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68. The Patriot Act materialized from thin air and was signed by Dubya on Oct 26 2001

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 05:56 AM

Feb 2015

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

And then there's TARP, it got through Congress and was signed at warp speed too.

If the owners really want something it happens tout suite..

If the owners don't want something it goes to the circular file committee, six years later Holder is giving a 90 day window to investigate Banker malfeasance.

Priceless.

This is what Hillary's two hundred advisers are doing..

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Hillary has more than 200 economic advisors. Why doesn't Warren? [View all] MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 OP

That's because Hillary ate them all. bigwillq Feb 2015 #1

The real problem QuestionAlways Feb 2015 #44

You cannot serve two masters Fumesucker Feb 2015 #64

Are you seriously saying that a country like this has only ONE person who can run for office anymore sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #105

Funny how you are pointing out the exact problem. You make it clear that we really don't have a rhett o rick Feb 2015 #142

Or perhaps after killing Vince Foster, she had a few bullets left. 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #134

Jury results pintobean Feb 2015 #156

Thanks for the heads up. And though it shouldn't need ... 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #158

The status quo is not sustainable. TDale313 Feb 2015 #2

! DeSwiss Feb 2015 #62

We need to tear the roof off the sucker!!! NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #3

Amen.... daleanime Feb 2015 #14

Wall Street Pays Bankers to Work in Government and It Doesn't Want Anyone to Know Octafish Feb 2015 #92

It's time for CHANGE, and not Obama change, but real change. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #140

Tear it down to the studs. Fresh wallpaper won't get the job done. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #4

Tsk, tsk Manny. That's our next GREAT president or our great next president. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #13

since clinton is not a declared candidate she has no obligation to say what fineman wants to hear. msongs Feb 2015 #5

Was that suggested? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #11

then if she is not a declared candidate DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #46

Bingo. I for one am glad top hear she is not going to run. Let the search for a populist candidate Vincardog Feb 2015 #131

It was a good episode of On Point I listen to it today as well... Agschmid Feb 2015 #6

Tom seemed particularly full of spark MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #10

My first reaction, upon hearing she has 200 economic advisors, is that SheilaT Feb 2015 #7

I figured she was basically paying them off MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #9

I just assumed they were also her donors from Wall Street. zeemike Feb 2015 #16

All I can think is, Why bother? SheilaT Feb 2015 #31

My guess is that we're supposed to think she's consulted a wide array winter is coming Feb 2015 #19

She is flattering and wooing them, not listening to them. Each of them is thinking he or she JDPriestly Feb 2015 #33

So she is good at pandering. So she will say anything to get elected. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #73

Does that mean I can have your ticket to the coronation ceremony? I need extras. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #79

Sure, knock yourself out. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #82

Thanks! (I'm scalpin' em to raise $ for Ready for Elizabeth.) InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #83

+1000 Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #84

I assume... sendero Feb 2015 #74

Perhaps she is using an academic approach to problem solving ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #106

Hmm. That does sound quite rational and reasonable, SheilaT Feb 2015 #108

Cornering the market in economic advisors? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #111

I do appreciate your injecting a note of sanity SheilaT Feb 2015 #125

Sometimes ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #127

Burn the Third Way House Down Joe Turner Feb 2015 #8

And if a con prez appoints a SC justice who overturns Roe, why do I care, I am not a Woman randys1 Feb 2015 #101

What makes the DLC'ers think that Mrs. Clinton will be able to deliver? I see very little drop-off Ed Suspicious Feb 2015 #12

Warren isn't running for President. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #15

So you say. Exactly what she said. She in no way closed the door on running for president. Ed Suspicious Feb 2015 #17

“Hope springs eternal in the human breast; Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #21

Her words to the question "Will you run for president?" "I AM not running for president." Ed Suspicious Feb 2015 #23

I agree, she is not running in 2016. She is a dman good Senator. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #47

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #109

Her ideas are. Whether or not there's any candidate at the debates winter is coming Feb 2015 #20

Not yet. But if the support for her continues to build, she may. I could say even, will. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #35

