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1. Christ almighty.

Sat Apr 25, 2015, 05:25 AM

Apr 2015

See, when I originally heard about this shit, I laughed it off, because, you know, common sense tells you a staffer should be able to get a copy for their Representative. It's not that big of a deal. But then I learn that, in reality, there's a damn babysitter. It blew my mind at the time. I mean I couldn't comprehend it.

But now I see what's happened here. Republicans fucking with the damn committee process, ruining things for the committee (committees tend to, you know, like their private doings kept private), get to get away with it scot free. And because of their actions, Democrats aren't able to get copies of the drafts, because the Republicans fucked them over.

No wonder Obama is so pissed off about this. I'd be pissed the fuck off, too.

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Thank Representative Grand Theft Auto for the TPP Security--And Reid and Pelosi. [View all] msanthrope Apr 2015 OP

Christ almighty. joshcryer Apr 2015 #1

Well, I was puzzled by it. But then I realized that Obama doesn't get pissed off, lightly. So I msanthrope Apr 2015 #2

Issa (or his staffer) should've got 5 years for that crap. joshcryer Apr 2015 #3

It puts the Bernie Sanders' letter into its proper hypocritical, historical context, doesn't it? msanthrope Apr 2015 #4

It's pure fucking cronyism. joshcryer Apr 2015 #7

Why do you think Issa hit so hard on Benghazi? I suspect Issa knew he could be in trouble, and msanthrope Apr 2015 #11

House of Cards stuff here. joshcryer Apr 2015 #15

I suspect Issa is headed for a fateful crash with the Clinton machine. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #29

Yep. joshcryer Apr 2015 #33

That little everything punk prick. And now THIS NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #226

He published a draft that had already been leaked the previous year. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #70

This entire OP is about revealing facts in a way that implies linkage of things MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #140

Pay not attention... joshcryer Apr 2015 #145

So are you claiming the following? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #151

No. joshcryer Apr 2015 #154

The OP smears 4 democrats. Pay no attention to woman behind the curtain. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #152

Pretty disturbing stuff, it seems. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #153

This is a substantive post. joshcryer Apr 2015 #157

I smear every fucking Democrat that didn't say a word about this. joshcryer Apr 2015 #156

Link please that this insane policy did not exist before the OP's fantasy. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #160

I don't have to. joshcryer Apr 2015 #162

Sure you do. When you make a claim like that you need to back it up. pa28 Apr 2015 #187

The "usual channels" may not be unfettered access. joshcryer Apr 2015 #191

What changes? Members of both the Senate and the House, in 2012 made claims that they Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #192

How many members of congress... joshcryer Apr 2015 #204

The USTR cracked down? Please link to ANY evidence that access was looser before 2012. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #205

Can you provide a letter from before Issa's antics? joshcryer Apr 2015 #206

Can you provide a link that Congress had access? In fact, the letters from the House and the Senate Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #207

You never have open access. joshcryer Apr 2015 #208

Wyden does have regular access to some highly classified stuff JonLP24 Apr 2015 #215

Then I'm sure he and his staffer would be open to an investigation. joshcryer Apr 2015 #147

Thank you for doing the Digging, msanthrope! There's so much hysteria around here about "Secrecy!" Cha Apr 2015 #86

Issa was never on the Congressional Oversight Group on Trade. Thus he had no access to leak Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #99

So, you are claiming this Committee does not exist, and did not investigate TPP, Benghazi, and isn't msanthrope Apr 2015 #183

House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #201

I see. Secrecy regarding the TPP is the Republican's fault. delrem Apr 2015 #5

Well, Congresspeople having to babysit their staffers is Issa's fault. Note that neither Warren or msanthrope Apr 2015 #6

Except the problem is the continued secrecy. delrem Apr 2015 #8

You don't get it. joshcryer Apr 2015 #9

I get it. You like it, that the TPP is still classified. delrem Apr 2015 #19

The TPP should be classified until it's final. We have 11 other nations involved, and they rely on msanthrope Apr 2015 #23

