel.. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #55

No, your entire post is irrational. The tuition costs swipe was a dead giveaway. stevenleser Dec 2014 #77

Please read the whole thread grasshopper WillTwain Dec 2014 #85

Lots of "reactive" minds here. L0oniX Dec 2014 #181

If it's so "simple" why don't you get it. President Obama did raise taxes on the rich.. you didn't Cha Dec 2014 #147

Thankyou, Chai! marble falls Dec 2014 #154

Krugman: Why the One Percent Hates Obama - Their tax rates back to pre-Reagan levels pampango Dec 2014 #8

The chart shows tax increases on the poor and middle class, too. WillTwain Dec 2014 #10

The increase on the 1% is much more than any other group. In fact, pampango Dec 2014 #11

A one percent increase on the poor and the working poor (nearly half of all Americans) WillTwain Dec 2014 #12

And how are sales and property taxes the president's fault? nt geek tragedy Dec 2014 #18

This was answered already WillTwain Dec 2014 #25

Not in a rational manner. geek tragedy Dec 2014 #27

If you do not understand it then it is irrational - ok WillTwain Dec 2014 #29

No, geek T understands it. It's irrational. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #79

I would not support ANY tax increase on the poor and working poor. I DO support increasing taxes pampango Dec 2014 #22

I am with you entirely WillTwain Dec 2014 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Dec 2014 #66

Krugman had killed so many DU memes I'm surprised we're still allowed to post him here Number23 Dec 2014 #83

Krugman said Obama has not done nearly enough WillTwain Dec 2014 #89

My point is what I said it was. That Krugman has killed so many DU memes it's not even funny Number23 Dec 2014 #94

Take it down a notch WillTwain Dec 2014 #95

You take it down. Sorry your thread isn't going as well as you'd like Number23 Dec 2014 #96

Calm WillTwain Dec 2014 #101

Well if five recs out of over 1000 views is "going well" Number23 Dec 2014 #110

Hey Number 23... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #113

Hey GG77! I'm doing wonderfully, how are you?? Number23 Dec 2014 #116

I'm good Number 23, Happy Holidays to you as well... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #120

You cannot be reached, so stuck in bias. WillTwain Dec 2014 #114

I entered this really pointless and laughable thread because a poster posted a link to a Krugman Number23 Dec 2014 #117

I love when "brilliant" men like you are cornered WillTwain Dec 2014 #119

Number 23 isn't a man... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #122

!! Number23 Dec 2014 #123

Well it is the holidays.. giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #128

If you were truly gifted girl WillTwain Dec 2014 #125

Nah, you most certainly are not looking better with every comment oh sage one~ sheshe2 Dec 2014 #151

Finally. No more pseudofacts. Straight to the ad hominem, have you posted this on discussionist, marble falls Dec 2014 #155

it really is funny , reminds me of the behavior of republicans with how they use Benghazi JI7 Dec 2014 #124

Oh sage one WillTwain Dec 2014 #126

I know! And because everyone is laughing at his idiotic questions instead of wasting one nanosecond Number23 Dec 2014 #129

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #131

Winning! Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #134

Good evening J17, welcome to the party.... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #130

But he WON, GG! According to him, he won! Number23 Dec 2014 #132

Lolololololol, do you mean we could have just declared giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #135

6-1. A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2014 #142

And with that... this Colossally Epic Fail of a thread can now be put to rest Number23 Dec 2014 #144

Yes Ma'am indeed.... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #145

And the final insult? Number23 Dec 2014 #149

Now I know how a cat feels when you turn off... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #146

that was a ridiculous alert grasswire Dec 2014 #150

All part of the group plan to shut down opposing views on DU? L0oniX Dec 2014 #180

Barack Hussein Obama, a BLACK MAN with THAT NAME, is running for President? NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #185

"the end of the Bush tax cuts at the top end" hfojvt Dec 2014 #166

The top marginal rates were much higher under Reagan ozone_man Dec 2014 #187

To Quote Krugman WillTwain Dec 2014 #9

I think you take Krugman out of context. Krugman actually supports Obama's actions... Hekate Dec 2014 #163

Obama won arely staircase Dec 2014 #15

I voted for him both times WillTwain Dec 2014 #17

Somehow I doubt the veracity of this claim. Given your assertions here, it's ludicrous. Hekate Dec 2014 #164

With over two hundred views, so far nobody has listed a sacrosanct progressive policy WillTwain Dec 2014 #16

yadda yadda yadda nt arely staircase Dec 2014 #19

You are man of great wit and a linguistic savant. WillTwain Dec 2014 #42

it is calibrated for each occassion arely staircase Dec 2014 #58

Great posts and a link I will use today in another forum. Merry Christmas! marble falls Dec 2014 #156

yeah. it will.come in handy around here arely staircase Dec 2014 #157

You know the area? I was in Austin for years in 78704. Marble Falls is the conservative version of.. marble falls Dec 2014 #158

cool arely staircase Dec 2014 #189

Its gotten VERY expensive. My studio used to be upstairs where the the Grateful Shed .... marble falls Dec 2014 #190

You apparently don't consider Medicaid a progressive geek tragedy Dec 2014 #20

I have no idea where you got that from WillTwain Dec 2014 #28

And I replied that Medicaid was. nt geek tragedy Dec 2014 #56

Thank you WillTwain Dec 2014 #57

I believe what you meant was 200 views & nobody took your bait... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #33

So WillTwain Dec 2014 #34

Yep. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #81

There's no need. You haven't made a rational argument in the other direction. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #80

He's like a carney trying to get people on his ride... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #86

At least you can feel sorry for a carney. stevenleser Dec 2014 #91

We have a small band of grasshoppers WillTwain Dec 2014 #98

When the faithful people with ODS won't even jump giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #107

