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Octafish

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83. Isn't just the money. It's their friends, too.
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:56 PM
May 2015

For instance, this image has me wondering about our national back-story...

Kennebunkport, July 30, 1983: Bill Clinton, George Bush & George Wallace



Wallace and his third wife, the former Lisa Taylor, meet with Vice President George Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton at a lobster bake at Bush's residence at Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. The third Mrs. Wallace, whom the governor married in 1981, was 30 years his junior and half of a country-western singing duo, Mona and Lisa, who had performed during his campaign in 1968.

CREDIT: AP/Birmingham Post

SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-wallace/13/

Here's analysis from 2007 that got Bartcop so mad he stopped being nice to Robert Parry. Funny thing, no one thought the winning Democratic candidate would also feel so closely about "looking forward."



Hillary Signals Free Pass for Bush

By Robert Parry
ConsortiumNews.com, December 31, 2007

Hillary Clinton’s campaign is signaling that a second Clinton presidency will follow the look-to-the-future, don’t-worry-about-accountability approach toward Republican wrongdoing that marked Bill Clinton’s years in office.

That was the significance of former President Clinton’s remarkable Dec. 17 comment that his wife’s first act in the White House would be to send Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush on an around-the-world mission to repair America’s damaged image.

“The first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again,” said Bill Clinton, who has accompanied the senior Bush on international humanitarian missions over the past several years.

What was perhaps most stunning about the remark was its assumption that Americans would be impressed that the country’s two dominant political dynasties would team up in early 2009 to tidy up some of the mess created by the headstrong son of the senior dynasty, the Bush Family.

The Bushes and the Clintons – who have held pieces of the nation’s executive power for more than a quarter century dating back to George H.W. Bush’s election as Vice President in 1980 – essentially would be keeping matters within the board rooms of the Washington Establishment.

In responding to Bill Clinton’s remark, George H.W. Bush issued a statement making clear he would not join in any slap at his son’s foreign policy. That also means Hillary Clinton’s “first thing” is unthinkable if her new administration were trying to exact any accountability from George W. Bush for his wrongdoing.

So, to get the senior Bush’s cooperation on the worldwide tour, there would have to be an implicit understanding that the second Clinton administration wouldn’t investigate the younger Bush’s crimes – from authorizing torture, ordering warrantless wiretaps, exposing CIA officer Valerie Plame’s identity, waging war under false pretenses and other abuses of executive powers.

If Hillary Clinton does get elected, you can expect to hear lots of talk about “leaving that one for the historians” or about the danger of increased partisanship if the Democrats were viewed as trying to “get even” by exposing Bush’s offenses.

The wise heads of Washington surely would nod in approval at this “bipartisanship” of a Democratic administration deciding not to get bogged down in “refighting the battles” of the second Bush administration.

The First Clinton-Bush Deal

That’s exactly what happened in 1993 when Bill Clinton entered the White House after defeating George H.W. Bush.

Clinton and other senior Democrats shut down or wrapped up four investigations that implicated senior Republicans, including Bush, in constitutional abuses of power and criminal wrongdoing during the Reagan-Bush years.

The Iran-Contra arms-for-hostages case was still alive, with special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh furious over new evidence that President George H.W. Bush may have obstructed justice by withholding his own notes from investigators and then ducking an interview that Walsh had put off until after the 1992 elections.

Bush also had sabotaged the investigation by pardoning six Iran-Contra defendants on Christmas Eve 1992, possibly the first presidential pardon ever issued to protect the same President from criminal liability.

In late 1992, Congress also was investigating Bush’s alleged role in secretly aiding Iraq’s Saddam Hussein during and after Hussein’s eight-year-long war with Iran.

Representative Henry Gonzalez, a Democrat from Texas who had served three decades in Congress, had exposed intricate financial schemes that the Reagan-Bush administrations employed to assist Hussein. There also were allegations of indirect U.S. military aid through third countries, including the supply of dangerous chemicals to Iraq.

Lesser known investigations were examining two other sets of alleged wrongdoing: the so-called October Surprise issue (allegations that Bush and other Republicans interfered with Jimmy Carter’s hostage negotiations with Iran during the 1980 campaign) and the Passportgate affair (evidence that Bush operatives improperly searched Clinton’s passport file in 1992, looking for dirt that could be used to discredit his patriotism and secure reelection for Bush).

