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H2O Man

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33. Very good.

Sun Apr 5, 2015, 04:40 PM

Apr 2015

I'm very glad that you posted this. It is one of what has unfortunately become a footnote to political history -- though it really wasn't that long ago.

Hart was indeed set up. And Rice was playing a game, "taking one for the team," so to speak. If anyone bothers to look at her life -- and she's been public about it, so it's not "spying" -- it is evident what team she's on. And it surely isn't the Democratic Party.

Hart did play a role in this "scandal," of course. Had he been running for the office of Pope, it might have been worthy of consideration. (He'd have had my vote.)

That the Nixon machine had hired "call girls" to lure Democrats, both in 1968 and '72, is so well documented, that no one questions it seriously. That the same basic tactic was used, with a "pure and wholesome" gal like Ms. Rice, shouldn't puzzle people.

But it does puzzle many otherwise intelligent folks. Why? My theory is that they are not familiar with Hart's outstanding work in uncovering the extent of the rot that became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. There were forces at play that were determined to prevent Hart from becoming President. Sad, that, because he was a uniquely qualified politician.

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Gary Hart: Billion-dollar Clinton campaign should 'frighten' Americans [View all] alp227 Apr 2015 OP

Frightened? No. Disgusted? Yes. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #1

LOL! Good comment! Agreed. noella17 Apr 2015 #79

Yeah, if the Clintons were more liberal, they'd have probably been pushed out earlier... cascadiance Apr 2015 #151

Well said. No doubt there are those here that will either defend or deny the quid pro quo of politics. Disgusting is right. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #129

A $2Bn + Election fredamae Apr 2015 #2

when the Kochs donate 900 million alone, Hart's calling out the wrong team. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #4

+1 ^^^this ^^^ n/t ffr Apr 2015 #8

+3 sakabatou Apr 2015 #26

exactly! hopemountain Apr 2015 #39

Yes but the Clintons ran/run as DEMOCRATS. noella17 Apr 2015 #80

There is enough blame to go around. Granted the SCOTUS did a dastardly deed rhett o rick Apr 2015 #89

They are ALL taking advantage because the Supreme Court allowed it. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #90

I think you will find that some candidates are getting way more money than rhett o rick Apr 2015 #115

And Goldman couldn't give endless money to any campaign without the SCourt say so. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #119

Right on point Rick, as usual. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #131

Agree with you there mister; there's plenty of blame to go around. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #130

Thank you! This is not Clinton's fault. ananda Apr 2015 #6

Yep Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #10

Teh Koch's court Cryptoad Apr 2015 #12

Indeed, the KOCH COURT it is- appalachiablue Apr 2015 #13

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Koch's Citizens United & GOP S Court picks is why misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #27

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Ridiculous is expecting any Dem without 1.5 billion to defeat the GOP. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #46

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That's my bet too betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #61

Bill Clinton put Stephen Breyer & Ruth Bader Ginsburg on SCOTUS who are dependable liberal votes... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #82

So they are enough to placate liberals without tipping the balance betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #83

You implied the Clintons would appoint conservative justices DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #87

Maybe you need to read her stand on the issues before declaring she would not stand up to them. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #30

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See, you continue with the same baseless talking points. If you read the information in Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #41

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Let me say this, she represents the Democratic Party of which I am a member. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #58

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You are wrong, this is the same talking point delivered, cognitive dissonance does not work on me. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #100

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Where is your link she is a corporatist? Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #105

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I read them and they spoke of admiration of Hillary, not that she is a corporatist. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #111

Welcome back... zappaman Apr 2015 #44

What was his or her previously alt? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #77

maybe again as well. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #110

Wow! Well the S Court IS the reason why many great candidates cannot compete. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #54

Who told you that?? OYE! misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #57

Do tell Cryptoad Apr 2015 #43

It's the going price on the TPP and on lax regulation of the financial sector. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #22

Exactly. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #32

We should be outraged at both parties for spending this much money. This money could go liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #29

Yes. Outraged that it ever got to this critical point. nt misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #59

SCOTUS changed the Political game fredamae Apr 2015 #143

End Citizens United SophieKoko Apr 2015 #148

Ol' Monkey Business Hart. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #3

I sort of go with the old 'unified character' theory on this... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #7

You nailed it. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #16

It wasn't like he was daring the press to take him down - he was daring the press. Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #113

Hart was essentially caught in flagrante delicto, and in the midst of a campaign... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #140

Polls showed nobody gave a f*** about his en flagrante delicto. ieoeja Apr 2015 #146

Possible. But some candidates can weather the storm better than others... Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #150

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Citation please/NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #23

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Plus, on top of that, Hart was more liberal than Mondale in 1984. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #25

I read the article you cited...Could you please direct me to this: DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #40

Very good. H2O Man Apr 2015 #33

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'Hart anticipates that O�Malley, 52 � who can point to a progressive record elleng Apr 2015 #5

Martin O'Malley is classified as a left liberal, both EW and HRC are classified as Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #62

I've seen some classifications, elleng Apr 2015 #66

She gives speeches to Wall Street and gets paid nicely for her work, we get paid for our labor, Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #72

I can classify someone as a ham sandwich if I like. jeff47 Apr 2015 #91

Right, and 'classifying' former senator/sec.state and senator elleng Apr 2015 #92

It is their stand on issues, I did not classify either, their voting records and statements are used Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #95

