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DemocratSinceBirth

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100. I don't want to join in the "bashing"...

Sun Apr 19, 2015, 03:01 PM

Apr 2015

You just posted in the wrong thread because the argument that both parties are the same and if you disagree you're a "turd wayer" or a "corporatist tool" is very much in vogue here.

There's this meme that the Democratic party was a some sort of socialist party that was hijacked by folks who wanted to turn it right. If that was the case why hasn't one of our presidents called himself a socialist or put forth socialist policies? I always see FDR cited in these conversations. FDR wasn't a socialist...He saved capitalism from itself.

The Democratic party is what it was; a catch all , big tent, left of center party.

That's an empirical observation and not a normative one.

The current crop of radical Republicans want to eliminate the welfare state. They want to turn Food Stamps and Medicaid into a block grant. That leaves poor and working class folks to the tender mercies state government, most of which are Republican. They want to turn Medicare into a voucher program. That leaves older folks at the tender mercies of insurance companies. They want to eliminate the ACA subsidies leaving some lower middle class folks with no insurance at all...

These are big deals.

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Chafee and Webb announced. [View all] boston bean Apr 2015 OP

There are some of us who really do not give a shit nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #1

"There are some of us who really do not give a shit who is in the White House." sufrommich Apr 2015 #2

Hey I did not give a shit who was in Los Pinos either nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #5

Yeah right. zappaman Apr 2015 #9

In certain policies, nope not a one nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #11

you did not say "certain" policy, just that it didnt matter. of course it matters, for some of us. seabeyond Apr 2015 #13

And there is nothing else besides foreign policy and trade issues? zappaman Apr 2015 #15

I really think we would still be arguing TTP nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #32

Well, glad you came back to tell us there is no difference between the parties. zappaman Apr 2015 #36

I did not quite say that nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #46

YES... we KNOW we are in an oligarchy and we do not need you to tells us we are. we also KNOW seabeyond Apr 2015 #48

To me it does not nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #51

all opinions are not fact. i am stating facts, to illustrate where you are flatly, wrong. seabeyond Apr 2015 #57

I am also stating a fact nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #65

again. no one is arguing oligarchy. we are arguing that this election matters. seabeyond Apr 2015 #72

And I disagree that the election itself matters in an oligarchy nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #78

i get you disagree. and i am saying, the supreme crt matter. you are saying it is minor. seabeyond Apr 2015 #80

In oligarchies the judicial system nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #83

yes. if we say stupid shit like there is no difference in the party. hence it making no sense seabeyond Apr 2015 #85

The differences are academic in big picture policies nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #94

yes. i know. my social issue are insignificant to YOU. i gotta that nadin. seabeyond Apr 2015 #102

I did not say that nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #107

first post. party/election does not matter. they only thing i hae called out, consistently, seabeyond Apr 2015 #108

Yes, it really does not matter nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #111

but... it matters in this election. you cannot deny. so MAYBE your sense of pure seabeyond Apr 2015 #114

Nah I am being consistent in calling what we live under nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #121

again. i do not give a shit about your oligarchy argument. i give a shit you telling me i do not seabeyond Apr 2015 #123

If you really give a shit about not mattering nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #127

oligarchy does piss me off. i address it regularly. that is what is so stupid. you are making me seabeyond Apr 2015 #128

Expense how? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #134

my gosh, really nadin? it is not like i have not repeated myself a number of times. telling me it seabeyond Apr 2015 #135

Well once again if you think I minimized your issuesq nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #136

lol. you stand with FACT, the supreme court nominations does not matter. seabeyond Apr 2015 #137

Again you misrepresent what I said nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #139

your words seabeyond Apr 2015 #140

Of course, this is an oligarchy nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #142

OMG... i am throwing at you, the incorrect OPINION that the election does not matter. seabeyond Apr 2015 #143

that is a SIMPLE fuckin' sentence to follow. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #144

And it does not matter in the big picture nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #145

i disagree about your assessment of what warrants a "big picture". nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #146

That is far better than trying to shame people nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #147

no. dismissing people. and you do it over and over. once again. your big picture so much larger seabeyond Apr 2015 #148

If I were dismissing you, I would not be nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #149

done. seabeyond Apr 2015 #150

Here's what you said... zappaman Apr 2015 #68

And I own it, becuase in oligarchies nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #71

So if it doesn't matter, what harm is there in voting...just in case? Laziness? randome Apr 2015 #158

If you bother with the full thread nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #161

so "perhaps" up to one million Iraqi souls would not have died? I'd say that matters zazen Apr 2015 #89

You get no argument from me on environmental issues nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #96

We had Saddam in a box with the no fly zones and sanctions regime. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #105

One of the greatest scholars in the world, that Princeton U. nt./ NCTraveler Apr 2015 #201

Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #204

. Agschmid Apr 2015 #7

some of us recognize the power in the balance of the supreme crt. the difference a vote will make seabeyond Apr 2015 #12

That is one minor aspect nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #17

in YOUR opinion it is minor. not all of us agree with you. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #23

