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nadinbrzezinski

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50. Hey, they might shock me

Sun Apr 19, 2015, 01:18 PM

Apr 2015

and be the place where they break the process towards oligarchy, but this is at the moment a RW court, more akin to the one in the 1930s. So forgive me for not expecting that. Nor do I expect the US Senate to confirm candidates that are all but business friendly, and towards the RW where it matters.

I told you my cynical view of things. It is what it is. But it is also one reason why my horse race coverage is limited to winers and losers, I cannot compete with the money tsunami and my 5 bucks are not going to buy me a seat at any table, not even the children's table. Now if I gave a 5 followed by 6 zeroes, that would be a somewhat different story.

It is what it is, and some of us have indeed given up on the system as being responsive one bit.

Now I do spend time on this dysfunction and what citizens united has done. But the horse race? I have not gotten excited on any of it in a few years.

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Chafee and Webb announced. [View all] boston bean Apr 2015 OP

There are some of us who really do not give a shit nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #1

"There are some of us who really do not give a shit who is in the White House." sufrommich Apr 2015 #2

Hey I did not give a shit who was in Los Pinos either nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #5

Yeah right. zappaman Apr 2015 #9

In certain policies, nope not a one nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #11

you did not say "certain" policy, just that it didnt matter. of course it matters, for some of us. seabeyond Apr 2015 #13

And there is nothing else besides foreign policy and trade issues? zappaman Apr 2015 #15

I really think we would still be arguing TTP nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #32

Well, glad you came back to tell us there is no difference between the parties. zappaman Apr 2015 #36

I did not quite say that nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #46

YES... we KNOW we are in an oligarchy and we do not need you to tells us we are. we also KNOW seabeyond Apr 2015 #48

To me it does not nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #51

all opinions are not fact. i am stating facts, to illustrate where you are flatly, wrong. seabeyond Apr 2015 #57

I am also stating a fact nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #65

again. no one is arguing oligarchy. we are arguing that this election matters. seabeyond Apr 2015 #72

And I disagree that the election itself matters in an oligarchy nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #78

i get you disagree. and i am saying, the supreme crt matter. you are saying it is minor. seabeyond Apr 2015 #80

In oligarchies the judicial system nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #83

yes. if we say stupid shit like there is no difference in the party. hence it making no sense seabeyond Apr 2015 #85

The differences are academic in big picture policies nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #94

yes. i know. my social issue are insignificant to YOU. i gotta that nadin. seabeyond Apr 2015 #102

I did not say that nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #107

first post. party/election does not matter. they only thing i hae called out, consistently, seabeyond Apr 2015 #108

Yes, it really does not matter nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #111

but... it matters in this election. you cannot deny. so MAYBE your sense of pure seabeyond Apr 2015 #114

Nah I am being consistent in calling what we live under nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #121

again. i do not give a shit about your oligarchy argument. i give a shit you telling me i do not seabeyond Apr 2015 #123

If you really give a shit about not mattering nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #127

oligarchy does piss me off. i address it regularly. that is what is so stupid. you are making me seabeyond Apr 2015 #128

Expense how? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #134

my gosh, really nadin? it is not like i have not repeated myself a number of times. telling me it seabeyond Apr 2015 #135

Well once again if you think I minimized your issuesq nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #136

lol. you stand with FACT, the supreme court nominations does not matter. seabeyond Apr 2015 #137

Again you misrepresent what I said nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #139

your words seabeyond Apr 2015 #140

Of course, this is an oligarchy nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #142

OMG... i am throwing at you, the incorrect OPINION that the election does not matter. seabeyond Apr 2015 #143

that is a SIMPLE fuckin' sentence to follow. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #144

And it does not matter in the big picture nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #145

i disagree about your assessment of what warrants a "big picture". nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #146

That is far better than trying to shame people nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #147

no. dismissing people. and you do it over and over. once again. your big picture so much larger seabeyond Apr 2015 #148

If I were dismissing you, I would not be nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #149

done. seabeyond Apr 2015 #150

Here's what you said... zappaman Apr 2015 #68

And I own it, becuase in oligarchies nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #71

So if it doesn't matter, what harm is there in voting...just in case? Laziness? randome Apr 2015 #158

If you bother with the full thread nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #161

so "perhaps" up to one million Iraqi souls would not have died? I'd say that matters zazen Apr 2015 #89

You get no argument from me on environmental issues nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #96

We had Saddam in a box with the no fly zones and sanctions regime. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #105

One of the greatest scholars in the world, that Princeton U. nt./ NCTraveler Apr 2015 #201

Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #204

. Agschmid Apr 2015 #7

some of us recognize the power in the balance of the supreme crt. the difference a vote will make seabeyond Apr 2015 #12

That is one minor aspect nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #17

in YOUR opinion it is minor. not all of us agree with you. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #23

And that is fine nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #43

so gracious to allow me to see the significance of the supreme court seabeyond Apr 2015 #47

