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Igel

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12. It's mixed.

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:21 AM

Dec 2014

A lot of the mines are flooded. Some levels in some mines might be unsalvageable. Some of the mines were apparently intentionally sabotaged since they belong to Ukrainian oligarchs. A lot of the lesser-producing mines had been mothballed over the last decade as demand for coal fell.

Some mines are, indeed, up and running. The coal is used locally or shipped over the border into Russia.

At the same time, the LNR and DNR have export bans on coal to Ukraine (everything else, pretty much, too). It doesn't matter who owns the mines. But because of the export bans a number of thermoelectric stations are running low on supplies. That and other problems make supplying electricity difficult--beginning a day or two ago the rolling blackouts for the first time were allowed to hit the DNR and LNR and Crimea.

Immediately Russia tries to make nice. A purely humanitarian gesture, since it's Russian puppets that have created the mess, of course. And only made once the Crimea and the Russian puppets are affected.

And it's not offering electricity and coal for free. Just with no pre-payment and without having scheduled payments. They'll want payment. And it'll be interesting, since there's no negotiation over price or terms ahead of time.

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Russia's sends gift to Ukraine in honor of the New Year. [View all] another_liberal Dec 2014 OP

Nice of him to sell their own coal Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #1

If you are referring to the Donbas coal production . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #2

Rebels did a lot of the damage also Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #4

It's mixed. Igel Dec 2014 #12

Thanks, best I have seen Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #15

There are some good clarifications in your comments . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #19

I hadn't heard that. Got a link? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #7

Here Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #8

Bullshit Boreal Dec 2014 #10

you forgot the sarcasm thingie Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #11

... NuclearDem Dec 2014 #3

You have to give him/her credit. PragmaticLiberal Dec 2014 #5

Yes, that is a true statement Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #6

I've been thinking that very thought for months. PragmaticLiberal Dec 2014 #9

Are you accusing me of being a paid agent of a foreign government? another_liberal Dec 2014 #17

Nope Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #20

Good to hear . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author FBaggins Jan 2015 #38

It's like unintentional self-parody at this point. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2014 #13

Posts like this are the message board equivalent PoliticalPothead Dec 2014 #35

There is a war going on there RobertEarl Dec 2014 #14

Well said! another_liberal Dec 2014 #16

... SidDithers Dec 2014 #18

Sid, I don't think Another_Liberal is that into you. Maybe stop following him, it's creepy Scootaloo Dec 2014 #26

Could've fooled me. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #27

Well, fooling you isn't terribly difficult, from what I've seen. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #28

... NuclearDem Dec 2014 #29

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... NuclearDem Dec 2014 #31

I'm ending this. Play me off, Derpy Hooves! Scootaloo Dec 2014 #32

And with that, I bid you a hoof. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #33

Very generous treestar Dec 2014 #22

Meanwhile, we're sending Ukraine our surplus armored vehicles from Afghanistan. another_liberal Dec 2014 #23

That sounds pretty generous, too treestar Dec 2014 #24

"War means more!" another_liberal Dec 2014 #25

No I thought it might be good for Ukraine treestar Dec 2014 #36

Right, the Ukrainians should just allow Russia in AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #39

I wonder edhopper Dec 2014 #34

rt arely staircase Dec 2014 #37