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zipplewrath

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30. Where's the democratic brand?
Tue May 1, 2012, 11:19 AM
May 2012

Contrast and compare his positions on Bush's by the end of his presidency:

SOFA: Obama kept on Gates and Patreaus et. al. to execute the SOFA without any modifications.

Afghanistan: Obama tripled the number of troops, ultimately put Patreaus in charge, and has chosen to actually increase our commitment to a seriously corrupt administration in country.

Pakistan: Has increase drone attacks, as well as other attacks inside the country, frequently without the cooperation or approval of the Pakistani government at any level.

N. Korea: Has continued to execute the exact same policy of relying up China and offering assistance to Korea in exchange for restrictions on their programs.

Basically, you can pick almost any foreign policy, or military actions that Obama is doing and you'll find precious little difference from Bush. Even where you do find them, it is a matter of degree. It's not a different style, it is that Obama is actually successful. OBL is a great example.

The largest difference one might claim is on Iran. But FUNCTIONALLy the difference hasn't been that great. Bush resisted, despite the rhetoric, actually taking military action. He also restrained Israel from taking action either. Again, Obama has continued this, and one can make the case that he has been MORE successful in gaining the cooperation of the international a community, but that is making the case that he is doing it the same, just more successfully.

Basically, you're trying to make the case that core GOP foreign and military policies have been basically "correct" and they were just really bad at executing them. They had a disastrous detour into nation building which they ultimately abandoned by Bush's second term, and other than that they were just bad at executing "good" policy.

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They left the door wide open with their ineptitude BeyondGeography Apr 2012 #1
Getting Rush off of Armed Forces Radio will be a huge deal. Initech Apr 2012 #3
Will be? Is this in the works?? (Oh please oh please...) [nt] Jester Messiah Apr 2012 #6
We'll definitely see it if Obama is reelected. Initech Apr 2012 #20
Rush-Clear Channel-Bain Capital-Mittens Thor_MN Apr 2012 #25
In all fairness to the Bush Admin......I don't think they were trying to get Osama. yourout Apr 2012 #2
Exactly. And that should make people distrust the gop even more. jwirr Apr 2012 #8
Bingo! canuckledragger Apr 2012 #10
do we NEED to be fair to that regime? leftyohiolib Apr 2012 #15
They certainly ProSense Apr 2012 #24
Obama hits "Below the belt" by mentioning he killed Bin Laden.... AlbertCat May 2012 #28
K&R CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2012 #4
Excellent piece. Thanks for posting. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2012 #5
They've failed to unite Americans against a foreign enemy, so they'll double down on Americans. freshwest Apr 2012 #7
He took all their talking points away BumRushDaShow Apr 2012 #9
Exactly...historically speaking, the gop has used their... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2012 #23
Also in Health Care and the economy - he just answered their bullet points cbdo2007 May 2012 #27
If W had killed Osama, there would be a ticker tape parade librechik Apr 2012 #11
absolutely correct. good point on "mission (not) accomplished". tomp May 2012 #26
Great stuff indeed! k&r Little Star Apr 2012 #12
The problem is... zipplewrath Apr 2012 #13
It's also about priorities- what Democrats prioritize and Republicans prioritize Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2012 #17
"Not as bad" zipplewrath Apr 2012 #19
They can only be "not as bad" Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2012 #22
Where's the democratic brand? zipplewrath May 2012 #30
The President has spent three years governing. Orsino Apr 2012 #14
The GOP has spent those 3 years Jamaal510 Apr 2012 #16
The GOP Iliyah Apr 2012 #18
Not to even mention the taking out of the Pirates around Somalia Bandit Apr 2012 #21
Schadenfreude is sweet peace frog May 2012 #29
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