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196. Surprised that Hong Kong Immigrants are not listed there...

Sun May 3, 2015, 09:45 PM

May 2015

they are mostly every where these days. When I visited Scotland a few years ago, I was surprised to find a Chinese Restaurant in Inverness.

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Bernie Sanders: What's Wrong With America Looking More Like Scandinavia? [View all] madfloridian May 2015 OP

Scandinavia has some real sexist and racist issues. you know. social issues. i guess if we ignore seabeyond May 2015 #1

We have serious ones in this country also. madfloridian May 2015 #3

yes we do. and still, we are ahead of them in this.... but certainy over the last decade seabeyond May 2015 #6

bullshit. two words: prison industry cali May 2015 #9

oh cali.... and here you are. seabeyond May 2015 #10

And Cali brought up a very good point. Violet_Crumble May 2015 #215

I agree. One thing we (liberals) need to also wake up to. The rise of the right in Europe came from newthinking May 2015 #121

omg. BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #185

Thanks foe posting. I wasn't aware of this. Could you please start a post on this. Dream Girl May 2015 #191

YES look @ Canada's Harper Rockyj May 2015 #218

In women's rights we are going backwards. madfloridian May 2015 #11

yes we are. i am well aware of that. hence my need to stand on social justice, while trying to seabeyond May 2015 #13

How is social justice not so pretty in those countries, as you allege? NaturalHigh May 2015 #53

The Unit by Ninni Holmqvist is a great dystopian novel daredtowork May 2015 #144

It's probably because many of these countries have decriminalized prostitution davidn3600 May 2015 #231

Yes, it's amazing. One would think... NaturalHigh May 2015 #232

In Sweden and Norway the buyer is breaking the law, not the prostitute. If someone wants to keep Chathamization May 2015 #233

That's disputable davidn3600 May 2015 #234

No we're not, the gop is taking us backwards, especially women! Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #62

we as a nation, not personally or a party. pretty soon i am gonna be accused of saying democrats seabeyond May 2015 #65

If you wanna discuss this create an OP about it, not as a sub-thread on this OP. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #74

Why? There are no rules about creating OP's vs. subthreads. nt pnwmom May 2015 #119

True, not trying to be a thread purist Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #219

i did. more people just interested saying i called sanders a racist and sexist. seabeyond May 2015 #145

The GOP is taking us backwards on every front. And at an alarming rate. Enthusiast May 2015 #111

See my post above. The GOP are extremely active in Europe too. There is a correlation to the rise newthinking May 2015 #125

International Fascism. Enthusiast May 2015 #133

It's very easy to see the pattern, they use the same MO all over the world. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #221

They're in control of this nation. They just have to exercise caution lest the people realize it. Enthusiast May 2015 #225

Like they will ignore Baltimore? L0oniX May 2015 #5

Someone from Vermont may not see any issue with an almost totally white country Township75 May 2015 #8

sorry, not a racist. Am a Vermonter cali May 2015 #12

I didn't suggest that you nor any other Vermonter were racist Township75 May 2015 #14

Really? Now you're trying to say that Bernie is striving for a white country? cui bono May 2015 #98

WTF is right! Enthusiast May 2015 #112

I think we all know which aspects of Scandinavian countries Bernie wants to emulate nxylas May 2015 #143

:>))))) pangaia May 2015 #148

+1 People with a brain & knowledge realize what Sanders means in regard to Scandanavia. appalachiablue May 2015 #217

I knew it wouldnt take long as soon as I read the OP title 7962 May 2015 #173

Scandinavia is becoming much more racially diverse. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2015 #39

Immigrants are a higher percentage of Sweden's population (16%) than in the US (14%). pampango May 2015 #94

Surprised that Hong Kong Immigrants are not listed there... yuiyoshida May 2015 #196

Bernie marched for civil rights in the 60's so you need not attempt to implicate him as racist cui bono May 2015 #96

.... madfloridian May 2015 #110

Candidate and Hair doing well, both are authentic. T-Shirts selling well too. appalachiablue May 2015 #235

Well said emulatorloo May 2015 #140

wtf does that mean? Someone who's black or who marched or who has black children does't equate to be uponit7771 May 2015 #141

So you think Bernie wants a white America? Did you even read the article? cui bono May 2015 #149

They didn't even read the OP... awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #160

Then you don't want a country with the best markers of social equality and BrotherIvan May 2015 #157

I didn't know Bernie marched on Washington. SMC22307 May 2015 #161

Wow!! I had no idea Bernie was at the Univ. of Chicago pocoloco May 2015 #220

One big reason moondust May 2015 #103

moondust Diclotican May 2015 #199

Are you in Norway, Diclotican? moondust May 2015 #209

OFFS ...the race card ...really? L0oniX May 2015 #165

He's merely pointing out there style of government. Nothing more. 7962 May 2015 #177