I like that we'll have 60 days to protest it. joshcryer Apr 2015 #24

Actually, I think it is up to 90 days still_one Apr 2015 #102

Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #67

Actually, what is happening is that somehow all of this will be blamed on Warren and Sanders, so djean111 Apr 2015 #10

No, Issa deserves rightful blame. joshcryer Apr 2015 #12

EFF, Public Citizen, Doctors Without Borders, etc., all wrote about the leak a full year Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #75

Posting facts means you are a Republican operative MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #141

As far as I can tell... MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #142

Yes. Nuts. And four democrats were smeared by the OP. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #148

Well yes. Just upthread, it's blamed on their "cronyism". delrem Apr 2015 #13

You don't think it's cronyism for congresspeople... joshcryer Apr 2015 #17

Just holding feet to the fire. Even Warren's. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #18

You lit a straw man. And that's all you've got. nt delrem Apr 2015 #22

You seem to want to forget Issa's involvment with TPP leaking. Why? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #25

Because anything negative against the President of the United States Iliyah Apr 2015 #178

Check out downthread--we are now supposed to pretend Issa never headed House COG, never investigated msanthrope Apr 2015 #180

Warren and Sanders share the blame with every other Congressperson who didn't call out Issa. Plenty msanthrope Apr 2015 #14

Issa is the closest thing to a Luca Brasi the house has. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2015 #16

Any trade deal that involves 12 nations is going to have massive security, and will be secret msanthrope Apr 2015 #20

Lulz Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #26

You compliment the Notorious S.I.D. when you copy him. msanthrope Apr 2015 #28

Just playing with the neocons Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #31

Bravely, you face "neocons" with smilies? Indeed, Sir Robin! nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #34

Who is sir Robbin? Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #38

You youngsters. No appreciation for fine culture. msanthrope Apr 2015 #41

Do you remember Woodstock Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #44

Apparently, I was there. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #45

Lol Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #46

It wasn't lax, Issa just shit on the trade committee. joshcryer Apr 2015 #27

As they should retaliate. Too bad no Congressperson took Issa to task for being the bad apple. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #30

+1 joshcryer Apr 2015 #35

This is why I miss Prosense. She would have found it, months ago...as soon as the babysitting msanthrope Apr 2015 #39

Heck, republicans accused FDR of 'secret tariff agreements' and they were just bilateral deals. n/t pampango Apr 2015 #32

Right--I thought FDR Democrats liked reciprocal trade agreements? FDR sure did. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #36

It would seem that some "FDR Democrats" part company with their mentor on trade issues. pampango Apr 2015 #43

Those who forget history.......nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #47

Bretton Woods Conference joshcryer Apr 2015 #52

I understand the reasoning behind the secrecy. I just don't LIKE it in this case. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2015 #37

I like the idea of the 500 entities--it included labor and environmental in the top tier.... msanthrope Apr 2015 #40

That's a lot more than many on this board. Cha Apr 2015 #90

Many hateful thread which gets over the top rec'ds Iliyah Apr 2015 #182

It wasn't there in the first place. joshcryer Apr 2015 #21

But if there wasn't a problem before, then Issa's staffer taking a copy for his Buns_of_Fire Apr 2015 #48

It wasn't taking the copy that was the problem. joshcryer Apr 2015 #53

The entire text SHOULD be posted on line. ALL of it, Every fucking word. 99Forever Apr 2015 #42

And it will be. Once it's final. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #50

Too late then. 99Forever Apr 2015 #57

take it up with the founding fathers then. msanthrope Apr 2015 #68

Screw the "legislative branch." 99Forever Apr 2015 #71

. . . and Warren took the secrecy ball tossed by Issa and ran with it ucrdem Apr 2015 #49

I've seen that interview. I am disappointed Warren did not discuss the prior msanthrope Apr 2015 #51

