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SheilaT

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26. Here's the real problem, that the Hillary supporters are blind to:

Sun Feb 22, 2015, 12:22 AM

Feb 2015

There is a genuine hatred of her outside of the Democratic Party that they don't understand. Additionally, there is NOT a pent-up longing to elect a woman President out there in the larger world. I'm not sure that even exists inside the Democratic Party.

Keep in mind that the vast majority of women (and blacks, and GLBT) who vote Republican, are doing so against their own self interest, but they absolutely don't understand that they are voting against their own self interest. They think they're upholding certain traditional values, which includes women not doing anything outside the home. For many traditional Republicans, and most especially for the religious conservatives among them, the notion that a women occupy the public sphere is complete anathema. And NOTHING we can do as Democrats can make them see otherwise. NOTHING.

If most people voted rationally and for their self-interest, we'd have had a super Democratic majority ever since 1932. Why do you think that's not been the case?

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Hillary supporters. How come the "disaffected Republican women" didn't elect Grimes, Davis and Nunn? [View all] betterdemsonly Feb 2015 OP

$$$$$$ JaneyVee Feb 2015 #1

That is exactly what I was going to say. Evergreen Emerald Feb 2015 #2

98% of candidates with most $$$ won 2014, plus... JaneyVee Feb 2015 #6

Not particularly a Hillary supporter. But there have been plenty of females in Congress/Guvs whatthehey Feb 2015 #3

Sounds like we are answering some question that I did not ask. n/t betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #5

So you weren't implying that Hillary couldn't do better than them after all? whatthehey Feb 2015 #18

Because those states are as red as they come, in case you were not aware. Why do you believe there still_one Feb 2015 #4

I don't believe many republcan women will vote democratic betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #8

I must have missed something. Is she running for something? onehandle Feb 2015 #7

So you are going to win the tepid support of women who also care about ows issues. betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #11

Warren certainly didn't "appeal to women" who could have elected Grimes. It's KY ferchrissakes. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #96

Hell my DEEP blue state didn't elect a Democratic governor this year, riddle me that. Agschmid Feb 2015 #9

Aaah~ sheshe2 Feb 2015 #30

Yup... Agschmid Feb 2015 #31

I was confused the day after Coakley won the primary, not the day after the election. merrily Feb 2015 #53

5 of MA's past 6 governors have been R's Recursion Feb 2015 #100

Clinton doesn't attract anyone who is disaffected. She alienates nearly everyone disaffected. (nt) w4rma Feb 2015 #10

Not sure that is true; Hillary does attract Wall Streeters disaffected by policies advocated by Elizabeth Warren. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #19

lol n/t betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #21

Perhaps starting with 36% voting turnout. It is pathetic to see non voters, WTH are they thinking? Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #12

I don't consider myself a "Hillary supporter" but they lost due to crappy campaigns and states. herding cats Feb 2015 #13

If appealing to those voters causes bad campaigns that why is Hillary doing it? n/t betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #14

That's your opinion. herding cats Feb 2015 #16

What a sexist remark!!!! You're saying "Oh well--one woman is as good as the next!" MADem Feb 2015 #15

strawman. Specifying that these women are all centrist and neoliberal is hardly arguing that these betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #17

Strawman, my left foot~! You are comparing three relatively new politicians to a highly MADem Feb 2015 #22

No they are not all interchangable. Liz is better than all four of em n/t betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #39

OK Kanye... LuvLoogie Feb 2015 #107

That is insane by the way. Your trashcanned. betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #41

I characterized your comments, you respond by characterizing me as "paranoid." There's nothing MADem Feb 2015 #46

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #48

Look who's talking. nt MADem Feb 2015 #50

some serious faulty logic going on here. hillary and winning over disaffected republican women has msongs Feb 2015 #20

+1,000! nt MADem Feb 2015 #23

I don't think Hillary will win Kentucky, Texas, or Georgia. Nor would any other Dem. DanTex Feb 2015 #24

Not lately anyway... Agschmid Feb 2015 #33

The truth is that those candidates generally got fewer women votes than the Republicans. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #25

Here's the real problem, that the Hillary supporters are blind to: SheilaT Feb 2015 #26

So those people who viscerally hate Hillary Clinton, will vote for a Socialist like Bernie Sanders? brooklynite Feb 2015 #28

No but many dissaffected liberals will particularly in Western States. betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #35

I am not about to predict who anyone else will vote for. SheilaT Feb 2015 #86

And yet she's leading every Republican in head-to-head polling. DanTex Feb 2015 #32

Only through name recognition and because they don't pay attention to her views n/t betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #36

Not so sure it can be written off so easily. DanTex Feb 2015 #40

How is this not following the same pattern of 2008 only with no opposition? betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #45

Not sure what you mean, but 2008 turned out pretty well. DanTex Feb 2015 #52

It didn't turn out well for Hillary betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #54

