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Jackpine Radical

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59. Well, who really knows? But I think Liz is very reluctant to run

Sun Apr 19, 2015, 09:43 PM

Apr 2015

simply because she's a team player, with a fully-functioning sense of humility, who just moved onto the block & she really doesn't want to blow her team's chances with some kind of ego-run. That's just not her. As long as things stay more-or-less on course for the Dems to have a decent shot at the WH, my bet is that she will stay out.

However--and I say this with almost a premonitory foreboding--I'm not at all sure Hillary will be a viable candidate by a year from now in the Primaries. I think O'Malley & Webb are angling around to be the backup candidate if Hillary becomes unavailable for any reason, be it health, scandal (real or otherwise), some new nonsense from Slick Willie, or whatever. As to what Liz might choose to do in that environment, your guess is as good as mine.

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Campaign 2016: Hillary Clinton's Fake Populism Is a Hit - Matt Taibbi/RollingStone [View all] WillyT Apr 2015 OP

I may be wrong but I honestly don't believe I am, I have complete faith in her ability to set AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #1

Ach, du lieber Gott! Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #4

I don't really believe in god AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #16

evidently: people often have their faith in God shaken and questioned MisterP Apr 2015 #81

? Not sure what gave you the idea that I had faith that was shaken concerning what some call God AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #83

depends on who your god is ND-Dem Apr 2015 #93

I guess.. AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #146

There are some who if they don't like what you said in a post,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #183

what in her economic record leads you to that belief? cali Apr 2015 #8

A very interesting article... AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #19

that's not even about HRC cali Apr 2015 #92

It absolutely strikes a cord concerning her and others economic stance In the political realm AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #149

She wants to raise taxes on the wealthy far more than any other candidate. Cryptoad Apr 2015 #145

And you have some documentation for that claim? bvar22 Apr 2015 #150

No need to cite "common knowledge" Cryptoad Apr 2015 #170

I provided facts. bvar22 Apr 2015 #175

so do tell, which GOP candidate's position is more progressive Cryptoad Apr 2015 #182

Oh , Come On Toad, bvar22 Apr 2015 #184

got nuttin? Cryptoad Apr 2015 #185

Are you saying she wants to more than Bernie or Elizabeth. donnasgirl Apr 2015 #157

Of course not... Cryptoad Apr 2015 #168

I agree with Elizabeth donnasgirl Apr 2015 #169

I do too,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #171

I may not have already won the Publisher's Clearinghouse Grand Prize...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #49

Cute ;) hope you get your money;) AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #64

Was that a double entendre? Martin Eden Apr 2015 #53

Good one ;) AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #66

What lies? She didn't lie. She acknowledged. Why the purist bit huh. bjobotts Apr 2015 #60

I'm impressed that you know actual politicians that are 100 percent truthful, could you share info? AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #68

you really whupped the shit outta that strawman.. frylock Apr 2015 #134

Bernie Sanders comes as close to that standard as any. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #147

You see that's where we should all stop and take a real look around us..how many of us actually AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #151

Have you watched Bernie Sanders? JDPriestly Apr 2015 #156

Bad Move billhicks76 Apr 2015 #76

I will agree to disagree.. And hope your wrong ;) AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #84

+1 n/t MissDeeds Apr 2015 #85

I live in Iowa…here is the deal... CoffeeCat Apr 2015 #132

A hearty concurrence from this Iowan. Skidmore Apr 2015 #152

Make This An Op-Ed Piece billhicks76 Apr 2015 #158

READ THIS Agony Apr 2015 #167

Sorry but it doesn't even pass the most basic logic test. She is a member in great standing rhett o rick Apr 2015 #129

I felt the same way about President Obama... truebrit71 Apr 2015 #160

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #161

"Faith" is belief without evidence. hifiguy Apr 2015 #173

Folksy with a wink wink to Wall Street. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #2

What could be better? Enthusiast Apr 2015 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #3