All told, the four sets of allegations, if true, would paint an unflattering portrait of the 12-year Republican rule, with two illegal dirty tricks (October Surprise and Passportgate) book-ending ill-considered national security schemes in the Middle East (Iran-Contra and Iraqgate).

Had the full stories been told, the American people might have perceived the legacies of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush quite differently.

But the Clinton administration and congressional Democrats dropped all four investigations beginning in early 1993, either through benign neglect – by failing to hold hearings and keeping the issues alive in the news media – or by actively closing the door on investigative leads.

Clinton let George H.W. Bush retreat gracefully into retirement. [For details on the scandals, see Robert Parry’s Secrecy & Privilege.]

Joining the Cover-ups

In his 2004 memoir, My Life, Clinton wrote that he “disagreed with the [Iran-Contra] pardons and could have made more of them but didn’t.” Clinton cited several reasons for giving his predecessor a pass.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided, even if that split would be to my political advantage,” Clinton wrote. “Finally, President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the matter between him and his conscience.”

By his choice of words, Clinton revealed how he saw information – not something that belonged to the American people and had intrinsic value to the democratic process – but as a potential weapon that could be put to “political advantage.”

On the Iran-Contra pardons, Clinton saw himself as generously passing up a club that he could have wielded to bludgeon an adversary. He chose instead to join in a cover-up in the name of national unity.

Similarly, the Democratic congressional leadership ignored the flood of incriminating evidence pouring in to the “October Surprise” task force in December 1992.

Chief counsel Lawrence Barcella told me later that he urged task force chairman Lee Hamilton to extend the investigation several months to examine this new evidence of Republican guilt, but Hamilton ordered Barcella simply to wrap up the probe with a finding that the 1980 Reagan-Bush campaign had done nothing wrong.

Some of the new incriminating evidence – including an unprecedented report from the Russian government about its knowledge of illicit Republican contacts with Iran – was simply hidden away in boxes that I discovered two years later and dubbed “The October Surprise X-Files.”

The “Iraqgate” investigation met a similar fate under Clinton’s Justice Department, which chose to ignore or dismiss evidence of covert shipments of war materiel to Saddam Hussein during the 1980s.

In 1995, when former Reagan national security official Howard Teicher came forward with an affidavit describing secret U.S.-backed arms shipments to Iraq, Clinton’s Justice Department went on the offensive – against Teicher, trying to discredit him and bullying him into silence.

That same year, the Clinton administration did nothing when Reagan’s 1984 campaign chief Ed Rollins wrote in his 1996 memoir Bare Knuckles and Back Rooms that a top Filipino politician had admitted delivering an illegal $10 million cash payment to Reagan from Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

"I was the guy who gave the ten million from Marcos to your campaign," the Filipino told Rollins in 1991, according to the memoir. "I was the guy who made the arrangements and delivered the cash personally. ...It was a personal gift from Marcos to Reagan."

The stunning anecdote did attract some press coverage in 1996 but the story died because the Clinton administration made no effort to follow it up. No government investigator demanded that Rollins reveal the identities of the Filipino politician and the Republican lobbyist who handled the pay-off.

(Rollins is now chairman of Republican Mike Huckabee’s presidential campaign.) [For details on Marcos-Reagan case, see Consortiumnews.com’s “Huckabee’s Chairman Hid Payoff Secret.”]

Proving Themselves

In the mid-1990s, even as the Republican attack machine pounded the Clintons with allegations about alleged ethical lapses and marital infidelities, the Clinton administration acted like it was determined to prove that it could be trusted with the nation’s dark secrets, that it could cover up wrongdoing with the best of them.

The consequence for America, however, was different. With George H.W. Bush’s dubious public record whitewashed, the door was opened to the restoration of the Bush Dynasty. If the full truth had been known about former President Bush, it’s hard to conceive how George W. Bush ever could have become President.

Now, as Hillary Clinton seeks a strong showing in the Iowa caucuses to solidify her image as the inevitable Democratic nominee, she appears ready to pick up the mantle as the Democratic protector of the Bush Family’s legacy. Though she may utter some tough words about George W. Bush on the campaign trail, she’s not likely to follow up if she wins the White House.

