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75. Supreme Court mendacity was also a factor in the loss...

Sun May 10, 2015, 02:18 AM

May 2015

I also want to point out that it's unfair to Gore to blame him for the fact that 12% of FL Dems voted for Bush* in 00. About the same percentage voted for McCain and Romney in 08 and 012 and Obama carried FL twice. Why? Because there were more of them.

Here's a peer reviewed paper by a Harvard Political Science professor who discusses Nader and Buchanan's effect on the 00 election.
The pertinent info is on Page 9:

http://rangevoting.org/Burden.pdf

IMHO, if all the votes were counted Gore would have won, even with Nader on the ballot... I am from FL so I watched the recount closely and was intimately familiar with the areas with the largest discrepancies...Overlooked is the thousands of spoiled ballots from heavily African American precincts in Duval County (Jacksonville).

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Regardless of whether Al Gore or Ralph Nader was to blame for "losing" the 2000 election... [View all] YoungDemCA May 2015 OP

I blame the group that brought a frivolous lawsuit to the SCOTUS Rex May 2015 #1

Sorry. No Nader, no Bush. despite any of the other factors. I don't defend BFEE, HERVEPA May 2015 #2

Sorry no 100k Dems voting for Bush in Florida, no recall. Rex May 2015 #3

Nope. My point is if Nader doesn't run, Gore wins. HERVEPA May 2015 #7

There's no truth to your claim either. The majority of Exilednight May 2015 #28

Got supporting facts? riqster May 2015 #36

Just look at exit polling. Exilednight May 2015 #40

I'll take that as a "no", then. riqster May 2015 #63

Take it however you like. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #64

Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #70

I want to see the poll itself, not a blog article Exilednight May 2015 #80

Here's the exit poll results from a Harvard Political Science professor for a paper DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #81

That's a paper about the poll, not the poll. Exilednight May 2015 #83

It's a peer reviewed paper for the American Political Science Association DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #84

Even peer reviewed papers have a bias when it Exilednight May 2015 #85

It's really not a claim but an empirical observation... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #86

It doesn't committ those people to turning out to Exilednight May 2015 #87

Should Republicans and Democrats be written into the US constitution? Scootaloo May 2015 #34

Horrible idea. If I had it my way, there would be a Exilednight May 2015 #43

Exsctly MaggieD May 2015 #52

Nader torpedoed Gore in Florida Tommy2Tone May 2015 #62

Also New Hampshire, which would have also carried it for Gore The Second Stone May 2015 #76

Nader took as many votes from Bush as he took from Gore CrawlingChaos May 2015 #69

Please see Post 70./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #71

Hmmm... not the way I remember it CrawlingChaos May 2015 #74

Supreme Court mendacity was also a factor in the loss... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #75

You should be interested in teh recount done by the Press Sindicate nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #100

The real action wasn't in Palm Beach or Broward county... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #102

I agree with you nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #103

There were multiple reasons why Gore lost FL DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #104

and what gets me about the Nader bashing nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #105

Neither was to blame One of the 99 May 2015 #4

Same as in other threads 1939 May 2015 #5

True, but Vice President Gore winning his homestate yeoman6987 May 2015 #39

200,000 Florida Democrats voting for Bush didn't help Scootaloo May 2015 #6

Not relevant to whether Nader cost Gore the election. HERVEPA May 2015 #8

It is in fact incredibly relevant, because it answers the question. The answer is "no." Scootaloo May 2015 #10

Your analytical skills are sorely lacking, nay, nonexistent. HERVEPA May 2015 #11

No, they're quite good Scootaloo May 2015 #12

Impressive analysis Scoot. RiverLover May 2015 #14

i blame Nader for lying and saying Gore and Bush were the same JI7 May 2015 #25

because this was a brand-new sentiment that Nader introduced to American politics? Scootaloo May 2015 #26

because it was not true JI7 May 2015 #29

But 'the parties are the same" is not a remotely new sentiment in US politics Scootaloo May 2015 #33

many things aren't new , doesn't mean one has to ignore when others push JI7 May 2015 #35

I think you're trying to shoehorn your own beliefs back in time Scootaloo May 2015 #50

no he wasn't, there is a reason he focused on swing states JI7 May 2015 #66

(Nader) haters gonna hate. What can you do? (Although you are exhibiting the KingCharlemagne May 2015 #27