Elizabeth will run, Hillary can "bank" on it. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #80

you know what would be funny DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #50

What a concept! We could elect a president that actually has some expertise Vattel Feb 2015 #18

Why bother when poll-testing can instruct Hillary what triangulated positions to take. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #81

If it's Clinton vs. Bush... SoapBox Feb 2015 #22

There is one way out for their shared financial backers, a way past gridlock that will help Dragonfli Feb 2015 #26

If it's Clinton vs any Republican she will probably lose. SheilaT Feb 2015 #37

"They absolutely do not get how very hated she is outside a relatively small circle of Democrats." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #57

You are distorting what I said. I honestly have no idea what her child care arrangements were. SheilaT Feb 2015 #71

"Is that why she handily defeats all her Democratic challengers..." Carolina Feb 2015 #97

Stop moving the goalposts. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #99

You really don't get It Carolina Feb 2015 #168

I never said she was inevitable but thank you for your opinion... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #169

Yes, dems will say 'yes' to a dem, no matter how much they oppose that Dems policies if the choice sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #110

The poster said DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #112

You seem to think that chart helps your argument LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #115

Did you also consider the republican line? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #117

Does the Republican line matter? LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #119

Did Londonreign consider Barack Obama was reelected in 2012 while losing the independent vote... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #123

I don't have an argument in this instance DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #118

This is the key nugget. Ed Suspicious Feb 2015 #114

But that is not what the polling shows ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #116

She fares well with Republicans? Well, she worked hard enough to get their approval on sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #129

That's not what I said ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #130

OTOH, if she did run as Republican, they'd have a candidate who can speak winter is coming Feb 2015 #133

Not only that ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #113

LOL, it is early. And remember 2008 when she had a 30 point lead? nt Logical Feb 2015 #141

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #143

I would take him for four more years! nt Logical Feb 2015 #144

"If it's Clinton vs. Bush.... She will lose." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #49

I have no idea who would come out on top in that match-up. winter is coming Feb 2015 #53

Ha! rosesaylavee Feb 2015 #24

But is 200 enough? moondust Feb 2015 #25

Normally, no MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #28

Kings!!!! moondust Feb 2015 #30

Not if you stack them vertically. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #29

Yes, yes. A footbridge! moondust Feb 2015 #95

Ugh. Seriously? As an outsider, because babylonsister Feb 2015 #27

Lol~ sheshe2 Feb 2015 #43

Oh, Manny. littlemissmartypants Feb 2015 #32

Hillary has more than 200 economic advisors. Why doesn't Warren? aftab267 Feb 2015 #34

We just need someone who listens to Krugman, DeLong, Piketty, etc... fbc Feb 2015 #36

because they're her students? unblock Feb 2015 #38

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #39

First read I saw ... littlemissmartypants Feb 2015 #42

HA! DeSwiss Feb 2015 #58

They seem to like to pile on new members too Ramses Feb 2015 #52

It's a tough initiation process..... DeSwiss Feb 2015 #59

No, you're just someone who made a ridiculous attempt to smear her. zappaman Feb 2015 #120

Yep, MattSh Feb 2015 #60

Channeling and paraphrasing Barry Goldwater: DeSwiss Feb 2015 #61

Funny. Everyone protests that they're not a hater, then something like this turns up.... Moonwalk Feb 2015 #40

Mockery runs in both directions... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #66

It was the "We came, we saw, he died" incident that convinced me Maedhros Feb 2015 #104

OK. America . . . Jack Rabbit Feb 2015 #41

We need more birds to littlemissmartypants Feb 2015 #45

I think that this is a great thing Manny. joshcryer Feb 2015 #48

I will be polite but DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #54

Nah. joshcryer Feb 2015 #65

Ok I'll play DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #96

Good comment, thank you! I just asked a Hillary supporter where she stands on SS. I KNOW sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #107

I don't think it's that black and white. joshcryer Feb 2015 #146

The Patriot Act materialized from thin air and was signed by Dubya on Oct 26 2001 Fumesucker Feb 2015 #68