The problem is that sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #5

What sexist garbage bluestateguy Apr 2015 #6

Excuse Me... I Must Have Missed It... But Where Did The Sexist Part Come In ??? WillyT Apr 2015 #9

She's a woman. Taibbi made her Look Bad. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #21

And there it is. Autumn Apr 2015 #29

Nailed it. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #73

Matt can take it DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #87

what is sexist about it? cali Apr 2015 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #14

As sure as eggs is eggs. nt hifiguy Apr 2015 #20

Eggs is misogyny IronLionZion Apr 2015 #201

Good that they're getting their practice in on us. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #22

Yep MissDeeds Apr 2015 #80

LMFAO ...fail L0oniX Apr 2015 #25

Thanks for the laugh. n/t brentspeak Apr 2015 #26

Hmm... it IS sexist to regard her views as beyond criticism just because she is a woman. arcane1 Apr 2015 #32

Those...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #48

"Hillary's devotion to the unwashed. " BeanMusical Apr 2015 #78

critizing a woman now sexist. kind of like in 1890. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #94

Your contribution is to call someone sexist? That's all you have? Nothing substantive? rhett o rick Apr 2015 #128

bit early in the game for accusations of -ism, isn't it? frylock Apr 2015 #135

Her "populism" is as phony as a three-dollar bill hifiguy Apr 2015 #7

Hillary's new-found populism seems phony only cuz she's new to it. With a little practice, perhaps it will come across a bit more sincere & Elizabeth-esque. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #58

Get your $3 Nixon bills right here Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #107

LOL! Haven't seen that graphic since hifiguy Apr 2015 #140

She can talk her Populism talk all she wants. It rings hollow and I don't think Autumn Apr 2015 #11

Practice makes perfect. No doubt, the hundreds of consultants Hillary had hired will help as she works on her populism schtik... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #62

So we are subject to fake reporting of Hillary's agenda, accept she will try to change some of the Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #12

she is center right on economic issues. accept that Fact cali Apr 2015 #18

That is your opinion, it is not my opinion. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #31

isn't it also your opinion that social security disability is populated by fraudulent claims ND-Dem Apr 2015 #95

Why let facts get in the way cali? haha...when Hillary can just ignore them and pretend to be somebody she's not. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #65

Did you read article, pretty interesting and speaks to your subject at hand.... AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #70

The money quote: Maedhros Apr 2015 #13

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Apr 2015 #24

NO kidding. Like it's pulled straight from the posts of the Fan Club Doctor_J Apr 2015 #38

+10000000000000000 woo me with science Apr 2015 #44

elegy reddread Apr 2015 #50

+1000 nt abelenkpe Apr 2015 #91

+1 million and a half. yes, very familiar from DU. talking point central, call the number. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #96

Yep - this is the pony shit. polichick Apr 2015 #105

Truth at last. Couldn't have said it any better. whereisjustice Apr 2015 #109

Yep. nt raouldukelives Apr 2015 #133

+ 1,000,000,000 - Perfect !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #196

She is a fake. I can't ever vote for her. Arcadiasix Apr 2015 #15

So, if she is the Democratic nominee for President in 2016, who will you vote for? blue neen Apr 2015 #86

Still waiting. blue neen Apr 2015 #90

I will never vote fot her. If there is a progressive on teh ballot I will vot for that one if not I Arcadiasix Apr 2015 #99

You're saying if it all comes down to Hillary Clinton vs. , say Jeb Bush then you will not vote. blue neen Apr 2015 #108

Two possibilities, I think... Adrahil Apr 2015 #120

I would vote for her in the general election. But when I attend my state's caucus totodeinhere Apr 2015 #139

An even better quote: Maedhros Apr 2015 #17

And that quote nails it. zeemike Apr 2015 #52

Well, who really knows? But I think Liz is very reluctant to run Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #59

Well I don't know that either. zeemike Apr 2015 #82

I think she's reluctant to run because she's not prepared, not interested in the job, and they'd eat MADem Apr 2015 #131

