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Octafish

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30. It IS horrifying. It also IS the People's business.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 02:14 PM
Mar 2015
America’s real secret revealed: Clinton, Petraeus & how elites protect their legacies

When whistleblowers reveal secrets, it's a national crisis. When "leaders" leave them exposed, here's what's afoot

MARCY WHEELER
Salon.com, March 5, 2015

EXCERPT...

The cavalier treatment of the nation’s secrets by two people who have been steeped in the need to protect such secrets for decades — and have applauded the prosecution of others like Chelsea Manning and John Kiriakou who have leaked information – might suggest the secrets were never so sensitive after all. Maybe this system of secrecy is all just an excuse to prosecute whistleblowers and other annoying national security employees? Maybe this secrecy just serves to keep citizens in the dark about what our government is doing in their name?

And while both of those may, to some degree, be the case, that’s not all that’s going on.

Clinton’s State department business and Petraeus’ conversations with the President actually are sensitive — to say nothing of the covert officers’ identities Petraeus could have exposed. That’s why Clinton and Petraeus’ behavior is so telling — because Petraeus’ Black Books, at least, were filled with precisely the kinds of secrets that must be guarded to prevent people from being killed (we don’t yet know how sensitive the communications Clinton had via email).

Clinton’s State department business and Petraeus’ conversations with the President actually are sensitive — to say nothing of the covert officers’ identities Petraeus could have exposed. That’s why Clinton and Petraeus’ behavior is so telling — because Petraeus’ Black Books, at least, were filled with precisely the kinds of secrets that must be guarded to prevent people from being killed (we don’t yet know how sensitive the communications Clinton had via email).

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But the system is also broken because it has been permitted to become a tool the powerful use to control their own image (and thereby accrue more power). After the years-long witch hunts under her spouse’s Presidency, Clinton might be forgiven for wanting to maintain complete control over her own communications (except for that whole bit about democratic accountability). But she is of course doing it to serve her own Presidential aspirations. Likewise, Petraeus has, at times, contemplated a Presidential run. Nor is he the first person to keep a CYA record of some of the most sensitive discussions he engaged in; Alberto Gonzales did the same, but got caught and investigated by DOJ’s Inspector General for having done so. And as these indiscretions have become known, both figures have had veritable PR machines in places to respond – either to defend or to engage in embarrassing tributes.

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http://www.salon.com/2015/03/05/americas_real_secret_revealed_clinton_petraeus_how_elites_protect_their_legacies/

Thank you for the kind words, Wella. Secret government is un-democratic government.

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How neocon of her... Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #1
Word. Octafish Mar 2015 #4
Someone already posted this yesterday OKNancy Mar 2015 #2
good. that means I can rec it twice. merrily Mar 2015 #3
Pro Publica found that corruption touched CIA’s covert operations. Octafish Mar 2015 #6
carol lam was the us attorney that busted up that bunch questionseverything Mar 2015 #13
Once I hoped Carol Lam would be nominated to the Federal bench. Octafish Mar 2015 #14
i had hoped for a special prosecutor spot for her questionseverything Mar 2015 #20
We were all very naive back then. We actually thought the crooks could be prosecuted and sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #27
Can I share some of my hope with you then? hootinholler Mar 2015 #36
padilla is an American citizen held and tortured for nearly 5 years questionseverything Mar 2015 #37
I know you remember the whole thing stank to high heaven hootinholler Mar 2015 #22
i did not know about that piece of the puzzle questionseverything Mar 2015 #33
You're very welcome hootinholler Mar 2015 #35
" . . . in advance of the long-awaited sentencing of Kyle Dustin “Dusty” Foggo, . . ." Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #49
Thanks. Octafish Mar 2015 #5
many of us didn't see yesterday's story, likely grasswire Mar 2015 #8
You are most welcome, grasswire. Octafish Mar 2015 #9
I hadn't seen the other post. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #12
Clinton benefitted from email double-standard, says former US ambassador Octafish Mar 2015 #16
YOU peel the onion to get to the truth and expose the connections Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #17
''The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society... Octafish Mar 2015 #34
Important articles should be posted as many times as possible, woo me with science Mar 2015 #7
Some members of DU use the ignore feature. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #50
Kickin' Faux pas Mar 2015 #10
Unbelievable story about how Amb. Scott Gration lost his POST for using secondary email account. Octafish Mar 2015 #11
All the intrigues of a Royal Court. zeemike Mar 2015 #18
Yes, it certainly is more like a Royal Court at those levels, than a Democratic system. And the sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #31
Great bit of info - mirrors what corp staff do. We can always ask the NSA WayBackMachine erronis Mar 2015 #29
Great writing, yours! Octafish Mar 2015 #54
Excellent information, Octafish Wella Mar 2015 #15
It IS horrifying. It also IS the People's business. Octafish Mar 2015 #30
Snake oil for sale,,,,,, get it while it last,,,,, get ur snake oil! Cryptoad Mar 2015 #19
OMG A secret spy network. Snake oil the plus version. leftofcool Mar 2015 #28
Seems now that Cryptoad Mar 2015 #38
He's a start. Ask Phil Gramm who he knows. Octafish Mar 2015 #40
Are you and cryptoad a tag-team? What with your cute quips? I understand, rhett o rick Mar 2015 #52
Want to know who's REALLY into snake oil? Octafish Mar 2015 #32
K&R. OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #21
Why secrecy is undemocratic... Octafish Mar 2015 #41
K&R. mylye2222 Mar 2015 #23
Secret Government is un-democratic. Octafish Mar 2015 #42
Clickbait. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #24
meaning what? I find your bravado.... sad cali Mar 2015 #39
But...but...but...HILLARY. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #25
Set-Up City: CIA and Secret Government largely a creation of the GOP Octafish Mar 2015 #44
Thanks for posting this, I was offline all weekend and had not seen it.... peacebird Mar 2015 #26
You are most welcome, peacebird! Octafish Mar 2015 #45
I read the link and concentrated real hard fadedrose Mar 2015 #43
The emails indicate someone was running a Private Intel Operation... Octafish Mar 2015 #46
recommended. H2O Man Mar 2015 #47
K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. JEB Mar 2015 #48
K&R - thanks for posting... jonno99 Mar 2015 #51
Additional incriminating emails will follow HRC throughout her campaigns. Divernan Mar 2015 #53
Someone hacks Blumenthal's account Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #55
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