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In reply to the discussion: I never, ever thought I'd see the day [View all]sammythecat
(3,568 posts)300. Thanks for clarifying. I agree with what you just said. n/t
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WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam Wars were all declared under Democratic presidents :(
BP2
Mar 2015
#137
The Dulles brothers are singularly obnoxious, but one can also point a finger at
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#345
Good post, thank you. The only thing we can hope for is that the US is going through a very
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#420
After Pearl Harbor, FDR didn't have a lot of choice in asking Congress for a declaration of war
dflprincess
Mar 2015
#322
Technical note: Eisenhower sent the first U.S. military advisors to Vietnam in the 50s, following
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#343
Not to be unduly persnickety, but the very first U.S. death in Viet Nam came
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#401
In '45, when he addressed the masses in Hanoi following the Viet Minh's
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#435
Didn't you get the pragmatic message? We have to kiss 1% ass to get campaign funding.
L0oniX
Mar 2015
#332
"neo-liberal policies": Did I miss the invention of this phrase during my absence?
Buzz Clik
Mar 2015
#27
if that is your criticism, it would have been clearer to address it directly rather than question
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#150
What do you mean by 'separating themselves' it's a MAJORITY of DUers not a 'certain segment'
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#444
"until you have at least some vague idea of what it is that you're mocking."
Buzz Clik
Mar 2015
#131
Just use 'Third Way', it's more 'modern'. And if you need any information on who they are and
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#422
+100 these days, "progressive" = support for individual rights (gay/black/hispanic/women) and
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#74
There is no income inequality juggernaut. And few people at DU talk about class in the economic
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#406
But they -DO- support those issues... nonsupport is "limited" and ALWAYS pragmatic
HereSince1628
Mar 2015
#138
*which* people on the ground? *why* was the country falling apart? we certainly did a
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#86
Yes we had a hand in it but the locaks were rising up against their goverment.
hrmjustin
Mar 2015
#96
Which 'people on the ground'? The ones who have been terrorizing civilians now for several years?
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#139
Yes, who are they? How many civilians were killed by NATO bombs in Libya? Do you know?
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#159
I am asking YOU who the protesters were? You are supporting what happened in Libya, but don't
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#172
I'll do the crying then for the innocent who are being murdered and tortured. You don't have to.
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#178
Our Western opinions of African nations, yours or mine, do not matter to African nations. Which was
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#184
It's really none of our business. We have no rights in Africa, we are not in a position to 'allow
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#276
The Iraqi people will suffer from that horrible war and that is tragic but I am still voting for
hrmjustin
Mar 2015
#16
How do you know that already? You don't even know who else is going to be running?
cui bono
Mar 2015
#382
So you are saying that getting rid of Saddam was worth the betrayal of Americans
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#73
"also probably brought on the death of the Great American Middle Class" = indeed
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#93
Manny I gave her a pass on her IWR vote. I have always liked her laugh. But that?
Autumn
Mar 2015
#13
I think it's up to the victims, those who survived, to forgive, not up to people
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#33
I am sorry for the death of your cousin. And even if everyone were to forgive those responsible for
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#85
Thats your opinion and it is principled but I think we do have standing to forgive.
hrmjustin
Mar 2015
#92
No. I was making a point to the poster who said only the victims of the war have standing to forgive
hrmjustin
Mar 2015
#292
Who are 'you people'. I want to know if I am one of them so I can correct that statement IF I am one
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#426
To further your "aside"... it actually says "would *be able to* totally obliterate them, not
cui bono
Mar 2015
#383
And if one didn't vote for Kerry then they SUPPORTED BUSH! No matter how one voted
think
Mar 2015
#12
And if one did vote for Kerry obviously they were hypocrites that supported the war.
think
Mar 2015
#29
lots of us were against Kerry before we were for him, before we were against him
HereSince1628
Mar 2015
#165
Is that your argument / rational for voting for HRC? We can do better than
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#77
About any area is gray when one is openly dedicated to being amoral as SOP.
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#20
What emotion? You haven't seen my personal editorial, that was observation.
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#234
I see. So you have declared as FACT that Hillary is amoral and possesses a sick mentality.
Buzz Clik
Mar 2015
#235
LOL, so war is OK if she thinks it was justified at the time! LOL, classic! nt
Logical
Mar 2015
#240
We all knew it was lies while it was happening. And she had a lot more information than we did.
cui bono
Mar 2015
#384
that might apply if there were some significant good to point to. but what we get is
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#109
+10,000 Where's the positive movement to inspire people, especially young people, to change
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#104
Actually, I rather agree with that hidden post you're replying to...
TreasonousBastard
Mar 2015
#218
I agree; the ptb are forced to concede something to their serfs in times of crisis. crisis from
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#221
Between 100,000 and 500,000 casualties from the Iraq war they signed on to.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2015
#32
Exactly. Sacrificed for the political ambitions of those who want to "lead" the nation.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2015
#46
The "real" Democratic Party became history when those evil genius Republicans changed our
world wide wally
Mar 2015
#36
It just shows the "Win, win, always play to win" ethos of the careerist plutocrat
BubbaFett
Mar 2015
#70
They're ALL fucking multi-millionaires. They have no connection to regular people.