And that is fine nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #43

so gracious to allow me to see the significance of the supreme court seabeyond Apr 2015 #47

Hey, they might shock me nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #50

look. honestly. i am really not interested in the rest of your story. telling me this race does NOT seabeyond Apr 2015 #52

So have a good day nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #56

interesting and that works for me. two different position. i can respect that, anyway. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #61

Yes, issues before the Supreme Court like equal rights for example are "minor". zappaman Apr 2015 #28

Yeah, but that just helps for distractions like equal rights for women and zappaman Apr 2015 #22

yes. and then my good friends who participate in this populist movement of theirs ask me WHERE i am seabeyond Apr 2015 #29

Can't you see, Sea? You're just a dividerer... boston bean Apr 2015 #37

i am the divider for not going to the back of the bus like a good, nice little girl? nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #41

pretty much.. in their eyes.. nt boston bean Apr 2015 #42

am i allowed to say.... NO! seabeyond Apr 2015 #49

If you want to remain a dividerer, boston bean Apr 2015 #53

except, from what i see, i have the power in my no. not the other way around. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #62

Right. boston bean Apr 2015 #66

of course. seabeyond Apr 2015 #73

You're kind of right, Nadin. We're stuck with two flavors of the same shit soda, it seems. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #16

Yup, reminds me of my voting days in Mexico nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #21

Yeah, both parties are the same. zappaman Apr 2015 #24

she is totally wrong too. see how that works? i do see how you walk the line though. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #31

It makes a huge difference for a gay person who wants to get married. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #34

Who cares about that stuff? zappaman Apr 2015 #38

yet... we have dems stating it is a minor matter. totally fuggin' amazing. surely, seabeyond Apr 2015 #40

They are ruling the right way on some social issues nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #55

I don't want to join in the "bashing"... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #100

I just posted that in my view nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #104

We have been ruled by elites since our founding. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #109

That noblese oblige disappeared a generation ago nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #112

No, all those topics are minor issues.... SidDithers Apr 2015 #64

Uff da! I have to wonder why you bother with a political forum MineralMan Apr 2015 #54

I bother with a few things that matter to me nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #59

I'm sorry, but when you say you don't care who is in the MineralMan Apr 2015 #67

And that is fine nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #69

... OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #156

I believe you are replying to the wrong post. MineralMan Apr 2015 #157

Not really. OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #186

I did ask the account to be closed nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #187

Bud? OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #188

Cute. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #189

You replied to a post of mine, quoting something MineralMan Apr 2015 #192

My mistake. OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #196

I keep finding this extremely cute nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #199

Telling people voting doesn't matter and both parties are the same is NOT cute. n/t zappaman Apr 2015 #200

If you bothered to read nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #205

Oh FFS... SidDithers Apr 2015 #58

Nam-myoho-renge-kyo! LuvLoogie Apr 2015 #131

The Republicans love you QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #197

Actually both would prefer that none of us voted nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #198

You can give up, or you can have hope QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #206

You got me there nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #207

To me, you seemed to indicate you had given up, I'm glad I was mistaken QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #208

And that is where we differ nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #209

Must we love Hillary, Chafee and Webb? I for one don't. Autumn Apr 2015 #3

Who said you had too. I assume most boston bean Apr 2015 #6

I simply answered your question with a question of my own. Autumn Apr 2015 #10

This thread is proof of the assertion that there is pressure to fall in line. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #74

fall in line? a democratic board, adn democrats saying, there is a difference in the parties. seabeyond Apr 2015 #75

Many comments imply that only Hillary cares about women, LGBT issues. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #82

i have no problems with ANY dem. i have a problem with populist party that tells me i do not matter seabeyond Apr 2015 #84

I certainly would, too, and would fight such comments or suggestions that you do not matter. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #88

you "kinda" agree and validated nadin. yet, she was stating we did not matter. calling out that seabeyond Apr 2015 #106

we have a populist party? and it's telling you you don't matter? ND-Dem Apr 2015 #191

The democrat in you that continually proclaims boston bean Apr 2015 #90

She is not, IMO, a Democrat and she will not get my vote, you are correct. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #93

LOL. boston bean Apr 2015 #95

My sentiments exactly. cui bono Apr 2015 #126

Hillary has a record on social issues, a good one, but that's not all that's important. Autumn Apr 2015 #97

hence, me welcoming all dems and an independent to hear what they have to say. without throwing seabeyond Apr 2015 #113

There is no reason for us to throw anyone here under the bus. We are Liberals Autumn Apr 2015 #116

you and i agree. and i will repeat. i have no problem with any of the dems. it is populist party seabeyond Apr 2015 #117

I would have a problem with any party or poster telling me my issues don't matter Autumn Apr 2015 #120

thank you autumn. that is all, lol. i appreciate it. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #124

Neither Webb nor Chafee have officially announced. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #4

LOL I was thinking either bb was the only one to have heard OR cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #14

I believe Lincoln Chafee had announced he's running on CNN last Thursday. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #19

Notice I said, "officially". He informally stated his intent (and Webb is exploring his FSogol Apr 2015 #77