If Bill Clinton is telling the truth about Hillary Clinton’s “first thing” to do as President – recruiting George H.W. Bush for a worldwide goodwill tour on behalf of America’s image – that will require closing the door on any serious investigation of George W. Bush.

The two dynastic families then can look to the future, again.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush, was written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat, and can be ordered at neckdeepbook.com. His two previous books, Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq and Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth' are also available there. Or go to Amazon.com.

SOURCE (OK to post in full, per ConsortiumNews): https://consortiumnews.com/2007/123107.html



Something is very wrong when the rich keep getting rich from wars without end.

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Good luck, Cali. marym625 May 2015 #1
YOU MUSST NOT SPEAK ILL of the Clintonesss...We loves them my precious... Katashi_itto May 2015 #28
hee hee marym625 May 2015 #38
:) Katashi_itto May 2015 #39
Brilliant. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #64
Lol! Cool! Katashi_itto May 2015 #88
lol LiberalLovinLug May 2015 #48
Lol! BeanMusical May 2015 #51
The easy to get at Precious is mostly in the Middle East eridani May 2015 #120
They are flawed for sure unlike Bernie redstateblues May 2015 #154
Same As The Bushes billhicks76 May 2015 #145
I have no problem with them making money out of office redstateblues May 2015 #2
Last time we had a Clinton as president we didn't go into Bosnia? GummyBearz May 2015 #7
too bad he didn't go into rwanda certainot May 2015 #60
No shit! L0oniX May 2015 #133
Ouch! 7962 May 2015 #138
+1000 marym625 May 2015 #146
Somalia too. beltanefauve May 2015 #169
No boots on the ground. No thousands of our soldiers dead redstateblues May 2015 #153
Got a picture for you... Scootaloo May 2015 #172
thanks for your reply and its non-defensive tone. cali May 2015 #16
The quid pro quo is what Exilednight May 2015 #37
I agree with you. It's extremely naive to think there is no quid pro quo when rhett o rick May 2015 #101
Even when it's not completely intentional... rbnyc May 2015 #129
I find this to be the same in journalism Exilednight May 2015 #140
great point rbnyc May 2015 #141
Money Interests - Especially in the Hundreds of Thousands in Greenbacks LovingA2andMI May 2015 #166
There was no quid pro quo awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #180
If you are being sarcastic please give me a sign I am sarcasm deficient. rhett o rick May 2015 #185
Sorry, when I read it awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #186
No it's me. I usually have a chip on my shoulder just waiting to unload. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #188
Read 1939 May 2015 #23
I don't have a problem with them making money if they get a job and work for it. rhett o rick May 2015 #102
+1 who cares how much money they make? treestar May 2015 #106
Then let's stop criticizing Republicans who do the same thing. People want to hear them also, sabrina 1 May 2015 #162
Thank You!!! LovingA2andMI May 2015 #167
But other people are deciding they want to pay the money treestar May 2015 #174
And Hillary pulled herself out of poverty!!!! nt Logical May 2015 #122
Because that $25,000,000 was all because they are so entertaining, not that everyone knew Dustlawyer May 2015 #124
Perhaps the focus should on the efforts the Clintons do rather than the money issue. Thinkingabout May 2015 #3
that's right. And when we look at some of what BC did while in office, we cali May 2015 #18
If you want to say this, it was also a time when Bernie was in Congress, what did Thinkingabout May 2015 #24
You do realize Bernie Sanders voted against repealing Glass-Steagal right? think May 2015 #27
He was still a part of Congress which repealed the Glass-Steagal, he should be looked Thinkingabout May 2015 #34
So he's responsible for the Democrats that sold out and voted for it? That's really twisted logic. think May 2015 #45
Did he try to influnce others? Did he talk to other Congressional members? Thinkingabout May 2015 #47
He VOTED against it. And what did Bill Clinton do? Oh ya, He made it law..... think May 2015 #56
May I ask, how far back does your "know your current events" date back to? 2banon May 2015 #104
From the Congressional Record OnlinePoker May 2015 #114
owned. Qutzupalotl May 2015 #151
"Did he try to influence others?" Why are you asking that. If you are trying to make rhett o rick May 2015 #187
Speaking of IWR vote neverforget May 2015 #99