Curious how she stuck to that talking point. ucrdem Apr 2015 #54

Like msanthrope said, Obama doesn't get pissed easily. joshcryer Apr 2015 #55

I don't think he has much choice. ucrdem Apr 2015 #56

Howzabout I criticize the whole lot of 'em? stillwaiting Apr 2015 #58

Yep. joshcryer Apr 2015 #61

Even if it happened, it require that such leaking can't be a heroic act against opacity. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #59

I am not sure some understands the process of negotiations and I therefore Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #60

Really? Depaysement Apr 2015 #62

Easy....start with filing a House Ethics complaint. And you are right.... msanthrope Apr 2015 #64

Not easy Depaysement Apr 2015 #77

Let me see if I have you correctly....No one should file against Issa because msanthrope Apr 2015 #80

It would never get out of committee so why bother Depaysement Apr 2015 #87

It's all becomes clear, it's nothing about the Democrats or the Republicans. It's all about Obama. Autumn Apr 2015 #63

Our government never learns. Baitball Blogger Apr 2015 #65

I won't hold my breath for the Third-Way Manny thread complaining about Issa... SidDithers Apr 2015 #66

From the perpetually sarcastic, IOKIYAR. randome Apr 2015 #72

No shite. Cha Apr 2015 #89

Actually, he published a draft that had already been leaked the previous year. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #69

Defending Darrell Issa's actions is, I had hoped, beneath you, LA. And techdirt isn't telling msanthrope Apr 2015 #73

I'm laying out the facts as I found them. Care to provide a link that an Issa staffer leaked the Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #76

Again...you are defending Issa, who was behind the original leak. Do you think it msanthrope Apr 2015 #79

Care to provide a link that Issa was behind the leak? Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #81

Sure....once you provide a link to back up your claims about Israel Shamir. msanthrope Apr 2015 #83

I can't cite anything he wrote for the Israeli publication. I don't speak, read Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #93

You just used an anti-Semite repudiated by the Catholic League to bolster msanthrope Apr 2015 #104

I'm not defending Issa. I am defending Reid, Pelosi, Sanders, and Warren. Dems that you're smearing. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #123

You just used an anti-Semite repudiated by the Catholic League to bolster your claims about another msanthrope Apr 2015 #129

I provided the info you requested, And you said, if I did, you would do in return. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #158

You used an Anti-Semite, repudiated by the Catholic League....hardly a progressive msanthrope Apr 2015 #161

Progressive was not the standard. A citation was. I provided. I doubt you will Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #194

are you going to admit that you were wrong about this Holocaust denier? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #219

Of course "defend issa".. nothing will get in their way to bash President Obama. Nothing. Cha Apr 2015 #88

I thought this was about Pelosi and Reid? The OP is baselessly bashing them with flailing fabrication. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #100

You are actually claiming downthread that this Commitee--House COG, does not exist--- msanthrope Apr 2015 #116

Yep. There is no such thing as House COG. GOG, BY STATUTE, is comprised by members of the Senate Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #125

So Politico made up an imaginary Committee? msanthrope Apr 2015 #131

No. There are dozens of oversight committees. Issa was not on the COG committee. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #137

He was the chairman of the House COG. I provided you video of him in the Sandra Fluke matter. msanthrope Apr 2015 #138

He was chairman of Government and Oversight Reform. Which has nothing to do with trade and this... Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #139

Lemme see if I have this....you have dropped the claim that the the House COG does not exist? msanthrope Apr 2015 #167

Nope. Not once dropped the claim the House COG does not exist. It doesn't exist. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #170

This Comimittee does not exist---and never investigated TPP, Benghazi, and the ACA? msanthrope Apr 2015 #175

COGR exists. House COG does not exist. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #193

Your War on Acronyms ranks up there with the time you accused me of plagiarizing msanthrope Apr 2015 #221

At this point, we have posters claiming this committee--House COG, does not exist..... msanthrope Apr 2015 #117

Because it doesn't. COG, established in 2002 specified to trade. Issa's committee was established in Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #126

So this committee, in which Issa opened up a TPP investigation, is imaginary? msanthrope Apr 2015 #132