True. But Chafee, imo, has all but officially announced since he did it publicly, BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #81

Out of all of those candidates, O'Malley is the only one playing the long game. FSogol Apr 2015 #103

Warren hasn't "officially" announced and people are happy to support her... brooklynite Apr 2015 #159

Exactly! eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #162

They can't get anyone they like to run, so that only leaves them one thing to do. William769 Apr 2015 #8

"Wished I saw this much enthusiasm going after the Republican side." FSogol Apr 2015 #18

+1. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #20

No kidding. zappaman Apr 2015 #26

Sad, isn't it? Those people believe everything is about them, not the country. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #27

+1 we can do it Apr 2015 #30

+ 1 brazillian. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #33

Remember what I said earlier. William769 Apr 2015 #35

Oh yes. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #39

Whatever. zappaman Apr 2015 #60

Why worry their beautiful principled minds boston bean Apr 2015 #76

lol lol. so fuggin perfectly cool. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #44

... greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #45

Right , now there are two more "choices" to support treestar Apr 2015 #99

And I truly wonder why that is. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #164

Oh gawd. Wish I saw concern for true Democratic values and principles. cui bono Apr 2015 #129

when you ignore 80% of the democratic value, it is easy ot not see seabeyond Apr 2015 #130

I don't understand what you're getting at. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #132

Working to build support from the ground up for a challenger is hard work. NYC Liberal Apr 2015 #153

Yep. nt onehandle Apr 2015 #193

I missed the Jim Webb announcement... link? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #25

Um... waiting for some policy specifics before professing my love whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #63

I'm glad they are in. I don't care for Webb, don't know enough to say about Chafee... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #70

sitting with the position that so many do not matter, in our political party, simply seabeyond Apr 2015 #79

Welcome, Chafee and Webb! Mike Nelson Apr 2015 #86

When? Where? LWolf Apr 2015 #87

Great! Democracy in Action. Octafish Apr 2015 #91

That doesn't matter Octa whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #92

I'm giving Chaffee a "maybe". Webb a "not likely". Hillary a "no sale". Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #98

why the HELL can't Chafee or Webb or Clinton run as a Republican? zazen Apr 2015 #101

Chaffee has announced his candidacy. Webb announced an exploratory committee. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #110

No. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #118

Yes. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #122

Those are the only votes she cast and the only votes he cast DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #125

And all that has transpired since for both is more relevant than a decades-old voting record. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #138

All I know is Chafee became a Democrat after his approval ratings sank to 22% DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #141

So your argument is that because there may be candidates to the right of Hillary we should be happy cui bono Apr 2015 #115

Maybe people think they are more liberal. boston bean Apr 2015 #119

So what was the point of your OP then? cui bono Apr 2015 #133

Who in their right mind would think Webb TBF Apr 2015 #154

i don't even think most of them actually support Elizabeth Warren JI7 Apr 2015 #151

Warren should be announcing any day now she is running. zappaman Apr 2015 #152

Entitled? I love Skittles! MineralMan Apr 2015 #160

Funny Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #170

Obviously you forgot to wear these when catching skittles out of a unicorns ass. zappaman Apr 2015 #171

I thought maybe tobasco sauce would help Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #173

Sriracha makes EVERYTHING better. zappaman Apr 2015 #180

You know zappa, i respect you, we go way back you and I.. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #176

I'm not backing anyone yet. zappaman Apr 2015 #181

I don't think Liz Warren is running, either. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #182

Can't argue with that. zappaman Apr 2015 #183

Hillary DeMontague doesn't really have much of a ring to it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #184

All "the love" is already backing Bernie Sanders. Perfect on social issues and not owned Zorra Apr 2015 #155

Do we have a Senate liberal enough to support him? No? Then he'd be just another lame-duck, one-term BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #169

By that line of thinking: Because the current Senate is not liberal enough to support Zorra Apr 2015 #194

*Your* "line of thinking" is *way off*. President Obama compromises with Congress BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #195

Many are still holding out for Warren LittleBlue Apr 2015 #163

"holding out for Warren" BainsBane Apr 2015 #165

Who is creating a smokescreen? nt LittleBlue Apr 2015 #166

People who don't actually want to see BainsBane Apr 2015 #174

Warren supporters are stealth Republicans, then? nt LittleBlue Apr 2015 #178

No, it's not a smokescreen, it's called a primary process. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #168

Right, because holding out a candidate who has repeatedly said they won't run BainsBane Apr 2015 #172

"i realize you think----"... she says, followed by something she made up out of thin air Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #175

I'm waiting to hear substantive policy positions from all of them. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #167

It's not possible they are to the right of Clinton BainsBane Apr 2015 #177

Webb announced? Don't think so onenote Apr 2015 #179

A former Rethug customerserviceguy Apr 2015 #185

Democrats who are to the right of Hillary? Jim Lane Apr 2015 #190

Yay Chafee! KamaAina Apr 2015 #202

You're asking where's the love for Proud Public Servant Apr 2015 #203

Do they get fonts too? philosslayer Apr 2015 #210