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In reply to the discussion: I think I'm doing a re-think on Hillary...This "pile-on" of her is so ridiculous and just seems [View all]wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)23. Actually the pattern is this...
People create trumped up "scandals" then whine about them incessantly. Even when MILLIONS are spent to investigate and prosecute them, the most we get is a blow job. But because people are tired of the incessant whining from the right (and the left) they give in like they do to crying babies. ANYTHING to shut the babies up. But after a little while they realize giving in to the whiners only empowers them.
The Clinton years were different, not because Republicans despised that Democratic president any less, but because of what they thought his particular sins were. They knew in their hearts that Bill Clinton was venal and duplicitous, and if you scratched any surface you'd find the corruption lurking within. But they didn't think he was betraying America, just that he was doing everything from running drugs to having his political enemies killed. There was no matter too trivial or ridiculous for them to investigate; it may have reached the height of absurdity when the Republican Congress heard 140 hours of testimony on whether the Clintons had misused the White House Christmas card list. And when he made for himself an actual sex scandal, all the resentments of the 1960s culture wars came gushing out, and at the end of it they were disgusted with a public that didn't share their moral condemnation.
By the time Clinton's administration was over, he did something that incensed Republicans more than all his previous sins put together: he got away with all of it, and in style. Impeachment failed, and the last Gallup poll of his term pegged his approval at a stunning 66 percent.
Barack Obama won't ever again get approval ratings that high, because of how polarization has intensified since then. But his term may well wind down without any of the mini or fake scandals of his presidency taking much of a toll. Should that happen, Republicans will insist that if they only had more time, and if only the media had paid more attention, and if only the public had its head screwed on right, then everything would have been different. But by then they'll be focused on Hillary Clinton, convinced that any day now they'll discover the scandal that will bring her down.
By the time Clinton's administration was over, he did something that incensed Republicans more than all his previous sins put together: he got away with all of it, and in style. Impeachment failed, and the last Gallup poll of his term pegged his approval at a stunning 66 percent.
Barack Obama won't ever again get approval ratings that high, because of how polarization has intensified since then. But his term may well wind down without any of the mini or fake scandals of his presidency taking much of a toll. Should that happen, Republicans will insist that if they only had more time, and if only the media had paid more attention, and if only the public had its head screwed on right, then everything would have been different. But by then they'll be focused on Hillary Clinton, convinced that any day now they'll discover the scandal that will bring her down.
http://theweek.com/articles/542494/what-hillary-clintons-emails-tell-about-scandal-age-obama
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I think I'm doing a re-think on Hillary...This "pile-on" of her is so ridiculous and just seems [View all]
monmouth4
Mar 2015
OP
I do give her credit for emphasizing the importance of Asia to our interests.
TwilightGardener
Mar 2015
#10
She's not perfect, and we can go back and forth on the pros and cons, but you asked
BlueCaliDem
Mar 2015
#12
The double-edged sword with her is, people who admire her do so because of who
TwilightGardener
Mar 2015
#15
" If her image of Towering Clinton Might and Inevitability starts to crumble, what's left?"
BlueCaliDem
Mar 2015
#19
The Clintons have been in the public eye long enough for me to reasonably
TwilightGardener
Mar 2015
#41
Jeb Bush is another Hillary Clinton. Not a very distinguished governor
TwilightGardener
Mar 2015
#44
I guess "wonderful" was a bit of exaggeration and I don't recall her having any lasting
monmouth4
Mar 2015
#9
she was implementing the poliocy of her boss, obama. she is not the one to criticize for policy nt
msongs
Mar 2015
#17
I think that in the general most people will vote for Clinton in the general election.
el_bryanto
Mar 2015
#3
Don't like her much and didn't think she did anything significant as Sen or SecState….BUT...
blm
Mar 2015
#4
While she is no where near as progressive as I would like, she is still a damn sight better
OregonBlue
Mar 2015
#5
It's totally safe to support someone who is not going to run. They can never disappoint you.
Hekate
Mar 2015
#46
There is a huge difference between Republiconism and Conservativism. The sexist Republicans
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#38
Well, looks like this story will last for months, so I guess you will be a hard core supporter by
dissentient
Mar 2015
#13
It only looks that way because there isn't something newer and shinier to ponder
HereSince1628
Mar 2015
#14
She capitulated to Republicons. She is partially responsible for the deaths of thousands.
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#22
Has Elizabeth Warren called for the immediate withdrawl of our trips from Iraq/Afghanistan?
brooklynite
Mar 2015
#26
You are right, I was never in her camp but this piling on is a bit much and a good hard
monmouth4
Mar 2015
#32