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Scootaloo

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17. If "being a tool" is grounds for dismissal, we ought to just roll up DU and go home

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 09:43 AM

Dec 2014

Oh no, the CIA couldn't be behind the overthrow of a democracy in Iran.
Oh no, the CIA couldn't be behind the training of torture regimes around the world.
No, of course the CIA wasn't involved in Indonesia
Or Pakistan
or Iraq
or Chile
Or Cuba
Or Brazil
Or Argentina

...Shall I go on?

I really see no reason to give the CIA the benefit of any doubt.

This does not let Russia's intelligencia off the hook in the least, unlike in your fairytale jingoistic bullshit land where one must always be right all the time and the other always wrong all the time. It's as if you aren't able to conceive of two powerful nations both jerking around a lesser in order to squeeze advantage over the other.

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Oliver Stone agrees: The Maidan Square riots were just another CIA coup. [View all] another_liberal Dec 2014 OP

RT and Oliver Stone - a match made in heaven. Nt hack89 Dec 2014 #1

Maybe you'd like to suggest something else? n/t MattSh Dec 2014 #65

If you can't believe everything to come out of Hollywood, what can you believe? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #2

Well, it's not as if there's well-documented precedent or anything... Scootaloo Dec 2014 #4

And Oliver Stone has almost as long a history of being a tool. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #8

If "being a tool" is grounds for dismissal, we ought to just roll up DU and go home Scootaloo Dec 2014 #17

I nowhere implied the CIA had nothing to be held to account for. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #25

You kinda did, actually... Scootaloo Dec 2014 #69

And Putin has a history of manipulating nations against the will of their people, even violently so? MattSh Dec 2014 #66

you just won't quit, will you? hobbit709 Dec 2014 #3

If what I'm posting bothers you and perhaps even makes you think . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #5

My goal has been achieved too. hobbit709 Dec 2014 #7

Good for you . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #12

If someone ran an anti-Obama story from FR, they'd likely get tombstoned... brooklynite Dec 2014 #6

Are President Obama and the CIA one and the same now? another_liberal Dec 2014 #11

Last time I checked, the CIA was an Executive Branch agency... brooklynite Dec 2014 #16

Last I checked, the CIA was piping food up prisoner's asses and getting called "patriots" for it Scootaloo Dec 2014 #18

Last time I checked, those actions occurred during the Bush Administration... brooklynite Dec 2014 #23

excellent question nt grasswire Dec 2014 #56

And the crime goes unpunished, even commended, by President obama Scootaloo Dec 2014 #70

Well, it's better than most USA media... MattSh Dec 2014 #67

People protesting the reversal of a major foreign/economic policy. That must be a CIA plot. pampango Dec 2014 #9

It was what it was . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #10

"... this underhanded intervention in the internal affairs of another sovereign country." pampango Dec 2014 #14

Thank you Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #27

You clearly buy into that scenario . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #61

The CIA would never do such a thing! nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #13

Imagine a world without the CIA newfie11 Dec 2014 #15

We'd probably have world peace if the CIA and the Pentagon didn't exist. Initech Dec 2014 #64

Yep newfie11 Dec 2014 #68

Oliver Stone? Who are you kidding? Archae Dec 2014 #19

He says Hitler and Stalin are just misunderstood and the Jews are preventing an "honest discussion" Major Nikon Dec 2014 #26

Got a link for that? Octafish Dec 2014 #29

... NuclearDem Dec 2014 #32

It doesn't really say what Major Nikon said, though, does it? Octafish Dec 2014 #35

Yes it does, and you know it. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #37

No. I heard Oliver Stone address these questions in person. Octafish Dec 2014 #40

When someone starts ranting about "Jewish domination of the media?" Sure. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2014 #44

Like Chomsky? Octafish Dec 2014 #46

No, I don't. To his credit, he apologized for those remarks, very sincerely. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #47

Here's one of many Major Nikon Dec 2014 #33

Where does it say what you wrote? Octafish Dec 2014 #34

... Major Nikon Dec 2014 #36

It reminds me of the uproar over Hannah Arendt's observation about Hitler's henchmen. Octafish Dec 2014 #41

But it's okay this time because it fits a pre-selected narrative, you see. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2014 #45

... SidDithers Dec 2014 #20

+1 Tarheel_Dem Dec 2014 #48

Let me answer in emoticons edhopper Dec 2014 #21

And yet a_l edhopper Dec 2014 #22

How much do you imagine I'm getting paid to post here? another_liberal Dec 2014 #58

Good answer edhopper Dec 2014 #59

Who said I ignore anyone . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #60

I was not fooled malaise Dec 2014 #24

No, you never were . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #62

CIA -- Overthrowing democratically elected governments since 1947 nichomachus Dec 2014 #28

But it's not what Truman wanted. Octafish Dec 2014 #30

Oh Yeah. The Dulles Brothers flim-flammed Harry. nichomachus Dec 2014 #31

Stephen Kinzer has written a boffo bio on the brothers Dulles. Octafish Dec 2014 #38

Read it. It was like reading Russ Bakers book on the Bushes nichomachus Dec 2014 #49

That is the exact feeling. Octafish Dec 2014 #55

I love Stone's work as a filmmaker... NuclearDem Dec 2014 #39

Conspiracy nuts love Putin? I'm SHOCKED!!! Odin2005 Dec 2014 #42

Mere foreigners can never have any agency of their own. It's all the US. Oy. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2014 #43

And I'll bet these guys agree with Oliver Stone. You know..."birds of a feather" & all..... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2014 #50

Is that Steven Segal with Putin? zappaman Dec 2014 #52

It is indeed. He really hearts Putin, and I'm learning that Stone likes him a lot too. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2014 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2014 #51

Oliver Stone: "Obama, a wolf in sheep's clothing". Tarheel_Dem Dec 2014 #53

kick. Thanks for posting. +1 eom Purveyor Dec 2014 #57

Well, Oliver Stone, then that settles that. tammywammy Dec 2014 #63

Locking - please post in Creative Speculation Chemisse Dec 2014 #71