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Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
60. I'm in NC and I started out pro-death penalty,
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:42 AM
May 2015

based on the opinions of those around me. Through the years, I wised up to how a lot of attitudes around me are considered barbaric in more civilized areas of the country. Since thinking for myself, I am no longer pro-death penalty.

And to me, it is pro-death.

Where I live, those who are pro-death penalty also tend to repeat the harshest parts of the Bible as if that is all there is in there. They are the types of people who use "spare the rod, spoil the child" to justify things like child abuse. Even if you think that is only an observation, look at how many actual criminal cases involve parents who either maimed or killed their kid and what their excuse was. If any lawyer ever decided to do a study in NC of the attitudes of the people, especially in certain areas, compare that to crimes against animals and children and the elderly, not to mention the crimes against women, and type of beliefs about religion and the attitudes about the death penalty, I can guarantee they would find connections that would blow people's minds. I've been watching it for years, but finding anyone with the right credentials to either confirm or deny what I have seen and heard and see if there is a connection like I think I see, well, that probably won't happen. People in this area either clam up or outright lie if anyone from outside the area starts asking questions.

It's not just in smaller towns either. Sure, Raleigh and Asheville are nice areas that aren't, overall, like that, but check out Gastonia, aka known in NC as Gunstonia, and the areas around Charlotte. Daily, preachers, teachers, and others in positions of authority over children are committing sex crimes and other violent crimes against kids, but dare to say anything about how pedophiles and child murderers are entrenched in a lot of religious groups here and you'll be seen as a monster. It is in the news every day, though. They refuse to see Pastor X as anything but a Saint and until Pastor X is busted by cops, kids have to put up with the abuse. Same with teachers as well.

And that is just in NC. I don't even want to imagine how bad it is in SC and other states that have that attitude. I do think there is a connection between pro-death penalty states and the attitudes of the citizens in those states. That doesn't mean all citizens, obviously, but the majority. My question is why do people think of it as a deterrent when the actual facts prove otherwise?

Thoughts on the Death Penalty [View all] Jackpine Radical May 2015 OP
I'm 100% against the death penalty. onehandle May 2015 #1
+1 daleanime May 2015 #44
k&r uppityperson May 2015 #2
And then there was one less ten commandments seveneyes May 2015 #3
Those are the exact reasons I'm against the death penalty. NuclearDem May 2015 #4
Agree, but life in a supermax prison may be worse JustABozoOnThisBus May 2015 #5
Why a Supermax? Jackpine Radical May 2015 #9
I have no reason, other than the debates on DU over the last few days. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2015 #10
23 hours a day of solitary confinement for life. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #13
Here's what that "nothing" causes: F4lconF16 May 2015 #39
The American Oubliette... haikugal May 2015 #58
it is torture Voice for Peace May 2015 #59
Close the supermax. End life without parole eligibility. morningfog May 2015 #11
Agree. Thank you. nt F4lconF16 May 2015 #65
The Horror seveneyes May 2015 #15
+1 Jefferson23 May 2015 #6
I am against the death penalty, across the board petronius May 2015 #7
Across the Board seveneyes May 2015 #17
For decades it's been a fact that states without the death penalty have lower murder rates......... George II May 2015 #38
Correlation is not causation. rogerashton May 2015 #8
I'm quite aware of how to interpret a correlation. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #12
Getting up off the floor literally malaise May 2015 #16
What if the murder rate in those states would be higher without the DP? NotoriousRBG May 2015 #19
Why might that be? Jackpine Radical May 2015 #24
If only you had some peer reviewed evidence to back phil89 May 2015 #20
Peer-reviewed evidence? WTF is that? Jackpine Radical May 2015 #32
Makes sense to me, Doc. eom rogerashton May 2015 #66
Almost every other country in the world gets along just fine without a death penalty. SheilaT May 2015 #14
Almost every other country in the world gets along just fine with the USA picking up the defense tab seveneyes May 2015 #18
And how is that relevant to the death penalty? SheilaT May 2015 #21
So Goddamned relevant, it's often overlooked seveneyes May 2015 #22
Gosh. We have the death penalty so as to spare other countries from having it? SheilaT May 2015 #23
I trust we're dealing with a bit of Jackpine Radical May 2015 #25
Yep. Well, maybe more irony than sarcasm. Especially when SheilaT May 2015 #27
I guess the notion is that we're the wholesale death merchants to the world. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #29
Hmmm. I've been known to write science fiction, SheilaT May 2015 #33
Jeez, why not? Jackpine Radical May 2015 #34
I've already written a story in which SheilaT May 2015 #35
I so want to read that. F4lconF16 May 2015 #43
Sounds fascinating. BeanMusical May 2015 #51
Thanks for that. SheilaT May 2015 #57
It's so simple it is often ignored seveneyes May 2015 #26
Thanks for a great post!!!! +1000 nt Logical May 2015 #28
Ritualized Human Sacrifice. Downwinder May 2015 #30
100% against. No exceptions. Fearless May 2015 #31
I think it's good to keep Omnith May 2015 #36
Why? Jackpine Radical May 2015 #37
Society benefits by not having him part of it. Omnith May 2015 #42
How exactly was McVeigh part of society after he was incarcerated? nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #45
He wouldn't be in either case. Omnith May 2015 #47
You are referring me to a fiction book written under commission nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #48
I'm glad you hold life sacred Omnith May 2015 #49
I believe the state should not kill in my name nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #50
Cost to society? Omnith May 2015 #54
Funny, most nations can get along without murdering nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #55
I guess we just see things differently Omnith May 2015 #63
The death benefit is a negative to society Major Nikon May 2015 #67
+1 Well said. BeanMusical May 2015 #52
The death penalty is just the most extreme of our criminal system nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #40
I can't recommend this post enough. F4lconF16 May 2015 #46
Excellent contribution to this discussion Nadin. haikugal May 2015 #62
I fully agree. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #69
Grotesque. haikugal May 2015 #72
Add one more reason: criminal charges are more often brought against minorities and the poor jwirr May 2015 #41
Kick and R. BeanMusical May 2015 #53
I am opposed to the death penalty in all cases Blue_In_AK May 2015 #56
I'm in NC and I started out pro-death penalty, Jamastiene May 2015 #60
It really rings true to me. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #76
Am against the death penalty unless akbacchus_BC May 2015 #61
Then it sounds like you are against the death penalty in all cases Major Nikon May 2015 #68
great post, thought provoking, thank you! Voice for Peace May 2015 #64
Thank you so much for that! Jackpine Radical May 2015 #71
For many years I was on the fence about the death penalty davidpdx May 2015 #70
There is one place, and one place only hifiguy May 2015 #73
And that's the one place we in the US do not apply it. Seems the more people you kill, the less sabrina 1 May 2015 #74
Not even there, afaic. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #78
The death penalty is only one very visible facet... Orsino May 2015 #75
K&R! mvd May 2015 #77
Utah is a death penalty state... TeeYiYi May 2015 #79
A funny thing about geometric means-- Jackpine Radical May 2015 #80
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