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Ichingcarpenter

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17. The Steel industry and the auto industry were strong

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 04:02 PM

Mar 2015

and america had the highest standard of living by protecting its industry and workers until the early 70s so the argument is specious to say the least.

besides these new trade deals are written by corporations not nations now.

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There's only one principle behind TTIP, CETA and other 'free trade' agreements [View all] Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 OP

Milton Friedman Shock Doctrine SamKnause Mar 2015 #1

That is the bottom line. GeorgeGist Mar 2015 #2

Obama is not a slave to the free market or his donors. obxhead Mar 2015 #8

He, like most politicians... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #34

There are a couple of other ideas that go hand in hand with 'free trade'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #3

And then Waste Management ends up with piles and piles of resources. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #10

My hatred of corporatism burns hotter than the surface of the Sun gregcrawford Mar 2015 #4

Your hatred in entirely justified. The U.S.A. has never faced such an insidious enemy. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #7

Me three Populist_Prole Mar 2015 #15

Exactly. The other stuff matters, but it becomes secondary if you don't have food and shelter. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #27

Free-market rhetoric largely exploits anti-communism and rejection HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #5

Repeat after me. Corporate rule is Fascism. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #6

Tell Barack Obama -- he's pushing for this as hard as anyone. FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #18

It's pretty clear, Enthusiast Mar 2015 #19

Agreed. FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #31

Which brings up the point... HoosierCowboy Mar 2015 #9

European workers have prospered with their version of 'free trade', open borders and no tariffs. pampango Mar 2015 #11

+1. Trade agreements are not necessarily bad. Hoyt Mar 2015 #12

false equivalency. Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #13

Prior to WWII each European country had tariffs and immigration restrictions against its neighbors. pampango Mar 2015 #14

You called THAT right: Took the words out of my mouth Populist_Prole Mar 2015 #16

The Steel industry and the auto industry were strong Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #17

"That was a specious argument and the poster knows it." If the far-right gets its way, pampango Mar 2015 #21

Nonsense - the countries of the EU are separate sovereign nations. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #22

the agreements they have are between Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #25

Fuck the details. This nation has never been the same since NAFTA. TPP and TTIP will be worse. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #20

News flash. Things were not great before NAFTA. Trade with Mexico is 3% of our economy. pampango Mar 2015 #23

So that's why republicans are pushing this deal too? Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #24

The republican base is not pushing it, in fact oppose it, while Democrats think it is a good idea. pampango Mar 2015 #26

Which Democrats? DINO corporatists? Those are Republicans in disguise. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #28

You can call them all the names you want. Polls show that Democrats think it is a 'good idea' while pampango Mar 2015 #29

I don't believe you. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #30

Me too. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #36

That poster has been made aware of the fact that the TPP is a part of the 2012 (R)epublcan platform nationalize the fed Mar 2015 #38

That poster has been pumping the corporate/republican trade propaganda on here for years Elwood P Dowd Mar 2015 #39

The big transformation came with NAFTA. We all know it. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #35

so when we have strong unions and wages like Europe then liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #33

Larry Summers and the End Game Memo Octafish Mar 2015 #37