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cascadiance

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61. Best should be a choice! - pull OUT of NAFTA and IGNORE TPP!

Sat Apr 18, 2015, 05:03 PM

Apr 2015

And restore our ability to have tariffs and in the course of doing so get rid of our trade deficit and the resulting increasing debt, loss of assets owned by American interests and loss of American jobs that we used to have before Reagan started this so-called "free trade" nightmare that both Republicans and corporate owned Democrats have embraced since then that have TRASHED the middle class and our economy and have globalized labor and environmental standards at the bottoms internationally that corporations race to under these treaties that enable them to do so and in the process also are able to overturn our laws and steal our nation's sovereignty from us!

Unfortunately we likely won't get this choice unless we elect a populist like Warren or Sanders!

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I would much rather have Pres. Obama or Sec. Clinton negotiating trade deals [View all] arely staircase Apr 2015 OP

Obama is a secret Republican, didn't you hear! Nicely and succinctly put. No other counter argument Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #1

honestly, I agree with some of the concerns with TPP arely staircase Apr 2015 #3

Obama will NOT make a deal not in the interests of Americans and the middle class. He..will..not. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #5

HIS experts have included the likes of Larry Summers.... marmar Apr 2015 #21

And what kind of unwavering support for the working class would the other party choice of two choices..have? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #23

We have blind faith in people we don't know of treestar Apr 2015 #54

You understand that Obama won't be President for life?? Giving up Congress' right to negotiate sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #38

then we just better make sure Bush or Ryan don't become President... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #52

So you're okay with tempting fate dreamig that we will never again have a Republican President, sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #63

Tempting FATE? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #65

Are you really saying that this country will never again have a Republican in the WH? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #67

No I am not...whereever did you get that? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #68

We far outnumber the Republicans and that's why we shouldn't settle for such a candidate. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #70

settle? arely staircase Apr 2015 #75

Exactly....but they are desperately trying to make themselves believe otherwise! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #80

WE aren't.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #79

Looks like you're surrounded. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #69

"he never liked us .. he's Cha Apr 2015 #12

Bwahhahaha! Obama does not love ME enough. He is a secret TPP corporation/bankster lover. And hates unions! Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #13

It is no longer a "secret." He is loud and defiant about it. He is a Larry Summers clone. WillTwain Apr 2015 #35

Nonsense.....I have 6 years of EVIDENCE of Obama's ACTIONS...you got some distorted words. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #36

and a narrative they just cannot let go of...even if the evidence to the contrary stacks to the sky! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #81

Not me. If you'd just said living... cali Apr 2015 #2

perot et al predicted that NAFTA would destroy the US arely staircase Apr 2015 #6

was Perot a nobel prize winning economist? cali Apr 2015 #14

he is predicting the same kind of disaster that as perot arely staircase Apr 2015 #25

OK cali Apr 2015 #29

+1 Enthusiast Apr 2015 #71

I find this ... curious ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #78

I agree with you, I have reserved my opinion of TPP until the final draft has appeared. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #59

... ND-Dem Apr 2015 #72

Oh yes shenmue Apr 2015 #4

or even a non-crazy like Bush arely staircase Apr 2015 #7

DEEP GeorgeGist Apr 2015 #8

TRUST Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #9

TRUST cali Apr 2015 #20

No you don't "know quite a bit about" VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #82

actually, I do. Obviously I can't know what's in the 26 chapters cali Apr 2015 #90

NO you don't....you don't know any more than the rest of us.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #91

I'm continually impressed by cali Apr 2015 #94

Hillary is not yet and may not be President and Obama will be out in 2016. Autumn Apr 2015 #10

Republicans wouldn't "screw you over", they will screw you and me into Jesus-dirt......bit different. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #11

Fine, I would rather have a republican screw you and me into Jesus-dirt than a Democrat Autumn Apr 2015 #17