She knows what he damn well what he meant. smokey nj May 2015 #183

You Should Be Ashamed Of Yourself. stonecutter357 May 2015 #210

Dude, grow up. smokey nj May 2015 #216

Your hatred is blinding you. stonecutter357 May 2015 #237

You want to be real careful... gregcrawford May 2015 #229

Oh dear God BrotherIvan May 2015 #15

you have made it clear social justice issues are not relevant. as i have made it clear they are my seabeyond May 2015 #17

You have a very skewed idea of what economic justice is though. cui bono May 2015 #33

middle/upper class and men. seabeyond May 2015 #42

Since you "think it is important to be informed, educated and aware"... NaturalHigh May 2015 #50

I want to know why you leave out minorities and women when you define economic justice. cui bono May 2015 #54

Economic justice is about the lower classes having opportunity and fair wages Dragonfli May 2015 #120

My neighborhood looks the same way BrotherIvan May 2015 #127

"They might get banned from this board with their response." Dragonfli May 2015 #129

Yes, when we are told that DU isn't representative of the country BrotherIvan May 2015 #137

^ BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #186

I understand what you are saying. But in regards to a presidential candidate it is not relavent newthinking May 2015 #142

Your assertion is 100% false BrotherIvan May 2015 #36

I think one of the reasons you see this in the Nordic countries madaboutharry May 2015 #58

You are correct BrotherIvan May 2015 #66

True -- my friends in the Netherlands say that half the country is non-religious and the Nay May 2015 #70

madaboutharry Diclotican May 2015 #201

The crickets are deafening, hifiguy May 2015 #61

One should not claim the mantle if one is woefully misinformed BrotherIvan May 2015 #73

At this point it looks more like intentional trolling than anything else. hifiguy May 2015 #79

That is not for me to say BrotherIvan May 2015 #81

You will wait until the heat death of the universe. hifiguy May 2015 #84

I'd take the half life of uranium BrotherIvan May 2015 #109

Thank you. I was searching for links, but yours are better than anything I can Nay May 2015 #69

Not to mention BrotherIvan May 2015 #75

Adding to your post... men get paternity leave as well as women getting maternity leave in Denmark. cui bono May 2015 #83

You bet BrotherIvan May 2015 #104

Thank you for pointing out what should be obvious. 7962 May 2015 #178

It's good that the lies are being countered BrotherIvan May 2015 #179

Thank you. It's a shame that it only takes seconds to create and spread misinformation, but Chathamization May 2015 #180

Well at least the true facts are getting out there for people to see BrotherIvan May 2015 #182

I have a feeling it's going to be a loooong primary season. pa28 May 2015 #152

It has spread to other threads with others picking up the torch BrotherIvan May 2015 #154

I was sorry when that OP appeared on the Home Page yesterday and read some of the remarks. appalachiablue May 2015 #222

Thank you for your post BrotherIvan May 2015 #224

true, he shouldn't have said identical on social issues WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2015 #22

Yeah, Sanders' impeccable, life-long record on civil rights and social justice is merely a clever smokey nj May 2015 #27

i am not allowed to point out how these countries fail in social justice aspects? seabeyond May 2015 #30

That IS NOT what you're doing and you and I both know it. smokey nj May 2015 #31

ha. now there is an argument i have heard before. your words do not matter, nor your facts... seabeyond May 2015 #32

You have NO facts BrotherIvan May 2015 #41

You said just yesterday that he is white and male so his economic justice would be just that, cui bono May 2015 #46

You are all over DU pretending to want to support Sanders yet slandering his good name cui bono May 2015 #40

+++++++ BrotherIvan May 2015 #43

omg. there is some balanced accusations. you know those threads? they were a call out to me. seabeyond May 2015 #51

No. I was having a very civil exchange with you and you defined economic justice as being only cui bono May 2015 #57

go back into that thread and see that i do not say the exact thing. addressing middle/upper middle seabeyond May 2015 #59

Again. Why do you leave out minorities and women in your definition of economic justice? cui bono May 2015 #60

Someone posted Bernie's ratings from the NAACP hifiguy May 2015 #87

No doubt. But somehow someone here will see that through their own kaleidoscope cui bono May 2015 #93

That is, shall we say, a Palinesque "talent." nt hifiguy May 2015 #97

I fear it serves their intended purpose. Enthusiast May 2015 #126

That was me in response to the "supporter's" concerns BrotherIvan May 2015 #158

What we're witnessing here is the classic Rovian tactic of attacking your opponent on their smokey nj May 2015 #71