Oh, don't get me wrong, nader can go get fucked... Scootaloo May 2015 #31

I hear ya. And America got torture, incompetence on a scale not seen KingCharlemagne May 2015 #38

+1. n/t winter is coming May 2015 #44

"Reagan Democrat shitheads" 1939 May 2015 #82

But it is far easier to blame the voters nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #91

And the SAME people here that demand obedience...gee they just let those in 2000 Rex May 2015 #9

I've often wondered why defecting to the Republicans rarely rates a mention, winter is coming May 2015 #20

those democrats wanted a conservative so they went for Bush JI7 May 2015 #23

Presumably, the Dems who voted for Nader wanted something different, too, winter is coming May 2015 #41

well, there are people who actually think ted cruz and palin JI7 May 2015 #48

Don't see what that has to do with my observation winter is coming May 2015 #49

those democrats wanted Bush to win and for Gore to lose JI7 May 2015 #24

Nader took 20,000 votes from Gore in Florida which made the results close enough for world wide wally May 2015 #13

Thank you. Yet some people seem unable to digest this simple fact. No Nader, no Bush HERVEPA May 2015 #15

That is simplistic thinking. We have no way of knowing what else bush was willing to do to steal it. morningfog May 2015 #55

Says nobody but you. 99Forever May 2015 #37

Good of you to comment on your own post right in the post HERVEPA May 2015 #65

He also spoiled New Hampshire The Second Stone May 2015 #77

I blame Sandra Day O'Connor. nt No Vested Interest May 2015 #16

^Reagan appointee. world wide wally May 2015 #17

Don't forget Lieberman melman May 2015 #18

I was not eager to make him 2nd in command. nt Bonobo May 2015 #32

Couldn't anyone have checked the ballots in Florida and made a fuss about the butterfly ballot? Chathamization May 2015 #19

Al Gore didn't lose the election, but he lost sight of his obligations. True Blue Door May 2015 #21

SCOTUS has set the stage for ruin. GeorgeGist May 2015 #22

Gore was a terrible candidate LittleBlue May 2015 #30

And when the election came down to whom you'd prefer to have a beer with, why KingCharlemagne May 2015 #45

Yep. That's the way it works unfortunately LittleBlue May 2015 #51

Yes, Ralph Nader is an enemy of democracy and did everything he could to split the vote The Second Stone May 2015 #42

Why did Gore concede? - nt KingCharlemagne May 2015 #46

Entertaining but my list has nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #53

And then there was the Florida legislature's pledge Art_from_Ark May 2015 #56

Thanks, somehow I forgot that MAJOR detail nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #57

There were so many Republican shenanigans going on in Florida at the time, Art_from_Ark May 2015 #58

And we have not touched on 2004 nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #61

CIA guy put himself in charge of absentee ballots to help GOP... Octafish May 2015 #89

And if Nader hadn't also spoiled New Hampshire, Florida's electoral votes could have The Second Stone May 2015 #78

And if Gore won Arkansas or Tennessee, which he did not nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #99

Perhaps any one of those would have swung a few thousand votes The Second Stone May 2015 #59

One of them would have been enough, iike 70K Reagan Democrats nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #60

Yes, I remember it well, and with the dirty tricks that we see in most elections The Second Stone May 2015 #67

Nader was a third party pol nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #68

Another thing the right wing is/was wrong about. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #72

Ross Perot absolutely ran to spoil the race of GHW Bush and throw it to Clinton The Second Stone May 2015 #73

Third parties exist nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #90

Nice for you to admit that is how they are used The Second Stone May 2015 #97

Nope no admission there nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #98

You can't forget current Florida Democratic Chair Allison Tant think May 2015 #47

This can't be emphasized enough sketchy May 2015 #54

I voted in 2000 - I think Aerows May 2015 #79

Here's who stole the 2000 election... Octafish May 2015 #88

They were a large part yes. nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #92

It was part of a Big Act. Octafish May 2015 #93

The problem these but Nader guys have nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #94

The Five Stooges YoungDemCA May 2015 #95

Those are the biggest enemies of American democracy that we have ever seen world wide wally May 2015 #96

I Voted for Nader HassleCat May 2015 #101