Elizabeth Warren oversaw TARP. joshcryer Feb 2015 #86

Drats ... Thems fact again! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #122

"A centrist left leaning person, a totally and completely bureaucrat type" TBF Feb 2015 #94

Uh, yes? joshcryer Feb 2015 #124

Observe it sure, TBF Feb 2015 #132

On a Dem discussion board! joshcryer Feb 2015 #136

On any discussion board I'd be surprised TBF Feb 2015 #137

The world is not so black and white. joshcryer Feb 2015 #145

Self-aggrandizing wouldn't be the word I'd use TBF Feb 2015 #147

You bashed my ideology. joshcryer Feb 2015 #148

Expressing confusion is not "bashing" - TBF Feb 2015 #149

I'm hardly "ready for Hillary." joshcryer Feb 2015 #161

I don't matter at all - TBF Feb 2015 #162

We're unlikely to do better. joshcryer Feb 2015 #163

Why somebody would need 200 economic advisors. hay rick Feb 2015 #51

So they could say they consulted 200 economic advisors (not 199 or 201??). winter is coming Feb 2015 #56

She met with one of them in December, I understand. MADem Feb 2015 #55

Ready for WARREN. snot Feb 2015 #63

If three of them were Krugman,Reich and Piketty-- eridani Feb 2015 #67

The chances of that run from zip to nil Fumesucker Feb 2015 #69

One was Reich. A 5 page memo. RiverLover Feb 2015 #70

I would. Talking to people isn't the same thing as listening to them. winter is coming Feb 2015 #75

I'ma have me a listen later. Thanks TWM. Scuba Feb 2015 #72

because Warren is an expert in the field and Hillary is not? notadmblnd Feb 2015 #76

Ready for any non-DLC3rdWayNewDemNeoLiberal Democrat. nt LWolf Feb 2015 #77

Anyone who supported Reaganomics for 20 years could use some economic advisors but that enduring Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #78

Hmmmm DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #90

Silly me. I thought you would post an apology for MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #91

Because Warren isn't considering running for president?? boston bean Feb 2015 #85

We seem to have a very clear choice between business as usual... Orsino Feb 2015 #87

This debate strikes me as mostly academic, since Republicans currently KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #88

The veto can be important.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #98

Goldman Sachs 2016 L0oniX Feb 2015 #89

The Democratic ticket in 2016......wait for it......H.Clinton/Goldman-Sachs. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #138

There is a huge difference between the two women. Autumn Feb 2015 #93

Because Warren IS an economic adviser. backscatter712 Feb 2015 #100

She's a law professor, not an economist. winter is coming Feb 2015 #135

Because when you are focused narrowly ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #102

Both women have individual strengths. Warren was/is an Educator. Hillary has libdem4life Feb 2015 #103

This ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #126

We could probably count on one hand the "advisors" Jeb has or will avail himself of... libdem4life Feb 2015 #128

I think Warren IS an advisor fadedrose Feb 2015 #121

It basically breaks down as to whether we want to fight for our Democracy or go with rhett o rick Feb 2015 #139

What utter nonsense Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #150

It's the same tiresome blend Jeff Rosenzweig Feb 2015 #154

Strawman architect, extraordinaire. Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #159

Interesting that HRC supporters only have loaded questions. No statements, just questions. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #160

"HRC supporters"? I'll just add an addendum to my response #154 above Jeff Rosenzweig Feb 2015 #164

I guess I misunderstood your very "clever" post. Then prey tell me what rhett o rick Feb 2015 #165

Interesting that you laugh at my statements and mock, but really have nothing to rhett o rick Feb 2015 #155

Again.. Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #157

Common sense doesn't take a bunch of people making stuff up? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #151

level the building including the foundation, then obxhead Feb 2015 #152

She doesn't need them? KamaAina Feb 2015 #153

Hillary has more than 1,000,000 supporters. Why doesn't Warren? brooklynite Feb 2015 #166

I prefer to tear the roof off the sucker, tweaking hasn't really gotten us anywhere nc4bo Feb 2015 #167