Indeed. hifiguy May 2015 #82

I question your feminist credentials Beowulf May 2015 #123

Your actions speak for themselves - passive aggressive nonsense. smokey nj May 2015 #49

seabeyond, do you really think that xenophobia and social injustice are the traits... backscatter712 May 2015 #204

I don't believe he said.... Grey May 2015 #35

so how dare i educate, pointing out where they fail. fucking my bad. done. seabeyond May 2015 #56

You are constantly attempting to mislead, stranger81 May 2015 #91

You are not educating. You are attempting to misinform. n/t cui bono May 2015 #92

You never pointed out any salient issue in any detail. hifiguy May 2015 #100

seabeyond, saying Scandinavian countries are worse tthan we are in matters of sexism and racism tblue37 May 2015 #184

Thank you and others here for refuting the empty, damaging claims being made about appalachiablue May 2015 #228

What utopian society would YOU like us to emulate? NaturalHigh May 2015 #45

Our racial inequality is far worse on many levels. Exilednight May 2015 #63

FFS!!!! You think Sanders is endorsing sexism and racism??? BIG IGNORE for you! nt valerief May 2015 #64

no. but it helps to win a fabricated argument creating your very own false accusations. seabeyond May 2015 #67

Please provide some links to facts about your claims. cui bono May 2015 #95

Whaaat? abelenkpe May 2015 #114

Some people make a career of twisting obvious statements into hifiguy May 2015 #136

Bernie is NOT advocating more sexism and racism Enrique May 2015 #138

And so....? pangaia May 2015 #146

Being "more like" something isn't the same as being "just like" that thing. cyberswede May 2015 #164

I thought Scandinavia was one of the best places for women... BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #187

You are correct BrotherIvan May 2015 #212

From my vantage point, I see horrendous sexist and racist issues right here NorthCarolina May 2015 #194

so they have those problems because they have universal health care and free higher ed? yurbud May 2015 #211

He wasn't saying we should embrace THAT part of Scandinavian life Ken Burch May 2015 #213

I certainly understand that Scandinavia has its problems, and you're absolutely right Jackpine Radical May 2015 #230

Bernie says what will be good for America Rosa Luxemburg May 2015 #2

Learn what? How to be racist? leftofcool May 2015 #16

We don't need to learn that from any other country. Why equate this OP with racism anyway?? madfloridian May 2015 #20

Because racism is an extreme problem in Scandinavia and no we do not need to look like them at all. leftofcool May 2015 #23

We have an extreme problem here now. I doubt other countries could teach us more. madfloridian May 2015 #26

We sure do but they are much worse. leftofcool May 2015 #38

It's called hijacking when you change the subject from the OP to racism. madfloridian May 2015 #44

Now we know what the arrow in the H logo is for. Jester Messiah May 2015 #153

Links? Proof? BrotherIvan May 2015 #47

Are you contending that Bernie Sanders wants to usher in a new era of Jim Crow? smokey nj May 2015 #68

So yet another DUer trying to claim Sanders is racist? cui bono May 2015 #101

That they've sunk to this level less than a week into smokey nj May 2015 #117

Did Sanders say anything about learning racism from Scandinavia? He said we could learn liberal_at_heart May 2015 #208

Exactly right. Although I'm conflicted. Faygo Kid May 2015 #4

Add to the last paragraph: Like the mixed government of FDR. They called him a socialist to. jwirr May 2015 #7

FDR WAS a bit of a socialist. DirkGently May 2015 #108

Damn straight! I like your post! Enthusiast May 2015 #130

Indeed. Scandinavia and much of Europe still governs using FDR ideas. pampango May 2015 #226

Bernie's Message Should Resonate colsohlibgal May 2015 #18

Great post, colsohlibgal! Enthusiast May 2015 #132

Who's afraid of the big bad GOP? Gregorian May 2015 #19

An American President envisioned a Democratic Socialist America AZ Progressive May 2015 #21

Good for Bernie... SoapBox May 2015 #24

Somebody get this guy a coach BeyondGeography May 2015 #25

I think no one could have anticipated the utter ignorance and agenda-driven misinformation BrotherIvan May 2015 #80

Agreed. The woeful ignorance is, hopefully, one of the things that Bernie hopes to correct Nay May 2015 #169

It is one of the strangest things I have ever seen on DU BrotherIvan May 2015 #171

Americans are more receptive to socialism than they know BeyondGeography May 2015 #202

I think the US will get an education on democratic socialism and it's benefits HereSince1628 May 2015 #28

If they don't know what socialism means Rolando May 2015 #34

I agree with you, and yes, I don't think most people read history HereSince1628 May 2015 #37

And a media that stubbornly presents these obsolete views like George S. just CTyankee May 2015 #52

14 years of jingoism has been pretty tough on our critical self-awareness. HereSince1628 May 2015 #55