Hillary has been vetted, bvar22 Apr 2015 #162

Who's "we all?" Plenty of people don't share your view. MADem Apr 2015 #166

You're right. I was presumptive. bvar22 Apr 2015 #178

So, you're saying the guy who posted MADem Apr 2015 #187

I respond in kind. EOM. bvar22 Apr 2015 #190

I merely asked you a question--and you didn't/couldn't respond to it. MADem Apr 2015 #200

The.... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #202

I think she listened rather than talked magical thyme Apr 2015 #102

if Hillary can mobilize the base that will be great. nashville_brook Apr 2015 #23

Agree, but pushing back the skeptism AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #27

I am told by many here Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #30

I would wonder about that persons true agenda that would tell you that AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #34

and they're all farrrrr lefffft. which means they are interested in economic issues and thus ND-Dem Apr 2015 #97

Hillary(Harold) Hill pushing band uniforms... yourout Apr 2015 #28

I never realized that was Buddy Hackett until now BlueStreak Apr 2015 #36

Our middle son was one of the barbershop guys in the high school musical. yourout Apr 2015 #39

He sang "Shipoopi" in the movie! SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2015 #176

What an extravaganza. I hadn't seen that in over 40 years. BlueStreak Apr 2015 #205

Anybody who believes that B.S is really gullible. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #74

Oh DON'T READ TAIBBI...the hits on his articles just make him feel right! HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #33

It is smart. Americans of all stripes support liberal positions about 60-75% BlueStreak Apr 2015 #35

another good one from Mr. Tiabbi! m-lekktor Apr 2015 #37

who cares if its fake or not woolldog Apr 2015 #40

I, for one- care. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #45

we will lose if she does, woolldog Apr 2015 #47

We've already lost if we continue on this course. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #56

Hear, hear. woo me with science Apr 2015 #63

. arcane1 Apr 2015 #57

Everyone needs to shut up and get behind hillary. frylock Apr 2015 #136

I'm not quite ready to reduce it to that common denominator just yet. totodeinhere Apr 2015 #141

I've never heard a more cogent and convincing political argument LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #142

! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #41

Matt Taibbi also said that presidential candidate John Kerry was stiff and boring. PBass Apr 2015 #42

Shit, he is!!! Stiff as a fucking board. n/t DeSwiss Apr 2015 #46

Kerry was stiff, boring, and in 100% agreement that we should invade Iraq. arcane1 Apr 2015 #61

Worse yet, he's a vicious shill for the Corporate Oligarchy Demeter Apr 2015 #123

He has verbally attacked Venezuela and its democratically elected government... bvar22 Apr 2015 #192

Yeah, but he was stiff and boring until he was - or wasn't- or whatever. Fuddnik Apr 2015 #67

Matt was right about Kerry. 840high Apr 2015 #69

"How's the weather in Boston today, Senator Kerry?" Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #98

.....! KoKo Apr 2015 #118

^ This is brilliant! ^ RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #130

Some love for the Major today. SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2015 #177

Kerry was stiff and boring. magical thyme Apr 2015 #104

So you are saying he was dead on accurate then? LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #144

Plastic populism. Quid pro quo populism. JEB Apr 2015 #43

FINALLY! Two plus two equals four! woo me with science Apr 2015 #51

Because Republicans anti-populist rhetoric is terrifying. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #54

K&R and To the Greatest Page. woo me with science Apr 2015 #55

+several brazillion Demeter Apr 2015 #124

It's not fake. KMOD Apr 2015 #71

Sorry.... Pauldg47 Apr 2015 #88

No, I'm not wrong. KMOD Apr 2015 #89

if you define "true blue liberal" as pro-war, pro-Wall Street and pro-TPP magical thyme Apr 2015 #106

Matt Taibbi is a... one_voice Apr 2015 #72

Taibbi hates Rand Paul betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #103

Some people here use the word 'libertarian' like teabaggers use 'socialist." QC Apr 2015 #116