Atman
Mar 2015
#64
And a vote for Reagan was a vote for trickle-down economics and screwing AIDs victims.
Nye Bevan
Mar 2015
#71
Equating voting for a Republican president with voting to send America to war based on lies?
think
Mar 2015
#78
Pretending that being a full tilt Republican starting with Nixon and running past Bush 41 is 'voting
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#191
Has she? Reagan was a Supply Side monster, a racist who actively supported aparthied following
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#188
This is a most righteous jeremiad. I think you and I may have had our differences in the
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#363
Then your judgement was better than that of those who did support it. Since there are no declared
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#149
And as always, those who voted for that war will not win. So if Dems want to win, they need to find
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#272
Thanks, and I would add Sherrod Brown and Bernie Sanders. Warren too if she wants to run.
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#351
No I didn't. I said he held Clinton to a different standard than he did three men
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#239
since most who oppose hrc right now favor Warren, your misogyny claims fail the laugh
Doctor_J
Mar 2015
#253
your "point" is to taint all criticism of Hillary by calling all critics anti-woman. I pointed out
Doctor_J
Mar 2015
#256
errr, Manny has a link about three posts up from here, and one of your posts right in
Doctor_J
Mar 2015
#311
Ok I just read the whole thing, and it didn't strike me as a spirited defense.
Hissyspit
Mar 2015
#262
Sorry but that's all bunk. When they signed it, are they saying they trusted Bush not to go to war?
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#309
wasn't that what Qadima figured in Lebanon? start a war so the warmongering Likud
MisterP
Mar 2015
#169
Is there is no gray area Manny. And no one who contributed to that massive war crime, whether out of
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#117
In 2008 a whole lot of progressves round here were singing praises for John Edwards
Tom Rinaldo
Mar 2015
#118
+1. I suspect a lot who are saying they were against it and "knew it was a lie," really didn't.
Hoyt
Mar 2015
#283
I saw that day, it was July 29th 2004 in Boston, when Democrats named Yes voters John Kerry
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#123
I did not say he was 'the sole co-sponsor' just that he was what he was, an origninal co-sponsor
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#160
No it does not. He was the very first Democrat to co-sponsor the Senate version, original co-sponsor
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#173
in his hypocrisy not much different from most politicians. just paid by a different faction.
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#175
And yet he was given a pass on the IWR vote twice, once as VP nom and second as candidate
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#182
I gave any Democrat who ran against Bush a pass at that time. I would have given the devil
Autumn
Mar 2015
#204
Well gee Manny, LBJ expanded a bloody war in Viet Nam, yet the social programs and civil rights act
still_one
Mar 2015
#133
Actually it would have been a third term technically Manny, and we will never know if he would or
still_one
Mar 2015
#168
i've read that lbj was actually trying to wind down the war & got rat-fucked, but i can't
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#176
That would be interesting. No evidence of that was mentioned in "The Fog Of War". Thanks
still_one
Mar 2015
#200
LBJ couldn't publicly blow the whistle on Nixon b/c, to do so, LBJ would have
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#368
I have seldom seen an idividual get so thoroughly clowned in their own thread as in this one
Number23
Mar 2015
#274
But that of course does not apply to selfishly advocating horrible economic policies in a right wing
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#193
Gosh, you put quote marks around and attibute to me something I most certainly never said and
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#203
HELL of a point. And that goes for the OP as well as his (current) favorite politician
Number23
Mar 2015
#275
He's got too many 'personas' for anyone to actually know who his favorite politicians are.
emulatorloo
Mar 2015
#304
UGH!!!! again. CONTEXT matters as well. FUCKING IDIOT GEORGEE MADE THAT VOTE POLITICAL!
pansypoo53219
Mar 2015
#187
No but it's nevertheless true. Politicians vote the way their constituencies would
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#273
Sacrificing thousands of Americans is a small price to pay to win an election.
neverforget
Mar 2015
#284
Because the war was not sanctioned by the UN, preemptive, and based on false claims?
think
Mar 2015
#202
So, they were suckered by Bush into voting for a war that killed hundreds of thousands?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2015
#225
You OP logic says anyone who excuses the IWR vote can't join the 'progressive' club
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#260
Not shocking at all. Hell...I once quoted Caddyshack to Manny and got a hide.
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#446
I'm not going off topic for you. Is there a difference in the terms hide and lock?
Autumn
Mar 2015
#449
So you are upset I conflated the terms, "hide" and "lock?" On the lock, did a DUer privately
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#450
As to 3) the letters were posted by the locking host. I have no idea who told you I posted the alert
Autumn
Mar 2015
#456
Hosts do post DU mails involving alerts in the host thread, someone did tell you I posted the alert
Autumn
Mar 2015
#458
Oh--you posted the original alert, but you didn't post the PM sent from another source who did
msanthrope
Mar 2015
#460
Maybe people have realized that their vote for Kerry may have compromised their ideals.
Maedhros
Mar 2015
#436
Voting for military action against ISIS wouldn't be comparable to the AUMF in Iraq.
Marr
Mar 2015
#358
I suspect that Hillary herself regrets that vote whether she will actually say so
totodeinhere
Mar 2015
#346
"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush"
greenman3610
Mar 2015
#399
I'm with you. I actually enjoy watching these types of threads because it shows how people always
Township75
Mar 2015
#419