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MineralMan

(146,354 posts)
67. There is no youth vote as a major bloc.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 04:36 PM
Feb 2015

What there is, though, is a large pool of younger people who pretty much won't vote at all. Then, there's a pool of young Republican voters who do vote, a pool of Democratic voters that go and vote for Democrats, just like most other Democrats do. I know a bunch of great young people who are very active in Democratic politics in Minnesota. They're hard-working people who make a difference. They vote in every election and help with GOTV efforts. Some are just now taking leadership positions in the local organization, too. People like me are encouraging them to do just that, because the local Democratic organization is tired and ready to stop doing all of the work that is required.

There is another group of younger voters who might just go and vote if they really, really like a candidate, but only if that's the case. A bunch of them showed up at the polls in 2008 to vote for President Obama, but were nowhere to be seen in 2010 and 2014. They did show up in Minnesota in 2012, because there was anti-marriage equality amendment on the ballot, and it made a big difference in the outcome in 2012.

That group, though, is unreliable as voters. You can't count on them to show up at the polling place. I don't expect them to show up in 2016, either, at least in Minnesota, and at least in my districts. We have progressive state legislators and a wonderful house member in my area, and their votes aren't needed to re-elect those people. Unless there's someone cool on the ticket, they'll stay away from the polls, because it's too much fucking hassle for them to bother.

To that extent, then, their participation is candidate oriented. Hillary Clinton isn't going to get them to the polls, and I don't see anyone else lining up for the Democratic primaries. We'll manage to keep our progressive legislators in office where I am, and whoever the Democratic presidential candidate is will get a 60% majority in the districts I vote in. The rest of the voters - the ones who reliably show up - will vote as they always do, for Democrats. They are the true base of this party.

I know what would get that off and on group of voters to the polls in 2016. If Russell Brand could run for President, they'd be there in huge numbers. But, he's not eligible. Elizabeth Warren might get some of them out, but she's not running. Nobody else who has been mentioned will do it, either. Bernie Sanders? I don't think he'll be on the primary ballot here. If he does run, he'll be out of contention by Super Tuesday and won't be in our late primary or will clearly not be a real player by that time.

So, I don't expect the sometimes-voters to show up in 2016. They're not reliable. They are not the Democratic base. The Democratic base shows up and votes for Democrats. That's just how it is. Ask anyone who is involved in Democratic politics at the local level.

Completely agree and it is sad to see some many on DU promoting that bogus advice. n/t FSogol Feb 2015 #1
No loyalty oaths! I'm tired of settling! It's too early! 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #2
If the GOP wins in 2016, the SCOTUS will be a conservative body for a long long time Gothmog Feb 2015 #3
Yes it will. MineralMan Feb 2015 #25
I am living with the consequences of losing Section 5 of the VRA Gothmog Feb 2015 #61
Are you unable to get ID? MineralMan Feb 2015 #62
Yes-I ran the voter protection operation for my county Gothmog Feb 2015 #63
Sounds like you have your work cut out for you. MineralMan Feb 2015 #64
I will vote for a Democrat, but I will not vote for anyone that gave their integrity rhett o rick Feb 2015 #4
It's not coercion, it's reality. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #7
I don't want a Republicon in the WH so don't nominate HRC. She betrayed us rhett o rick Feb 2015 #38
If she is the nominee and you don't vote for her... Adrahil Feb 2015 #47
All i can do is vote in primaries, MineralMan Feb 2015 #27
+1 840high Feb 2015 #30
I have one vote in the MN Democratic primary. MineralMan Feb 2015 #37
I wouldn't think of telling you who to vote for. Just telling you and others that rhett o rick Feb 2015 #39
I was asking for your recommendation. MineralMan Feb 2015 #40
Anyone but those Democrats that bowed down to George Bush and rhett o rick Feb 2015 #44
I need someone specific. Who do you advise MineralMan Feb 2015 #48
Kick & highly recommended. William769 Feb 2015 #5
I encourage everyone to compare candidates and choose the best of the applicants Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #6
+100 "...the best choice in most cases will be easy, because the other side is intolerable." Sheepshank Feb 2015 #8
Well said sherbet..... get our differences out of the way in the primary and unite after that groundloop Feb 2015 #9
Same here DFW Feb 2015 #10
What you said, MineralMan! Times a MILLION! calimary Feb 2015 #11
The youth vote is always such a good example as to why this doesn't really work. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #22
Damn right it won't do it. 840high Feb 2015 #33
How come there's barely any support then for candidates supporting single-payer? Rush Holt and Chathamization Feb 2015 #49
Fair enough. calimary Feb 2015 #65
There is no youth vote as a major bloc. MineralMan Feb 2015 #67
Thanks! MineralMan Feb 2015 #28
You said it, buddy. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #12
You advocate voting for the lesser of 2 evils? Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2015 #13
The point of this post was????? nt Logical Feb 2015 #14
I think my point was clear. MineralMan Feb 2015 #29
No, not really. A lecture I assume. nt Logical Feb 2015 #42
No reason to assume anything. MineralMan Feb 2015 #43
OK, I will alert the media! nt Logical Feb 2015 #45
I already did. DU is the medium. MineralMan Feb 2015 #46
The same with all his OPs, to lecture DU. Rex Feb 2015 #34
So true! nt Logical Feb 2015 #41
lambs led by ... lambs? MisterP Feb 2015 #15
Totally agree workinclasszero Feb 2015 #16
You're the voice of reason... Hekate Feb 2015 #17
I hope so. Bring on the primaries. MineralMan Feb 2015 #36
I'm bummed that Hillary and money are winning. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #18
What advise have you seen here that said to withhold you vote? Ramses Feb 2015 #19
Too bad. Consider whatever you want from Democrats that the TeaPubliKlans aren't giving TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #20
A good question. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #23
Won't happen. Rex Feb 2015 #32
The place to argue about who should be the Democratic candidate for POTUS Half-Century Man Feb 2015 #21
"That is the day for unity" An interesting point. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #52
I'm with you. n/t ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #24
I concur Martin Eden Feb 2015 #26
I mentioned no candidate by name. MineralMan Feb 2015 #31
Yes, I know. Martin Eden Feb 2015 #35
I haven't seen any such advice, but I commend your independent spirit. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #50
A veritable festival of circular reasoning! Bonobo Feb 2015 #51
+1 JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #53
When did a Democrat ever oppose a crazy Supreme Court nominee? vt_native Feb 2015 #54
You've never heard of Robert Bork? YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #58
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #55
I'm in about 99.9999% agreement Jim Lane Feb 2015 #56
While you're all so focused on the presidential horse race, ALEC is writing "model" legislation... YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #57
Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #59
Well, now you've gone and done it! freshwest Feb 2015 #60
If you live in a state in which your vote might make a difference, go ahead and vote for the JDPriestly Feb 2015 #66
Do whatever you wish. I posted what I was going to do. MineralMan Feb 2015 #68
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