Elect the GOP so they can screw us more quickly and thoroughly!! JoePhilly Apr 2015 #56

You have a nice day Joe. I won't lower myself to try and argue that silly ass, worthless remark. Autumn Apr 2015 #60

Since it is inevitable we must all be screwed equally by both equal parties.... let the experts do it, I agree! Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #93

whatever gets you through the night... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #83

I get through the night just fine my dear friend. Autumn Apr 2015 #84

Oh really? Keep dreaming....the Democrats WANT HER!!! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #85

Bernie is not yet running. Autumn Apr 2015 #86

Neither are Sarah Palin or Bob McDonnell VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #87

What a silly site Nilla. Autumn Apr 2015 #88

Not silly at all...did you read who is doing it? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #89

It seems to me working class people and the environment get hosed no matter who is leading TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #15

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #16

not when they are giving away my house. both in the unfairness, and literally.... seabeyond Apr 2015 #18

What house are you referring to? TPP takes away your house and forces one to eat grubs in a mud hut..that is a new one! Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #19

its a continuing of corporate greed at my expense that takes away my lifestyle. seabeyond Apr 2015 #22

Oh, such emphatic indignation. woo me with science Apr 2015 #24

none of what you posted seems designed to rationally win people to your point of view arely staircase Apr 2015 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Apr 2015 #27

your argument is every bit as weak. cali Apr 2015 #31

Instated that I trust them and I dont trust Repubs. arely staircase Apr 2015 #45

Congressional dems in both houses overwhelmingly oppose the TPA cali Apr 2015 #50

And I am ambivalant about it arely staircase Apr 2015 #74

No that's not what it is treestar Apr 2015 #55

Well, that picture of some slum has convinced me! Obama wants Americans to live in mud huts! Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #37

Obamavilles arely staircase Apr 2015 #46

Haven't people taken a "pay cut" without the TPP since the 60s? Hoyt Apr 2015 #34

The middle class has already been robbed and suffered while the wealthy runaway with the loot! No TPP? Interesting. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #39

And there is no proof of this lowering of wages treestar Apr 2015 #58

Yeah. Fuck Lincoln! paulbibeau Apr 2015 #28

Yes I would pick Obama over Lincoln to negotiate a 21st C trade deal nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #48

I wouldn't trusts any of them if they told me hughee99 Apr 2015 #30

Definitely. Hoyt Apr 2015 #32

So the choices are still bad or worse? polichick Apr 2015 #33

Bad, worse, or better. ucrdem Apr 2015 #40

I don't trust corporate Dems to put people or planet ahead of corp. profits. polichick Apr 2015 #57

Best should be a choice! - pull OUT of NAFTA and IGNORE TPP! cascadiance Apr 2015 #61

Possibly but I don't think that option is available. We've been heading down this road since WWII. ucrdem Apr 2015 #64

no, between trustrorthy and not. nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #49

I don't trust Obama or Clinton on this - so it's still bad or worse... polichick Apr 2015 #53

Ditto. Especially a mob of then rock Apr 2015 #41

yeah. i am going to wait for the actual agreement to come out. mopinko Apr 2015 #42

Wow colsohlibgal Apr 2015 #43

You guys will ignore this, but why is it that congressional repubs support this and cali Apr 2015 #44

Because Obama is pushing for it. Autumn Apr 2015 #47

Very true. And even Republicans have no motive to treestar Apr 2015 #51

either way the American worker gets screwed. Bye bye middle class. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #62

The so called 'deal' he is 'negotiating' AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #66

Hey, if we're going to have a trade deal the fucks over the 99% and tosses our democracy ... Scuba Apr 2015 #73

Why? The result is the same. PeteSelman Apr 2015 #76

right. the same people would be negotiating them. cali Apr 2015 #92

Lots o' Buy Partisanship. NAFTA ''negotiations'' started under Ronald Raygun. TPP under GW Bush. Octafish Apr 2015 #77