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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders: What's Wrong With America Looking More Like Scandinavia? [View all]BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)104. You bet
It was seriously the strangest statement I've read in a long time. And unfortunately, a lot of people swallowed it. Just gross.
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Bernie Sanders: What's Wrong With America Looking More Like Scandinavia? [View all]
madfloridian
May 2015
OP
Scandinavia has some real sexist and racist issues. you know. social issues. i guess if we ignore
seabeyond
May 2015
#1
yes we do. and still, we are ahead of them in this.... but certainy over the last decade
seabeyond
May 2015
#6
I agree. One thing we (liberals) need to also wake up to. The rise of the right in Europe came from
newthinking
May 2015
#121
Thanks foe posting. I wasn't aware of this. Could you please start a post on this.
Dream Girl
May 2015
#191
yes we are. i am well aware of that. hence my need to stand on social justice, while trying to
seabeyond
May 2015
#13
It's probably because many of these countries have decriminalized prostitution
davidn3600
May 2015
#231
In Sweden and Norway the buyer is breaking the law, not the prostitute. If someone wants to keep
Chathamization
May 2015
#233
we as a nation, not personally or a party. pretty soon i am gonna be accused of saying democrats
seabeyond
May 2015
#65
If you wanna discuss this create an OP about it, not as a sub-thread on this OP.
Dont call me Shirley
May 2015
#74
i did. more people just interested saying i called sanders a racist and sexist.
seabeyond
May 2015
#145
See my post above. The GOP are extremely active in Europe too. There is a correlation to the rise
newthinking
May 2015
#125
It's very easy to see the pattern, they use the same MO all over the world.
Dont call me Shirley
May 2015
#221
They're in control of this nation. They just have to exercise caution lest the people realize it.
Enthusiast
May 2015
#225
Someone from Vermont may not see any issue with an almost totally white country
Township75
May 2015
#8
I think we all know which aspects of Scandinavian countries Bernie wants to emulate
nxylas
May 2015
#143
+1 People with a brain & knowledge realize what Sanders means in regard to Scandanavia.
appalachiablue
May 2015
#217
Immigrants are a higher percentage of Sweden's population (16%) than in the US (14%).
pampango
May 2015
#94
Bernie marched for civil rights in the 60's so you need not attempt to implicate him as racist
cui bono
May 2015
#96
Candidate and Hair doing well, both are authentic. T-Shirts selling well too.
appalachiablue
May 2015
#235
wtf does that mean? Someone who's black or who marched or who has black children does't equate to be
uponit7771
May 2015
#141
Then you don't want a country with the best markers of social equality and
BrotherIvan
May 2015
#157
you have made it clear social justice issues are not relevant. as i have made it clear they are my
seabeyond
May 2015
#17
I want to know why you leave out minorities and women when you define economic justice.
cui bono
May 2015
#54
Economic justice is about the lower classes having opportunity and fair wages
Dragonfli
May 2015
#120
I understand what you are saying. But in regards to a presidential candidate it is not relavent
newthinking
May 2015
#142
True -- my friends in the Netherlands say that half the country is non-religious and the
Nay
May 2015
#70
Adding to your post... men get paternity leave as well as women getting maternity leave in Denmark.
cui bono
May 2015
#83
Thank you. It's a shame that it only takes seconds to create and spread misinformation, but
Chathamization
May 2015
#180
I was sorry when that OP appeared on the Home Page yesterday and read some of the remarks.
appalachiablue
May 2015
#222
Yeah, Sanders' impeccable, life-long record on civil rights and social justice is merely a clever
smokey nj
May 2015
#27
i am not allowed to point out how these countries fail in social justice aspects?
seabeyond
May 2015
#30
ha. now there is an argument i have heard before. your words do not matter, nor your facts...
seabeyond
May 2015
#32
You said just yesterday that he is white and male so his economic justice would be just that,
cui bono
May 2015
#46
You are all over DU pretending to want to support Sanders yet slandering his good name
cui bono
May 2015
#40
omg. there is some balanced accusations. you know those threads? they were a call out to me.