I did not do the classifying. It to s based on their voting record and statements. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #94

And that changes exactly nothing about what I said. jeff47 Apr 2015 #97

Right, and all the matters that arise before governors elleng Apr 2015 #107

and this, posted today, linked from theatlantic about HRC: elleng Apr 2015 #112

How much will the Republicant's be spending? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #9

We'd be idiots not to try to match them. n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #20

They'll have at least $900M from the Koches alone. Plus other GOP criminals will donate. freshwest Apr 2015 #96

EW spent $42 million on a senate seat, this is just one state Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #35

And a not very large one to boot . /NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #52

square mileage wise, Massachusetts is not big NewJeffCT Apr 2015 #71

The mind boogles! n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #121

This Must be an,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #11

Appears that way. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #64

Or the Koches, as they are giving nearly a billion alone. Other GOP crooks will push that to $1B+. freshwest Apr 2015 #98

LOL DURHAM D Apr 2015 #14

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One smart mofo Hokie Apr 2015 #56

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Right. Because the Dem should unilaterally disarm and let Bush or Cruz spend his billions. n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #18

anyone think republicans will spend less? spanone Apr 2015 #21

The nominee is irrelevant. He or she will have to raise 1.5 billion at minimum to be competative Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #28

Agree. 6 billion isn't a stretch either. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #36

I think you are right. Just like computers are faster and bigger, campaigns are expensive Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #37

In San Diego, the cost of local Mayoral and city council campigns has exploded. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #42

Reality did not arrive to Gary Hart, it is a changed world now. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #45

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And this is why Bernie is my first choice. hifiguy Apr 2015 #65

If Hillary wants to impress me, she can donate her campaign money to the poor. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #48

The Clinton Foundation does exactly that. And it is quite impressive misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #68

We should be protesting the amount of money both parties are spending on campaigning. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #73

LMFAO L0oniX Apr 2015 #86

It certainly does a lot of good. I just wish the Clintons were a little more particular about whose contributions they take. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #137

Do agree on that point. Ok with contributions from questionable misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #144

Yes, but many are Arab countries & atrocious re rights of women, gays, etc. Shocked Hillary didn't speak out more against such attricities. Maybe takin their $ had somethin 2 do w/ it. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #149

And where does a great deal of that money from both sides end up? Fumesucker Apr 2015 #51

+1 liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #53

Sounds like some Monkey Business to me Hokie Apr 2015 #55

There's an old saw "that a man is only as loyal as his opportunities." DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #60

Set up for scandal. That's the GOP m.o. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #67

This wasn't a honey trap...He just wanted to get laid. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #70

So he wanted to get laid? So what? liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #74

I don't... I voted for him in 84... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #75

because Bill was innocent and virginal betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #135

Reading comprehension is fundamental DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #138

No, I think that was Donna Rice. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #132

Bernie Rocks colsohlibgal Apr 2015 #69

Why? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #76

I agree, especially with the added cost of hundreds of advisors to tell Hillary what she should say, do, wear, etc. That shit is expensive. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #134

Kicked! ibewlu606 Apr 2015 #78

Corporate "whores" ?? WoW please tone down the disgusting name calling. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #81

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+99% ...and I hope you don't get a hide. L0oniX Apr 2015 #85

Obviously this election will be a mamoth corruption of our system by money ...but L0oniX Apr 2015 #84

Disgusting - isn't it? 840high Apr 2015 #109

I'm sick of these folks buying elections. Just like $40,000,000. Rahm here in Chicago... Peregrine Took Apr 2015 #88

when a Hillary ad runs on TV ... quadrature Apr 2015 #93

It does! n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #102

Where are the Roosevelt's, Where are the Truman's, for heaven's sake? hedda_foil Apr 2015 #103

Gee Gary, did I hear you complaining about the romney campaign,or Koch brothers? still_one Apr 2015 #108

One small correction... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #116

I am getting older, my memory of these affairs isn't as good as it used to be, thanks still_one Apr 2015 #117

Wow, I didn't know he was two time loser. I thought it was the yacht only. freshwest Apr 2015 #122

the Billion Dollar Jeb Bush campaign scares me more than she! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #114

This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #120

No, it'll be Cruz. A dark horse candidate is what they need. Rabies not a problem, either. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #123

No it won't....to Republicans Money is GOD...and makes you king... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #124

Jebbie shares many of the same donors as Hillary, which is no less disgusting. Wall Street doesn't really care who wins and THAT is what should scare people. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #136

Whoa. Gary Hart? Now there's a blast from the past. Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #118

Yeah...he's who I want to take political advice and prognostication from ! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #125

Both billion-plus campaigns disgust me. The money, the people, the fact that the money overrides djean111 Apr 2015 #126

Can I make a request of Candidate Clinton? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #127

Campaign finance in general is getting out of hand davidpdx Apr 2015 #128

Sad but true - pretty much sums up everything that's wrong with politics. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #133

That's right Hilary, don't raise money...the Repukes aren't doing it... joeybee12 Apr 2015 #139

Is Gary hart proposing we unilaterally disarm? brooklynite Apr 2015 #141

Doesn't matter who is running thats the price... Historic NY Apr 2015 #142

Lets see how a one million dollar campaign does against the R's. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #145

It costs at least a billion dollars to run a campaign post Citizens United Gothmog Apr 2015 #147

I have one question for Hart, Beacool Apr 2015 #152