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KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
50. Might As Well Scrap The Whole Thing...
Mon May 7, 2012, 03:43 PM
May 2012

I understand the frustrations...I have a lifetime of them of people voting against their own interests. But I don't wear tin foil hats and see everything as some fascist/corporate plot. The legislative system can and does work if those on this side of the sandbox are willing to get "dirty" and learn how to game the system just as the right wingers have been able to do since the late 70s. They work to get people on school boards and build up party organizations that gave them a power base to grow from. It's not sexy and it takes time but if Progressive ideals are to move forward in this country it has to be a political grassroots movement that forces those within the Democratic party to move more towards our common goals and objectives. It's been Progressive gains on the state level that have brought progress in MMJ and decriminalization efforts. If it can be done in places like Colorado and Vermont, it can be done elsewhere and should. Get enough states to decriminalize and it becomes the catalyst for change on the national level.

You are right that many people would benefit from decriminilzation...and there is merit to the many PTB that profit from keeping it illegal and/or maintaining prisons for profit, but one must believe that in people there is strength. Is that not what OWS is supposed to be? Change won't come from sitting on a street corner and yelling...it will be showing up in numbers on election day. Then it requires follow up...holding those politicians accountable. By ignoring the system you give power to those who you are fighting against.

Cheers...

The marijuana issue though represents a lot of the same general political contradictions Lionessa May 2012 #1
I think it reflects a contradiction between what was said and what some people thought was said. TheWraith May 2012 #43
Wow, such spin. So you're okay with Candidate Obama parsing his words to appear to mean something Lionessa May 2012 #47
Yep. Well explained. whatchamacallit May 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Codeine May 2012 #2
From a casual reading of GD edhopper May 2012 #3
Can I have some of what you're smoking? Kind Bud May 2012 #4
Oh my...you think marihuana has nothing to do with foreign policy? nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #5
The War on Drugs, especially cannabis, contributes hugely to the murders in Mexico duhneece May 2012 #54
Medical Marijuana or for that matter the legalization of cannabis are issues that influence Uncle Joe May 2012 #6
Realistically, pot is NOT going to be legalized in the foreseeable future. Bake May 2012 #9
I believe that depends on your age, if you're past 90 probably not but most Uncle Joe May 2012 #15
I tend to agree with you, but I can't put a figure on it. Bake May 2012 #16
Even when it's about medical marijuana, it's not. randome May 2012 #7
Fully half the country wants to legalize it right now... Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #13
+1 Imagine if public opinion mattered woo me with science May 2012 #17
I still maintain that polls don't always contain the answer. randome May 2012 #20
Check back in November. Pot legalization is on the ballot in two states. Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #22
Yes. Authoritarians HATE democracy. nt Romulox May 2012 #28
you're arguing against an authortitarian mindset that can't even manage to inform.. frylock May 2012 #33
Then The Answer Should Be Simple... KharmaTrain May 2012 #34
But the corporations and the politicians and the pharmaceuticals and the police and... randome May 2012 #42
Might As Well Scrap The Whole Thing... KharmaTrain May 2012 #50
Really? You counted the threads, and there are more about medical marijuana than the economy? Nye Bevan May 2012 #8
Nah, I didn't count the threads. Just the ones that seem to jump out from the page. Bake May 2012 #10
I didn't count either, but your OP was the only OP on the subject on an entire long page of GD Bluenorthwest May 2012 #56
The topic of outrage drifts from week to week. JoePhilly May 2012 #11
The fact is the reform movement is one of the most organized and continuously successful Bluenorthwest May 2012 #59
"Kiddo" .. humm ... ok, I'll skip that, not worth it ... but a few points for you to consider. JoePhilly May 2012 #65
So do you support or oppose the Obama administrations war on medical pot? Better Believe It May 2012 #12
I oppose it. Bake May 2012 #14
I hear what you're saying - TBF May 2012 #19
But you think progressives should not criticize the Obama administrations war on medical pot? Better Believe It May 2012 #32
Neither, not at all. Bake May 2012 #39
So we should ignore all political issues since the only thing that matters is re-electing Obama? Better Believe It May 2012 #45
You're going to do whatever you're going to do. Bake May 2012 #48
That's not an answer to my question. Better Believe It May 2012 #55
I belive I've answered whatever question you may be posing. Bake May 2012 #62
Then you will be very happy to know... NCTraveler May 2012 #37
2 threads on page 1 with marijuana in the title. One is this thread Capt. Obvious May 2012 #18
Threads with MM in the title? Doesn't tell the whole story. Bake May 2012 #49
MM produces 2 hits - none about marijuana Capt. Obvious May 2012 #52
You keep making that sheet joke, yet your OP is all about counting the threads in GD and claiming Bluenorthwest May 2012 #58
Go smoke a doob. You'll feel better. Bake May 2012 #60
this administration opposes things that BENEFIT people and imposes things that kill msongs May 2012 #21
I'm getting annoyed with seeing all the 420 threads myself. Jamaal510 May 2012 #23
Actually not nearly as pervasive as some topics here. kiva May 2012 #24
Actually, yes you are correct! Bake May 2012 #25
And that's the point of a discussion board. kiva May 2012 #53
The marijuana people don't even agree marlakay May 2012 #26
Yeah, destruction of lives and families really is a back burner issue. obxhead May 2012 #27
What I'm saying is it does not warrant sitting out the election Bake May 2012 #31
No one is gonna sit out the election. DocMac May 2012 #51
Your problem here is that you are not taking into account the fact that the marijuana law reform Bluenorthwest May 2012 #57
Wildly successful? Wildly? Really? Bake May 2012 #61
More passive aggressive support for the War on (people who use) Drugs. Duly noted. nt Romulox May 2012 #29
Thanks so much for the condescension. Bake May 2012 #30
you post this crap OP and then whine about condescension?! frylock May 2012 #35
3 ops on the first page, one of them is yours. NCTraveler May 2012 #36
Doesn't make me uncomfortable. Bake May 2012 #41
Not really. Maybe when you posted the OP. Rex May 2012 #38
Oh jeez ... GeorgeGist May 2012 #40
I've seen that pic quite a few times. randome May 2012 #46
Ironic that someone with the SN "Bake" is whining about pot threads!! madinmaryland May 2012 #63
That's "Bake," not "Baked" dammit! Bake May 2012 #64
The issue is a metaphor. The Midway Rebel May 2012 #66
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