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hughee99

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30. I wouldn't trusts any of them if they told me

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Sat Apr 18, 2015, 11:31 AM

Apr 2015

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They wanted to make some deal an official treaty before they'd let everyone have a good look at what's in it.

More a commentary on the TPP than the Iran negotiations.

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I would much rather have Pres. Obama or Sec. Clinton negotiating trade deals [View all] arely staircase Apr 2015 OP

Obama is a secret Republican, didn't you hear! Nicely and succinctly put. No other counter argument Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #1

honestly, I agree with some of the concerns with TPP arely staircase Apr 2015 #3

Obama will NOT make a deal not in the interests of Americans and the middle class. He..will..not. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #5

HIS experts have included the likes of Larry Summers.... marmar Apr 2015 #21

And what kind of unwavering support for the working class would the other party choice of two choices..have? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #23

We have blind faith in people we don't know of treestar Apr 2015 #54

You understand that Obama won't be President for life?? Giving up Congress' right to negotiate sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #38

then we just better make sure Bush or Ryan don't become President... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #52

So you're okay with tempting fate dreamig that we will never again have a Republican President, sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #63

Tempting FATE? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #65

Are you really saying that this country will never again have a Republican in the WH? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #67

No I am not...whereever did you get that? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #68

We far outnumber the Republicans and that's why we shouldn't settle for such a candidate. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #70

settle? arely staircase Apr 2015 #75

Exactly....but they are desperately trying to make themselves believe otherwise! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #80

WE aren't.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #79

Looks like you're surrounded. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #69

"he never liked us .. he's Cha Apr 2015 #12

Bwahhahaha! Obama does not love ME enough. He is a secret TPP corporation/bankster lover. And hates unions! Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #13

It is no longer a "secret." He is loud and defiant about it. He is a Larry Summers clone. WillTwain Apr 2015 #35

Nonsense.....I have 6 years of EVIDENCE of Obama's ACTIONS...you got some distorted words. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #36

and a narrative they just cannot let go of...even if the evidence to the contrary stacks to the sky! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #81

Not me. If you'd just said living... cali Apr 2015 #2

perot et al predicted that NAFTA would destroy the US arely staircase Apr 2015 #6

was Perot a nobel prize winning economist? cali Apr 2015 #14

he is predicting the same kind of disaster that as perot arely staircase Apr 2015 #25

OK cali Apr 2015 #29

+1 Enthusiast Apr 2015 #71

I find this ... curious ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #78

I agree with you, I have reserved my opinion of TPP until the final draft has appeared. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #59

... ND-Dem Apr 2015 #72

Oh yes shenmue Apr 2015 #4

or even a non-crazy like Bush arely staircase Apr 2015 #7

DEEP GeorgeGist Apr 2015 #8

TRUST Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #9

TRUST cali Apr 2015 #20

No you don't "know quite a bit about" VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #82

actually, I do. Obviously I can't know what's in the 26 chapters cali Apr 2015 #90

NO you don't....you don't know any more than the rest of us.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #91

I'm continually impressed by cali Apr 2015 #94

Hillary is not yet and may not be President and Obama will be out in 2016. Autumn Apr 2015 #10

Republicans wouldn't "screw you over", they will screw you and me into Jesus-dirt......bit different. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #11

Fine, I would rather have a republican screw you and me into Jesus-dirt than a Democrat Autumn Apr 2015 #17

Elect the GOP so they can screw us more quickly and thoroughly!! JoePhilly Apr 2015 #56

You have a nice day Joe. I won't lower myself to try and argue that silly ass, worthless remark. Autumn Apr 2015 #60

Since it is inevitable we must all be screwed equally by both equal parties.... let the experts do it, I agree! Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #93

whatever gets you through the night... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #83

I get through the night just fine my dear friend. Autumn Apr 2015 #84

Oh really? Keep dreaming....the Democrats WANT HER!!! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #85

Bernie is not yet running. Autumn Apr 2015 #86

Neither are Sarah Palin or Bob McDonnell VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #87

What a silly site Nilla. Autumn Apr 2015 #88

Not silly at all...did you read who is doing it? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #89

It seems to me working class people and the environment get hosed no matter who is leading TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #15

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #16

not when they are giving away my house. both in the unfairness, and literally.... seabeyond Apr 2015 #18

What house are you referring to? TPP takes away your house and forces one to eat grubs in a mud hut..that is a new one! Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #19

its a continuing of corporate greed at my expense that takes away my lifestyle. seabeyond Apr 2015 #22

Oh, such emphatic indignation. woo me with science Apr 2015 #24

none of what you posted seems designed to rationally win people to your point of view arely staircase Apr 2015 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Apr 2015 #27

your argument is every bit as weak. cali Apr 2015 #31

Instated that I trust them and I dont trust Repubs. arely staircase Apr 2015 #45

Congressional dems in both houses overwhelmingly oppose the TPA cali Apr 2015 #50

And I am ambivalant about it arely staircase Apr 2015 #74

No that's not what it is treestar Apr 2015 #55

Well, that picture of some slum has convinced me! Obama wants Americans to live in mud huts! Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #37

Obamavilles arely staircase Apr 2015 #46

Haven't people taken a "pay cut" without the TPP since the 60s? Hoyt Apr 2015 #34

The middle class has already been robbed and suffered while the wealthy runaway with the loot! No TPP? Interesting. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #39

And there is no proof of this lowering of wages treestar Apr 2015 #58

Yeah. Fuck Lincoln! paulbibeau Apr 2015 #28

Yes I would pick Obama over Lincoln to negotiate a 21st C trade deal nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #48

I wouldn't trusts any of them if they told me hughee99 Apr 2015 #30

Definitely. Hoyt Apr 2015 #32

So the choices are still bad or worse? polichick Apr 2015 #33

Bad, worse, or better. ucrdem Apr 2015 #40

I don't trust corporate Dems to put people or planet ahead of corp. profits. polichick Apr 2015 #57

Best should be a choice! - pull OUT of NAFTA and IGNORE TPP! cascadiance Apr 2015 #61

Possibly but I don't think that option is available. We've been heading down this road since WWII. ucrdem Apr 2015 #64

no, between trustrorthy and not. nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #49

I don't trust Obama or Clinton on this - so it's still bad or worse... polichick Apr 2015 #53

Ditto. Especially a mob of then rock Apr 2015 #41

yeah. i am going to wait for the actual agreement to come out. mopinko Apr 2015 #42

Wow colsohlibgal Apr 2015 #43

You guys will ignore this, but why is it that congressional repubs support this and cali Apr 2015 #44

Because Obama is pushing for it. Autumn Apr 2015 #47

Very true. And even Republicans have no motive to treestar Apr 2015 #51

either way the American worker gets screwed. Bye bye middle class. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #62

The so called 'deal' he is 'negotiating' AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #66

Hey, if we're going to have a trade deal the fucks over the 99% and tosses our democracy ... Scuba Apr 2015 #73

Why? The result is the same. PeteSelman Apr 2015 #76

right. the same people would be negotiating them. cali Apr 2015 #92

Lots o' Buy Partisanship. NAFTA ''negotiations'' started under Ronald Raygun. TPP under GW Bush. Octafish Apr 2015 #77