seabeyond
May 2015
#51
No. I was having a very civil exchange with you and you defined economic justice as being only
cui bono
May 2015
#57
go back into that thread and see that i do not say the exact thing. addressing middle/upper middle
seabeyond
May 2015
#59
Again. Why do you leave out minorities and women in your definition of economic justice?
cui bono
May 2015
#60
No doubt. But somehow someone here will see that through their own kaleidoscope
cui bono
May 2015
#93
What we're witnessing here is the classic Rovian tactic of attacking your opponent on their
smokey nj
May 2015
#71
seabeyond, do you really think that xenophobia and social injustice are the traits...
backscatter712
May 2015
#204
seabeyond, saying Scandinavian countries are worse tthan we are in matters of sexism and racism
tblue37
May 2015
#184
Thank you and others here for refuting the empty, damaging claims being made about
appalachiablue
May 2015
#228
FFS!!!! You think Sanders is endorsing sexism and racism??? BIG IGNORE for you! nt
valerief
May 2015
#64
no. but it helps to win a fabricated argument creating your very own false accusations.
seabeyond
May 2015
#67
Being "more like" something isn't the same as being "just like" that thing.
cyberswede
May 2015
#164
From my vantage point, I see horrendous sexist and racist issues right here
NorthCarolina
May 2015
#194
so they have those problems because they have universal health care and free higher ed?
yurbud
May 2015
#211
I certainly understand that Scandinavia has its problems, and you're absolutely right
Jackpine Radical
May 2015
#230
We don't need to learn that from any other country. Why equate this OP with racism anyway??
madfloridian
May 2015
#20
Because racism is an extreme problem in Scandinavia and no we do not need to look like them at all.
leftofcool
May 2015
#23
We have an extreme problem here now. I doubt other countries could teach us more.
madfloridian
May 2015
#26
Are you contending that Bernie Sanders wants to usher in a new era of Jim Crow?
smokey nj
May 2015
#68
Did Sanders say anything about learning racism from Scandinavia? He said we could learn
liberal_at_heart
May 2015
#208
Add to the last paragraph: Like the mixed government of FDR. They called him a socialist to.
jwirr
May 2015
#7
I think no one could have anticipated the utter ignorance and agenda-driven misinformation
BrotherIvan
May 2015
#80
Agreed. The woeful ignorance is, hopefully, one of the things that Bernie hopes to correct
Nay
May 2015
#169
I think the US will get an education on democratic socialism and it's benefits
HereSince1628
May 2015
#28
14 years of jingoism has been pretty tough on our critical self-awareness.
HereSince1628
May 2015
#55
"History" to most Americans is over-simplified civic mythology, told to them as children in school
arcane1
May 2015
#116
yeah, Americans already 1. think it looks like Sweden and 2. want it to look even more like it
MisterP
May 2015
#29
"When asked to choose an ideal wealth distribution, Americans say that they like Sweden/"
pampango
May 2015
#99
I'm trying to adopt the habit of asking "what do you mean?" whenever someone shouts "socialist"
arcane1
May 2015
#118
"The fact of the matter is, we do a lot in our country, which is good," he added. "But we can..
madfloridian
May 2015
#78
I don't care if he loses. Refreshing to see a politician speak his beliefs without shame
LittleBlue
May 2015
#86
A good rational argument, but some strategic weaknesses in the framing.
True Blue Door
May 2015
#102
"but eventually he'll have to get some strategists to hone his approach."
madfloridian
May 2015
#105
We lost the House and Senate because of Citizens United and vote suppression.
True Blue Door
May 2015
#113
4 articles to read. Trying to sound like the other party IS a huge huge part of it all.
madfloridian
May 2015
#174
The American right wing has intentionally creating confusion around the term socialism for years.
Enthusiast
May 2015
#106
Seems to be the same folks who think "democratic socialist" = "socialist". n/t
winter is coming
May 2015
#162
Did the POS Stephanaopolous answer Bernie's question? i.e., "what's wrong with that?" I'm assuming
AlinPA
May 2015
#156
Maybe it's because they don't have a standing army and the Manifest Destiny for Empire.
libdem4life
May 2015
#172
when you charge people with crimes you pin a scarlet letter on them for the rest of their
whereisjustice
May 2015
#198
Bernie's doing the right thing: owning his democratic socialism like a boss!
backscatter712
May 2015
#205