There is not one word about any TPP or investigation, What. So. Ever. Is this a joke? Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #146

And now you conceed the existence of a Committee you previously denied. msanthrope Apr 2015 #159

He did not qualify to be on the committee, I am defending Democrats. You aren tearing them down, Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #164

Lemme see if I have this.....You now acknowledge there actually is a Committee? msanthrope Apr 2015 #165

Um….. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #168

So you admit the Committee you claimed does not exist, actually exists? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #169

Sigh, There are dozens of oversight committees. Issas committee is not GOC Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #171

This Committee--with a TPP investigation, a Benghazi investigation, etc....does not exist? msanthrope Apr 2015 #177

House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #195

I appreciate you walking back your claim that Issa didn't investigate TPP msanthrope Apr 2015 #222

Of course they are.. I've seen their denials in action before.. Cha Apr 2015 #149

And yet people blame Obama for 99% of the shit Congress does! Rex Apr 2015 #74

He's also Representative Arson Insurance Fraud too! cascadiance Apr 2015 #78

In 2012 only the a few members of the Congressional oversight committee had access. pa28 Apr 2015 #82

Um...No..That's not what I wrote. Issa was on COG House. And he and his staffer leaked. msanthrope Apr 2015 #84

Your OP says the USTRO's office tried allowing unfettered access but restricted it due to Issa. pa28 Apr 2015 #85

It is almost certain that Issa wasn't even a member of the Congressional Oversight Group on Trade Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #96

Are you kidding me? Issa is COG House....which is what I wrote....and that commitee does actually msanthrope Apr 2015 #108

House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #200

There is no such thing as COG House. In 2011, Issa was chair of House Committee on Oversight Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #95

Holy frackin' crap---are you kidding me? First of all, COG House does exist----here it is.... msanthrope Apr 2015 #105

COG House does not exist. COG is specific to Wyden's 2002 legislation that addresses trade. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #133

Are you actually denying that this committee--that Elijah Cummings is on, does not exist? msanthrope Apr 2015 #135

House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #197

Issa simply re-posted an old leak. Who did the original leak? riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #91

Issa wasn't even on the Congressional Oversight Group on Trade so he would have no access. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #97

How is it that you are completely unfamiliar with COG House--to the point of denying its existence? msanthrope Apr 2015 #109

House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #199

Make it public Aerows Apr 2015 #92

You have provided some really great info on all of this. K&R Number23 Apr 2015 #94

She provided shite. Issa was never on the Congressional Oversight Group On Trade in 2011 or 2012. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #98

After all of your posts in this thread, is it really necessary for you to accost every single person Number23 Apr 2015 #101

No. It is not okay because Msanthrope smears Pelosi and Reid on a complete fabrication. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #103

Issa had the documents because House COG had a TPP investigation going full throttle. How did you msanthrope Apr 2015 #114

How can I claim there is no House COG on trade because there isn't. The COG on trade is Senate AND House. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #127

Are you actually saying that Elijah Cummings is on an imaginary committee that did not have a TPP msanthrope Apr 2015 #134

House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #196

Then let me accost you. She's posted fabricated garbage. Made it up. riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #106

Actually....I'm amazingly surprised that neither you nor Luminous Animal seem to remember that msanthrope Apr 2015 #111

No, it says more about the absolutely PANICKED responses you and your pal are making Number23 Apr 2015 #118

I've got 2 posts in this entire thread and I'm the one panicked??!! riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #202

The panic was in the number of posts from your pal and your needless reponse to me Number23 Apr 2015 #210

Misanthrope can't even keep the timeline or committees straight riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #213

There's no rage, dear. You've gotten that as accurate as your summation of msanthrope's timeline Number23 Apr 2015 #214

Note--Luminous Animal is actually claiming that the commitee that Issa chaired does not exist...... msanthrope Apr 2015 #115

We both know I'd take your word over the likes of the others running up and down this thread Number23 Apr 2015 #119