It turned out well for Dems, is my point. Maybe she'll lose to another Obama this time around, DanTex Feb 2015 #55

She is forced on Democrats if she is the only candidate allowed to run in the Democratic primary n/t betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #57

Of course other candidates will be allowed to run. Who has ever suggested otherwise? DanTex Feb 2015 #59

You act as if the donors and the establishment can't discourage other candidates. betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #61

See the support for Warren? Agschmid Feb 2015 #68

I agree they have a moral responsibility betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #74

I don't buy it. Agschmid Feb 2015 #75

So what do you think their motivation is? n/t betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #77

Their motivation *not* to run? Agschmid Feb 2015 #78

yes? n/t betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #80

You said "allowed". Anyone can encourage or discourage anyone. That's also allowed. DanTex Feb 2015 #69

No one. Ever. Agschmid Feb 2015 #66

Anyone can run... Agschmid Feb 2015 #65

It's too early. That's why people are not announcing yet. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #109

No. Everyone does not already know who Hillary is. SheilaT Feb 2015 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #43

Name recognition, pure and simple. SheilaT Feb 2015 #87

Well, the people who hate her certainly recognize her name. And yet, she's still leading. DanTex Feb 2015 #88

Did you notice her popularity drops when she is out talking (recent book tour, for example) peacebird Feb 2015 #102

That's very common. And even with the dips, she still leads the polls. DanTex Feb 2015 #104

Her "centrist" positions may be popular with non Dems, but her last name is not peacebird Feb 2015 #105

Republicans hate all Dems, not just Hillary. But independents don't. DanTex Feb 2015 #106

Perhaps , because they're in Tennessee, Georgia and Texas... brooklynite Feb 2015 #27

Then why run a neoliberal betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #38

people who want to run decide to run and voters vote for them JI7 Feb 2015 #60

Are you not bothered that corrupt donors are discouraging good candidates? betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #62

people who don't post on DU are allowed to vote also JI7 Feb 2015 #63

LOL. DanTex Feb 2015 #84

Then why aren't they running? Agschmid Feb 2015 #70

They're intimidated by threats from leaders donors and lobbyists. n/t betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #73

Threats of what? Agschmid Feb 2015 #76

Their not going to allow her on a committee or support her next campaign etc... betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #79

If she cares about that then she is just as "bad" as the others. Agschmid Feb 2015 #81

If she can be intimidated that easily, WTF would anyone want her for POTUS? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #97

Or maybe, just maybe, Beyon... er uh, Liz LuvLoogie Feb 2015 #108

Ohio? Michigan? Wisconsin? brooklynite Feb 2015 #110

Texas, Georgia and Kentucky. RandySF Feb 2015 #29

Those women all live in Red states. Hillary will be elected in a purple country. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #34

We'll see, purple WI didn't have much interest in Mary Burke HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #103

They did elect Gwen Graham Recursion Feb 2015 #37

Please edit Aerows Feb 2015 #42

i think he was talking about Bob Graham's Daughter JI7 Feb 2015 #47

I agree. Lots of reasons to attack Graham. His orientation and/or identity is not one of them. merrily Feb 2015 #49

it's not about lindsey graham, it's about Bob Graham's daughter JI7 Feb 2015 #58

Edited; I was talking about the conservative female Democrat Gwen Graham (FL-2) (nt) Recursion Feb 2015 #72

Sorry, didn't realize people would think I was talking about the Repubican Senator Recursion Feb 2015 #71

No need to apologize Aerows Feb 2015 #85

Would a rightist woman who does not believe in abortion vote for a center rightist woman who does? merrily Feb 2015 #44

That is a good point betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #51

I think people vote a lot along party lines, unless someone or something has energized them mightiy. merrily Feb 2015 #56

They did for Landrieu for years and years Recursion Feb 2015 #83

I can't find exit polls regarding that JonLP24 Feb 2015 #92

things changed after Obama became President, some of the racists who use to vote for her JI7 Feb 2015 #99

Landrieu is a different state and a different election. merrily Feb 2015 #113

Nunn didn't get elected because this is GEORGIA! napi21 Feb 2015 #64

So what is the point of running dem to appeal to those voters betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #67

In Ga. I think they keep trying because lots of people are moving here, napi21 Feb 2015 #93

Were they dameocrats?... SidDithers Feb 2015 #82

!!! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #98

Very small number of people would vote based on gender davidn3600 Feb 2015 #89

Allison Grimes received 40% of the vote from Independents JonLP24 Feb 2015 #91

Wendy Davis had LOSER written all over her bluestateguy Feb 2015 #94

Democrats depending on Republicans for extra votes? AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #95

has there been a competition on DU to see who can come up with the dumbest anti-Hillary posts? wyldwolf Feb 2015 #101

Apparently so.......... Beacool Feb 2015 #111

What a ridiculous OP. zappaman Feb 2015 #112