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Novara

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50. Yeah, I have, and it doesn't convince me

Sat Apr 25, 2015, 09:54 AM

Apr 2015

Because for every argument there's a counterargument that makes a lot of sense. In addition, the administration is telling us to trust them, we'll like it when we finally see it. Well, I don't do blind faith in anybody, honey. If they're promising that it will look different when it's done, I will wait until then and review it then - I won't just trust that I should accept this in its unfinished state now. And again, is "hurry up so China doesn't do it before we get to" a productive strategy? I'm not convinced. I agree that if China negotiates trade agreements before we get the chance to do it the environment will suffer, but I'm not convinced fast-tracking this is the way to go about preventing them from doing that. Aren't there other mechanisms?

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Republicans are the enemy- except on trade issues [View all] cali Apr 2015 OP

I'm happy to agree with the Republicans whenever they're right. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2015 #1

I disagree PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #2

If Republicans get to ,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #25

I agree PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #32

Republican states that refuse Medicaid expansion have already legalized murder. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #51

Lulz Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #6

......actually they're almost always right............. SamKnause Apr 2015 #14

I don't think you've followed me. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2015 #22

Thanks for your reply and input. SamKnause Apr 2015 #24

He's saying they're right on Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #54

Thanks for the explanation. SamKnause Apr 2015 #55

Please note that I explicitly said that I *didn't* think what you're accusing me of saying. N.T Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2015 #57

I have heard Republicans PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #31

Yes because Bipartisanship has served us so well. Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #36

I'm not sure where that came from - did you skimread? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2015 #37

No I didn't. Your mendacity was not lost on me. Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #38

Agree with every word you wrote. cheapdate Apr 2015 #45

Well said. nt tridim Apr 2015 #53

Particularly the tea party - except on trade issues. pampango Apr 2015 #3

Thanks cali...nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #4

My opposition to the TPP has a lot to do with the fact that it deals with SO MUCH more than trade. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #5

exactly cali Apr 2015 #7

As did FDR's International Trade Organization. Democrats used to support that concept. pampango Apr 2015 #13

The times are so different cali Apr 2015 #15

I can't argue with "Things are different now. History (and FDR) are not that relevant." n/t pampango Apr 2015 #19

The leaked chapters are BAD. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #17

As I said, specifics matter (for better or worse) but 'comprehensive' is not 'bad'. pampango Apr 2015 #26

And I wonder if FDR would support the World Bank, IMF, and International Trade Organization stillwaiting Apr 2015 #27

He probably would not be surprised that the republican base opposes them and always has. pampango Apr 2015 #56

One thing seems sure, that there will be huge payoffs to the supporters of TPP! The only TV...... dmosh42 Apr 2015 #8

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #9

K&R SamKnause Apr 2015 #10

I simply don't get why.... Novara Apr 2015 #11

I don't understand your comment on China, couldn't another trade deal of those same nations HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #16

one of the arguments I hear over and over is that we must do this before China rurallib Apr 2015 #29

I really don't understand it. There's less there there than in the there we know of in TPP. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #34

Obama is doing the bidding... sendero Apr 2015 #18

So this is the Domino Theory AGAIN aspirant Apr 2015 #20

I suspect that you haven't heard ONE SINGLE EXPLANATION ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #30

Why don't you tell me why it's such a good thing? Novara Apr 2015 #42

I can't tell you why it's a good thing (or a bad thing) ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #46

Yet I have heard contradictions to those claims. What's the truth? Novara Apr 2015 #47

Have you read this? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #49

Yeah, I have, and it doesn't convince me Novara Apr 2015 #50

In reality ... GeorgeGist Apr 2015 #12

To Tell.... Cryptoad Apr 2015 #21

AKA economics AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #23

Well, apparently unless they are staff leaking parts of the draft HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #28

Considering how badly the US has been screwed on recent trade deals rurallib Apr 2015 #33

The very same Republicans that vowed FROM HIS INAUGURATION NIGHT ONWARD bullwinkle428 Apr 2015 #35

Sorry, I'm hearing a peep from them, a big peep, They are for it. Big time. Autumn Apr 2015 #40

Well this is the money shot. zeemike Apr 2015 #44

I'm fucking befuddled. I don't get it. Autumn Apr 2015 #39

You are supposed to vote for the person with the D behind their name LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #43

This is taking on the shape of the classic triangulation that brought us NAFTA myrna minx Apr 2015 #41

Cali fadedrose Apr 2015 #48

This is a prime example of "It's okay if a Democrat does it." alarimer Apr 2015 #52