Did you forget the conditions of the IWR? Thinkingabout May 2015 #109
I know Senator Clinton is not responsible for her vote. She's blameless. I get it. neverforget May 2015 #116
But just a few posts above that poster said Sanders was responsible for ALL of congress' cui bono May 2015 #160
Yes it certainly is possible neverforget May 2015 #164
Did I say she was blameless for her vote? Even Hillary has said she would like to Thinkingabout May 2015 #173
That vote had a consequence which you seem unable to acknowledge. It gave President Bush legal neverforget May 2015 #175
Okay, wait... so Sanders is responsible for all members of Congress' vote even though he voted cui bono May 2015 #158
He did actually, when he votes against a bill his habit is to use his floor time to speak forcefully Dragonfli May 2015 #117
Have you ever known him to just sit quietly and not speak? 7962 May 2015 #139
Wow. So now one member of congress is responsible for the votes of all other members cui bono May 2015 #157
Senator Sanders.... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #168
You need to do some research. He voted against the repeal of Glass-Steagall cali May 2015 #40
I did not say Bernie did not vote for the repeal of Glass-Steagall, he was a part of Congress Thinkingabout May 2015 #43
you are not thinkingabout this too clearly are you? LiberalLovinLug May 2015 #52
Oh, wow, they can never compromise, guess this is why we have a do nothing congress, Thinkingabout May 2015 #53
disingenuous blather. cali May 2015 #66
Woooooooooooooooosh LiberalLovinLug May 2015 #67
and there's the stupid food fight- which I stupidly got sucked right into cali May 2015 #71
you are so full of.... nonsense that it's pointless trying to have a discussion with you cali May 2015 #65
Perhaps bringing up subjects such as Glass-Stegall may be overwhelming for some. Thinkingabout May 2015 #82
You don't even make any sense. defensive garbage cali May 2015 #84
There will never be a sane conversation, won't happen. Some has Thinkingabout May 2015 #115
I think there was a great effort... rbnyc May 2015 #131
Jaw dropping Comment. Absolutely Devoid of Logic alone, forget pretense of intellectual honesty. 2banon May 2015 #105
Welfare "reform", the Telecom Act, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act hifiguy May 2015 #89
same old same old, nothing new. Thinkingabout May 2015 #110
Given the immense damage Clinton-backed policies caused, hifiguy May 2015 #112
More of the same, still nothing new. Thinkingabout May 2015 #113
What do you mean? rbnyc May 2015 #135
OK - let's start with NAFTA, Banking deregulation, brutal welfare "reform", offshoring whereisjustice May 2015 #79
So true. And they have to raise money. treestar May 2015 #107
Chump change to a Koch Brother, a Walton, or an Adelson. onehandle May 2015 #4
No the real enemy is within. zeemike May 2015 #15
+1 marym625 May 2015 #42
Blammo. hifiguy May 2015 #90
yes, but that's not the only point. The Clintons are wealthy today because of their close cali May 2015 #21
Somewhat tangentially, this reminds me again to ask Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #5
You're right, but let's face it. Any attempt to discuss the intersection of money and politics cali May 2015 #22
Nah, then they'd have to actually discuss the "attack". jeff47 May 2015 #119
The "Clintons" aren't running BainsBane May 2015 #6
Regarding their income it is a joint effort madville May 2015 #9
How about the Sanders and the O'Malleys? BainsBane May 2015 #11
The topic is their income madville May 2015 #13
Sure, let's discuss it. I don't know much about the O'Malley's finances cali May 2015 #25
sorry, I don't buy that. Far more than most potential nominees- and not just cali May 2015 #29
+1 BeanMusical May 2015 #46
I don't have it any way BainsBane May 2015 #62
THEY made it. cali May 2015 #73
She has already run for President and was a Senator, if her positions are so different then it TheKentuckian May 2015 #178
That is true but I seem to remember that during his term she was called one of his advisors. And jwirr May 2015 #41
Members of political dynasties forfeit to some degree their ability to be viewed as individuals. tritsofme May 2015 #55
A dynasty BainsBane May 2015 #58
You may view it that way. tritsofme May 2015 #63
Worshipping... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #170
She conflates the two herself shaayecanaan May 2015 #165
I still would have voted for John Kennedy given the chance. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #8
Poor comparison. Kennedy didn't make his money through being in politics. cali May 2015 #30