"History" to most Americans is over-simplified civic mythology, told to them as children in school arcane1 May 2015 #116

yeah, Americans already 1. think it looks like Sweden and 2. want it to look even more like it MisterP May 2015 #29

"When asked to choose an ideal wealth distribution, Americans say that they like Sweden/" pampango May 2015 #99

K&R. Yes please! Overseas May 2015 #48

The Nordic countries The next supermodel/The Economist Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #72

"Democratic Socialism" needs to be discussed more often and more openly. DirkGently May 2015 #76

..... madfloridian May 2015 #85

EXCELLENT post! hifiguy May 2015 #89

I'm trying to adopt the habit of asking "what do you mean?" whenever someone shouts "socialist" arcane1 May 2015 #118

YES! "Okay, socialist, like 'Social Security,' buut ... DirkGently May 2015 #135

There are many that profit greatly by keeping us like kindergarteners. Enthusiast May 2015 #139

They're laughing all the way to the bank, or DirkGently May 2015 #168

Well said. TM99 May 2015 #193

Thanks -- That's long been my impression. DirkGently May 2015 #195

There is a definite maturity that comes TM99 May 2015 #206

Remember this pic? Oilwellian May 2015 #200

I think I had actually suppressed the memory. DirkGently May 2015 #203

the GOP made amerika equate socialism=COMMUNISM! pansypoo53219 May 2015 #77

And Zombie Raygun. hifiguy May 2015 #90

"The fact of the matter is, we do a lot in our country, which is good," he added. "But we can.. madfloridian May 2015 #78

Yes - the joke is that American Exceptionalism means Exeptionally Bad. nt daredtowork May 2015 #151

I don't care if he loses. Refreshing to see a politician speak his beliefs without shame LittleBlue May 2015 #86

The Truth wins either way :) arcane1 May 2015 #122

Where are we fredamae May 2015 #88

A good rational argument, but some strategic weaknesses in the framing. True Blue Door May 2015 #102

"but eventually he'll have to get some strategists to hone his approach." madfloridian May 2015 #105

We lost the House and Senate because of Citizens United and vote suppression. True Blue Door May 2015 #113

"but let's also not be anti-intellectual here" Wow madfloridian May 2015 #115

It's fine for now, flying a flag and gathering troops. True Blue Door May 2015 #124

"flying a flag and gathering troops" madfloridian May 2015 #128

It's not a matter of "bipartisanship." True Blue Door May 2015 #147

4 articles to read. Trying to sound like the other party IS a huge huge part of it all. madfloridian May 2015 #174

I don't expect Sanders to listen to any of those discredited views. True Blue Door May 2015 #197

The American right wing has intentionally creating confusion around the term socialism for years. Enthusiast May 2015 #106

Here's the video, thanks to cal04 in the Video forum. madfloridian May 2015 #107

Yes! Cali_Democrat May 2015 #131

Some people don't seem to realize he said "more like" Scandinavia. Beartracks May 2015 #134

Well said, Beartracks. pampango May 2015 #155

Seems to be the same folks who think "democratic socialist" = "socialist". n/t winter is coming May 2015 #162

Good point. nt cyberswede May 2015 #163

Jeg elsker dig, Bernie! Fritz Walter May 2015 #150

I did. madfloridian May 2015 #176

Did the POS Stephanaopolous answer Bernie's question? i.e., "what's wrong with that?" I'm assuming AlinPA May 2015 #156

It sounds like Sanders "welcomes their hate." morningfog May 2015 #159

It does indeed ...and I love that. L0oniX May 2015 #167

Good call. That will be an advantage. True Blue Door May 2015 #181

No problem here, so long as McDonald's doesn't start serving McLutefisk. Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #166

Thanks for the laugh! smokey nj May 2015 #170

Maybe it's because they don't have a standing army and the Manifest Destiny for Empire. libdem4life May 2015 #172

I cannot believe the ignorant knee-jerking in half the posts here. 7962 May 2015 #175

No doubt. rbnyc May 2015 #189

Those are some fat trees, cuz there's terrorists behind each one, too! n/t Beartracks May 2015 #236

Nothing wrong with that. n/t sabrina 1 May 2015 #188

Every country has problems... Thespian2 May 2015 #190

nothing, except they have 1000 radio stations to howl about certainot May 2015 #192

when you charge people with crimes you pin a scarlet letter on them for the rest of their whereisjustice May 2015 #198

Bernie's doing the right thing: owning his democratic socialism like a boss! backscatter712 May 2015 #205

He will be largely immune to 'socialism' scare attacks. RiverNoord May 2015 #227

What Americans think of Europeans struggle4progress May 2015 #207

yay! NuttyFluffers May 2015 #214

Cuz I'd look like this ejbr May 2015 #223