Hey, they might shock me nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #50

look. honestly. i am really not interested in the rest of your story. telling me this race does NOT seabeyond Apr 2015 #52

So have a good day nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #56

interesting and that works for me. two different position. i can respect that, anyway. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #61

Yes, issues before the Supreme Court like equal rights for example are "minor". zappaman Apr 2015 #28

Yeah, but that just helps for distractions like equal rights for women and zappaman Apr 2015 #22

yes. and then my good friends who participate in this populist movement of theirs ask me WHERE i am seabeyond Apr 2015 #29

Can't you see, Sea? You're just a dividerer... boston bean Apr 2015 #37

i am the divider for not going to the back of the bus like a good, nice little girl? nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #41

pretty much.. in their eyes.. nt boston bean Apr 2015 #42

am i allowed to say.... NO! seabeyond Apr 2015 #49

If you want to remain a dividerer, boston bean Apr 2015 #53

except, from what i see, i have the power in my no. not the other way around. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #62

Right. boston bean Apr 2015 #66

of course. seabeyond Apr 2015 #73

You're kind of right, Nadin. We're stuck with two flavors of the same shit soda, it seems. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #16

Yup, reminds me of my voting days in Mexico nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #21

Yeah, both parties are the same. zappaman Apr 2015 #24

she is totally wrong too. see how that works? i do see how you walk the line though. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #31

It makes a huge difference for a gay person who wants to get married. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #34

Who cares about that stuff? zappaman Apr 2015 #38

yet... we have dems stating it is a minor matter. totally fuggin' amazing. surely, seabeyond Apr 2015 #40

They are ruling the right way on some social issues nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #55

I don't want to join in the "bashing"... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #100

I just posted that in my view nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #104

We have been ruled by elites since our founding. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #109

That noblese oblige disappeared a generation ago nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #112

No, all those topics are minor issues.... SidDithers Apr 2015 #64

Uff da! I have to wonder why you bother with a political forum MineralMan Apr 2015 #54

I bother with a few things that matter to me nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #59

I'm sorry, but when you say you don't care who is in the MineralMan Apr 2015 #67

And that is fine nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #69

... OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #156

I believe you are replying to the wrong post. MineralMan Apr 2015 #157

Not really. OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #186

I did ask the account to be closed nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #187

Bud? OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #188

Cute. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #189

You replied to a post of mine, quoting something MineralMan Apr 2015 #192

My mistake. OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #196

I keep finding this extremely cute nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #199

Telling people voting doesn't matter and both parties are the same is NOT cute. n/t zappaman Apr 2015 #200

If you bothered to read nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #205

Oh FFS... SidDithers Apr 2015 #58

Nam-myoho-renge-kyo! LuvLoogie Apr 2015 #131

The Republicans love you QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #197

Actually both would prefer that none of us voted nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #198

You can give up, or you can have hope QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #206

You got me there nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #207

To me, you seemed to indicate you had given up, I'm glad I was mistaken QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #208

And that is where we differ nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #209

Must we love Hillary, Chafee and Webb? I for one don't. Autumn Apr 2015 #3

Who said you had too. I assume most boston bean Apr 2015 #6

I simply answered your question with a question of my own. Autumn Apr 2015 #10

This thread is proof of the assertion that there is pressure to fall in line. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #74

fall in line? a democratic board, adn democrats saying, there is a difference in the parties. seabeyond Apr 2015 #75

Many comments imply that only Hillary cares about women, LGBT issues. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #82

i have no problems with ANY dem. i have a problem with populist party that tells me i do not matter seabeyond Apr 2015 #84

I certainly would, too, and would fight such comments or suggestions that you do not matter. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #88

you "kinda" agree and validated nadin. yet, she was stating we did not matter. calling out that seabeyond Apr 2015 #106

we have a populist party? and it's telling you you don't matter? ND-Dem Apr 2015 #191

The democrat in you that continually proclaims boston bean Apr 2015 #90

She is not, IMO, a Democrat and she will not get my vote, you are correct. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #93

LOL. boston bean Apr 2015 #95

My sentiments exactly. cui bono Apr 2015 #126

Hillary has a record on social issues, a good one, but that's not all that's important. Autumn Apr 2015 #97

hence, me welcoming all dems and an independent to hear what they have to say. without throwing seabeyond Apr 2015 #113

There is no reason for us to throw anyone here under the bus. We are Liberals Autumn Apr 2015 #116

you and i agree. and i will repeat. i have no problem with any of the dems. it is populist party seabeyond Apr 2015 #117

I would have a problem with any party or poster telling me my issues don't matter Autumn Apr 2015 #120

thank you autumn. that is all, lol. i appreciate it. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #124

Neither Webb nor Chafee have officially announced. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #4

LOL I was thinking either bb was the only one to have heard OR cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #14

I believe Lincoln Chafee had announced he's running on CNN last Thursday. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #19

Notice I said, "officially". He informally stated his intent (and Webb is exploring his FSogol Apr 2015 #77

True. But Chafee, imo, has all but officially announced since he did it publicly, BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #81