I know, right?... one_voice Apr 2015 #126

That's what happens when you assume... one_voice Apr 2015 #125

lololol - And Greenwald is a poopy head! whereisjustice Apr 2015 #113

As we post to this thread Hillary Clinton is still carefully considering how she feels... raindaddy Apr 2015 #75

Just a thought Thespian2 Apr 2015 #77

Kick and R. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #79

Oops, forgot to rec. Thanks so much, Willy. I have a small confession to make cali Apr 2015 #100

HRC - Hope And Change Redux - America Never Seems To Learn cantbeserious Apr 2015 #101

Oh look... An Obama hater.... How quaint. n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #121

the fuck? frylock Apr 2015 #137

I second that. bvar22 Apr 2015 #193

Kicked and recommended several million. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #110

Truckers on I-80, lol. I'm sure that went over well. Remember Romney's "I like grits, y'all" moment? whereisjustice Apr 2015 #112

K&R..... daleanime Apr 2015 #114

K&R! Big time! marym625 Apr 2015 #115

You have to admit, it took years in the making, but we have a genuine McCandidate. So patently whereisjustice Apr 2015 #117

So krool, so krool Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #127

There are few good journalists left and he is one Fearless Apr 2015 #119

I'm expecting... Dopers_Greed Apr 2015 #122

"....the tax break "sounds" unfair, but that if you look at the details..." Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #138

The Golden Rule... kentuck Apr 2015 #143

good article. we need more cleaning, less wax & polish. NuttyFluffers Apr 2015 #148

I wish I had the time to tally all the Anti-Hillary-Clinton discussions started on this site, but... George II Apr 2015 #153

Theater? Maybe. I'm encouraged that all the candidates are playing the same movie. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #154

Thank You, OWS. bvar22 Apr 2015 #208

Exactly. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #209

I'm on the fence about Hillary Clinton personally, but it has to be said: Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #155

Populism has nearly always been fake BainsBane Apr 2015 #159

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #163

Che was not a populist BainsBane Apr 2015 #165

Eh. i disagree with Taibbi, here. I give her props just for bringing it up. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #164

That's the problem... MellowDem Apr 2015 #179

Okay, but at this point in time in this particular universe, the only two options are Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #180

I'd rather she bring it up... MellowDem Apr 2015 #181

I'm Ready For Oligarchy cantbeserious Apr 2015 #172

That. Is. Fucking. Perfect. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #191

+ 1,000,000,000 - Perfect !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #195

Love it! truebrit71 Apr 2015 #198

I don't think it's fake at all MaggieD Apr 2015 #174

No. bvar22 Apr 2015 #189

Which policies, specifically? MaggieD Apr 2015 #207

IF Hillary were to actively disown Bill'smistakes DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #204

Why does she need to? MaggieD Apr 2015 #206

The Clintons are unique in American History. bvar22 Apr 2015 #210

That's not a good justification MaggieD Apr 2015 #211

Had Hillary been the 2 for 1 President of the 90s who championed Free TRade, bvar22 Apr 2015 #212

Pick up a history book MaggieD Apr 2015 #215

because, if we do not like what Bill has done DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #213

It's totally sexist.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #214

Sexist to say DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #216

No. It is sexist to assume she doesn't.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #217

I do belive she has her own positions DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #218

She does say them and pretty much always has MaggieD Apr 2015 #219

I love Taibbi....he's the best... trumad Apr 2015 #186

Perhaps Hillary is all we can hope for at this point. All we can do is cross our fingers that she YOHABLO Apr 2015 #188

I'm calling it..Hillary in a landslide workinclasszero Apr 2015 #194

Bookmarking! LOVE ME some Matt Taibbi!!! He's Always Spot ON! 2banon Apr 2015 #197

For someone who is suppsed to be a liberal Bartlet Apr 2015 #199

Pssst... I Wouldn't Use The B-Word If I Were You... WillyT Apr 2015 #203