I know it, and I appreciate it. But I'm honestly stunned....to defend Issa, there is now the claim msanthrope Apr 2015 #120

Well, I mean if it's okay with the squatters in this thread, I'd like to reiterate my earlier post Number23 Apr 2015 #121

I thank you.....and I'm off to walk my lovie mess of a dog and laugh my ass off......nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #122

House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #198

Issa's committee is not called COG. COG was established in 2002. Issa's in 1816. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #128

Are you actually denying that House COG does not exist? Is Elijah Cummings lying? msanthrope Apr 2015 #136

He was on COG House which has nothing to do with contraception, but how did you forget Sandra Fluke? msanthrope Apr 2015 #110

Hey, this wouldn't be the first time that people opposed to President Obama have broken the law... YoungDemCA Apr 2015 #107

To clarify the issue of whether Issa was responsible for initially leaking the document: No, but.... YoungDemCA Apr 2015 #112

actually--Issa was responsible for the initial leak. House COG had those documents because of their msanthrope Apr 2015 #113

Link please to the committee known as the House COG. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #124

Already did, upthread, with video of Issa being asked why House COG would not host Sandra Fluke. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #130

Refresh my memory Aerows Apr 2015 #150

Nope. No such thing has house COG. You are confusing a House domestic oversight Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #155

You, madam, are pretending that Issa's House COG simply did not exist. msanthrope Apr 2015 #163

You, something or other, are pretending that the House COG exists. It does not. Link please. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #166

This quibble has no bearing on the OP which makes no mention of said committee. ucrdem Apr 2015 #172

Yeah joshcryer Apr 2015 #174

For your viewing pleasure---apparently, I plagarized my own OP..... msanthrope Apr 2015 #181

I remember well. joshcryer Apr 2015 #184

Fixed...nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #185

There was a time when Luminous Animal accused me of plagarizing my own thread, and threatened to msanthrope Apr 2015 #179

Ah yes.. ucrdem Apr 2015 #188

So Issa is in on this, too Aerows Apr 2015 #143

Democratic former Mass. Gov. Deval Patrick joins Bain Capital ucrdem Apr 2015 #144

Wow after reading those epic sub-threads...yikes. Rex Apr 2015 #173

Rex--respectfully, that won't clear it up. Once you start claiming that certain msanthrope Apr 2015 #176

Yeah I did not mean LA Rex Apr 2015 #189

"you aren't going to admit your mistake" Nope, if anything hunker down deeper and keep accosting Number23 Apr 2015 #209

at this point I'm asking la to admit she was wrong about the Holocaust denier msanthrope Apr 2015 #220

Rough draft of TPP will be able for review by the public and congresscritters will be able Iliyah Apr 2015 #186

The long and winding road of misinformation…. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #190

Great work, Luminous Animal Oilwellian Apr 2015 #211

Congress is kabuki theater on acid. Rex Apr 2015 #212

LA and I go way back. I once wrote something about Glenn Greenwald msanthrope Apr 2015 #218

I doubt anyone was confused when you typed HCOG. Thanks for the explanation. Rex Apr 2015 #223

I guess I'm lucky LA didn't accuse me of being homophobic with my acronym usage this time. msanthrope Apr 2015 #224

I remember that and telling her I use GG just like I use HRC and so what does that mean? Rex Apr 2015 #229

No....I called GG a 'ratfucker' and the alerter claimed I was being homophobic. I got a hide. msanthrope Apr 2015 #230

so far in this thread you've denied a committee existed and you've used an anti Semite msanthrope Apr 2015 #216

Why does this remind me of Jonathan Gruber/Obamacare? merrily Apr 2015 #203

God, if you're down to throwing Reid and Pelosi under the bus to defend Obama... Marr Apr 2015 #217

Bullshit 99Forever Apr 2015 #225

That's BS....in keeping with the War on Acronyms LA msanthrope Apr 2015 #227

Smells like bullshit, it's bullshit. 99Forever Apr 2015 #228