Out of all of those candidates, O'Malley is the only one playing the long game. FSogol Apr 2015 #103

Warren hasn't "officially" announced and people are happy to support her... brooklynite Apr 2015 #159

Exactly! eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #162

They can't get anyone they like to run, so that only leaves them one thing to do. William769 Apr 2015 #8

"Wished I saw this much enthusiasm going after the Republican side." FSogol Apr 2015 #18

+1. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #20

No kidding. zappaman Apr 2015 #26

Sad, isn't it? Those people believe everything is about them, not the country. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #27

+1 we can do it Apr 2015 #30

+ 1 brazillian. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #33

Remember what I said earlier. William769 Apr 2015 #35

Oh yes. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #39

Whatever. zappaman Apr 2015 #60

Why worry their beautiful principled minds boston bean Apr 2015 #76

lol lol. so fuggin perfectly cool. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #44

... greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #45

Right , now there are two more "choices" to support treestar Apr 2015 #99

And I truly wonder why that is. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #164

Oh gawd. Wish I saw concern for true Democratic values and principles. cui bono Apr 2015 #129

when you ignore 80% of the democratic value, it is easy ot not see seabeyond Apr 2015 #130

I don't understand what you're getting at. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #132

Working to build support from the ground up for a challenger is hard work. NYC Liberal Apr 2015 #153

Yep. nt onehandle Apr 2015 #193

I missed the Jim Webb announcement... link? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #25

Um... waiting for some policy specifics before professing my love whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #63

I'm glad they are in. I don't care for Webb, don't know enough to say about Chafee... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #70

sitting with the position that so many do not matter, in our political party, simply seabeyond Apr 2015 #79

Welcome, Chafee and Webb! Mike Nelson Apr 2015 #86

When? Where? LWolf Apr 2015 #87

Great! Democracy in Action. Octafish Apr 2015 #91

That doesn't matter Octa whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #92

I'm giving Chaffee a "maybe". Webb a "not likely". Hillary a "no sale". Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #98

why the HELL can't Chafee or Webb or Clinton run as a Republican? zazen Apr 2015 #101

Chaffee has announced his candidacy. Webb announced an exploratory committee. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #110

No. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #118

Yes. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #122

Those are the only votes she cast and the only votes he cast DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #125

And all that has transpired since for both is more relevant than a decades-old voting record. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #138

All I know is Chafee became a Democrat after his approval ratings sank to 22% DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #141

So your argument is that because there may be candidates to the right of Hillary we should be happy cui bono Apr 2015 #115

Maybe people think they are more liberal. boston bean Apr 2015 #119

So what was the point of your OP then? cui bono Apr 2015 #133

Who in their right mind would think Webb TBF Apr 2015 #154

i don't even think most of them actually support Elizabeth Warren JI7 Apr 2015 #151

Warren should be announcing any day now she is running. zappaman Apr 2015 #152

Entitled? I love Skittles! MineralMan Apr 2015 #160

Funny Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #170

Obviously you forgot to wear these when catching skittles out of a unicorns ass. zappaman Apr 2015 #171

I thought maybe tobasco sauce would help Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #173

Sriracha makes EVERYTHING better. zappaman Apr 2015 #180

You know zappa, i respect you, we go way back you and I.. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #176

I'm not backing anyone yet. zappaman Apr 2015 #181

I don't think Liz Warren is running, either. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #182

Can't argue with that. zappaman Apr 2015 #183

Hillary DeMontague doesn't really have much of a ring to it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #184

All "the love" is already backing Bernie Sanders. Perfect on social issues and not owned Zorra Apr 2015 #155

Do we have a Senate liberal enough to support him? No? Then he'd be just another lame-duck, one-term BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #169

By that line of thinking: Because the current Senate is not liberal enough to support Zorra Apr 2015 #194

*Your* "line of thinking" is *way off*. President Obama compromises with Congress BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #195

Many are still holding out for Warren LittleBlue Apr 2015 #163

"holding out for Warren" BainsBane Apr 2015 #165

Who is creating a smokescreen? nt LittleBlue Apr 2015 #166

People who don't actually want to see BainsBane Apr 2015 #174

Warren supporters are stealth Republicans, then? nt LittleBlue Apr 2015 #178

No, it's not a smokescreen, it's called a primary process. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #168

Right, because holding out a candidate who has repeatedly said they won't run BainsBane Apr 2015 #172

"i realize you think----"... she says, followed by something she made up out of thin air Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #175

I'm waiting to hear substantive policy positions from all of them. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #167

It's not possible they are to the right of Clinton BainsBane Apr 2015 #177

Webb announced? Don't think so onenote Apr 2015 #179

A former Rethug customerserviceguy Apr 2015 #185

Democrats who are to the right of Hillary? Jim Lane Apr 2015 #190

Yay Chafee! KamaAina Apr 2015 #202

You're asking where's the love for Proud Public Servant Apr 2015 #203

Do they get fonts too? philosslayer Apr 2015 #210