Once again giftergirl77 WillTwain Dec 2014 #108

No, see as I stated in my very first reply your silly ass little giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #112

You have no answer WillTwain Dec 2014 #115

His post-Presidential speaking fees? NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #31

You have won a cupie doll WillTwain Dec 2014 #32

He didn't run as a progressive. Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #35

He ran as a game changer and he's changed the game, bigtime. ucrdem Dec 2014 #37

Explain please WillTwain Dec 2014 #39

This is a great point WillTwain Dec 2014 #38

Not. RiverLover Dec 2014 #93

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #92

How about life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, peace on earth and good will to all? ucrdem Dec 2014 #36

After Cromnibus and the TPP WillTwain Dec 2014 #40

Neither is a core principle. Or remotely resembles a core principle. ucrdem Dec 2014 #41

If you do not see pension protection and Wall Street regulations you do not undertand the New Deal WillTwain Dec 2014 #44

Yes obnoxiousdrunk Dec 2014 #45

I can't think of a one he wouldn't put on the table. hifiguy Dec 2014 #47

So far only his post office speaking fees have been offered as sacrosanct WillTwain Dec 2014 #48

He hates America. JoePhilly Dec 2014 #53

With over 400 views nobody has offered anything sacrosanct to the president WillTwain Dec 2014 #54

No one thinks you have a point. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #82

Lack of rigid ideology and dogma jberryhill Dec 2014 #59

We finally have a brave DUer - Geek Tragedy WillTwain Dec 2014 #60

Well he's begun to tell the congress to kiss his ass tularetom Dec 2014 #61

Yes, he is trying to make a stand on social issues WillTwain Dec 2014 #62

He's refused to gut/repeal PPACA Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2014 #63

His first two years he had huge majorities WillTwain Dec 2014 #68

In all fairness, he had a lot of things to deal with Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2014 #73

He did get a fair amount done but missed a huge chance to do more WillTwain Dec 2014 #75

I don't remember it being that obvious Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2014 #109

He is a great guy in many ways WillTwain Dec 2014 #121

He never had a "huge" majority in the Senate markpkessinger Dec 2014 #102

Historically, 59 is a huge number WillTwain Dec 2014 #106

As a practical matter, however . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #111

You make very valid points WillTwain Dec 2014 #118

I don't believe there is any amount of competent "leadership" . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #133

You do know what the budget reconciliation process is, right? eomer Dec 2014 #153

The reconciliation process can't be used willy nilly BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #161

Who said anything about using it willy nilly? eomer Dec 2014 #162

No one said that it can't be done BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #169

Not sure what that means, but the point is that Republicans use these types of options eomer Dec 2014 #170

Statistically BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #171

I doubt that is how it will play out. eomer Dec 2014 #172

Well we shall see BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #173

Which DUers think that? eomer Dec 2014 #174

Do some homework.... sheshe2 Dec 2014 #152

Be sure not to vote for again.... Sheepshank Dec 2014 #65

Yes, I voted for him both times. WillTwain Dec 2014 #69

really? Sheepshank Dec 2014 #71

If he could run a third time WillTwain Dec 2014 #74

Uh-huh Hekate Dec 2014 #165

With over 700 views we have one, yes one, DUer willing to say the pres holds something sacrosanct WillTwain Dec 2014 #72

I love this thread... WiffenPoof Dec 2014 #76

Shameless WillTwain Dec 2014 #78

Still no one thinks you have a point. nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #84

Grasshopper look where you made your last comment WillTwain Dec 2014 #87

Pins dropping. L0oniX Dec 2014 #178

The best thing to do is not vote in 2016 if Hillary is the candidate, that will show them NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #88

There are others that hopefully will run. Sanders, Warren, Brown, O'Malley, Webb WillTwain Dec 2014 #90

Well ...we can't have people vote according to their conscience ...can we. L0oniX Dec 2014 #179

YOu bet, if your conscious tells you overturning Roe is a road worth going down to make your point NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #183

You mad bro? L0oniX Dec 2014 #184

2008 Obama: "No Welfare For Wall Street" populist rhetoric, utter BS RiverLover Dec 2014 #97

He says all the right things at all the right times. WillTwain Dec 2014 #99

Yes he was, & is, the Great Pretender. RiverLover Dec 2014 #100

I laughed aloud at your last comment WillTwain Dec 2014 #103

Peace RiverLover Dec 2014 #105

heh Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #160

...and that's just one of many stabbings in the backs of progressives / populists. L0oniX Dec 2014 #177

We are near 1000 views and only one brave DUer has sided with the president WillTwain Dec 2014 #104

Wow: Over 1200 views and one lonely defender of the president. What an indictment WillTwain Dec 2014 #127

His refusal aspirant Dec 2014 #167

The plutocracy exists way above the POTUS, he has zero power Rex Dec 2014 #137

Yet, billions are spent on Presidential elections--and that's not even counting time and energy. merrily Dec 2014 #139

Remember the Sherman anti-trust act? aspirant Dec 2014 #168

Nobody breaks up monopolies anymore, we should. Rex Dec 2014 #182

posted to for later 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #138

Do you even have to read any of the replies to your OP, or does just the screen name alone tell merrily Dec 2014 #140

I didn't vote for him as a Progressive.....I voted for him as a Democrat brooklynite Dec 2014 #141

since he himself disdains being called liberal or progressive, there is no Doctor_J Dec 2014 #143

Locked out of your own OP eh? Thou hast truly disrupted, poorly. Nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Dec 2014 #175

K&R Corporate bait and switch, planned. We need corporate money out of government. woo me with science Dec 2014 #159

The principle of bashing money in politics then taking in more money than any other candidate Township75 Dec 2014 #176

this site heaven05 Dec 2014 #188