Precisely...His dad set him and his siblings up with trust funds so they would never have to work... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #35
We have had many rich Presidents but how they made their money was not always okay with the jwirr May 2015 #44
Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband made at least $30 million over the last 16 months, stonecutter357 May 2015 #10
Exactly MaggieD May 2015 #121
First, change the system. procon May 2015 #12
In other words "don't hate the playa, hate the game." DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #14
I was going to point this out too justiceischeap May 2015 #17
The obvious solution is publically funded national campaigns. procon May 2015 #81
I actually suggested in another post in this OP an justiceischeap May 2015 #91
Most of it came from speeches to corporate interests. Quid pro quo? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #19
I'm not even suggesting that. But to deny influence is INSANITY cali May 2015 #32
The quid pro quo I'm talking about IS influence. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #36
"I'd be happy to stipulate that they haven't done anything illegal" brooklynite May 2015 #20
thing is bigtree May 2015 #26
I prefer to discuss the policy differences between Secretary of State Clinton, Senator Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #31
Cali, you are spot on. Mbrow May 2015 #33
Kick and R. Good post. BeanMusical May 2015 #49
Here's a list of the 10 richest politicians in US politics justiceischeap May 2015 #50
Small correction... F4lconF16 May 2015 #96
Government is a profitable business... kentuck May 2015 #54
Whether people want to talk about it or not..... daleanime May 2015 #57
I'd like to know what she is saying in the speeches fadedrose May 2015 #59
I agree fadedrose. I've heard it called RiverLover May 2015 #70
Wow fadedrose May 2015 #85
Payola extrodinaires. L0oniX May 2015 #137
It comes down to the question of, do you want to continue this miserable status quo, or not. Enthusiast May 2015 #61
They couldn't wash the political stink off the "foundation" with bleach and a firehose. eom whereisjustice May 2015 #68
I think what that actually means is... wyldwolf May 2015 #69
The polls may not be rigged, but our sources of information are RufusTFirefly May 2015 #87
You're assuming you have some special insight... wyldwolf May 2015 #94
This is a dumb post: Its takes money to become President!! lewebley3 May 2015 #72
bullshit propaganda. Not even tangentially connected to reality. cali May 2015 #75
Paved the way for offshoring our jobs as well with NAFTA & China's PNTR's status. RiverLover May 2015 #78
You are probably a right wing troll, not a Bernie supporter: lewebley3 May 2015 #191
Let's examine that proposition, genius. cali May 2015 #192
Using the word stupid: Detracts from your argument lewebley3 May 2015 #195
calling me a right wing troll discredited every already lame word YOU cali May 2015 #197
Troll, is the right word for someone pretending to be Bernie supporter: It fits! lewebley3 May 2015 #198
There is something wrong with how they earn their money. They take cash from corporations whereisjustice May 2015 #80
No there is not something wrong with earning money: Its what it takes to become President! lewebley3 May 2015 #100
There is something wrong with the WAY they earn money. See the difference? Or are you whereisjustice May 2015 #176
There is no free market: Thats a GOP lie: but Senators are being hired and sold. lewebley3 May 2015 #181
gee, funny that not all Senators are hired are sold. One of mine is the longest cali May 2015 #193
They politicians, they had to get their money from somewhere: They are for Sale too! lewebley3 May 2015 #194
fail. your record of fail is impeccable- if you don't know cali May 2015 #196
I would agree they have to be at least middle class treestar May 2015 #108
To put it into simple-minded terms, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #74
yes, and it's insane to think that the banksters weren't grateful cali May 2015 #76
evaluating US politics is dishonest and incomplete until the left certainot May 2015 #77
Isn't just the money. It's their friends, too. Octafish May 2015 #83
Thank you, Ocatafish, for truthtelling. NYC_SKP May 2015 #161
That picture has always disturbed me too LovingA2andMI May 2015 #171
Hillary Clinton is highly respected and KMOD May 2015 #86
125 million is walking around money for the Koch bros workinclasszero May 2015 #92
Polarization and partisanship are not sane carolinayellowdog May 2015 #93
I'm a HRC supporter and I agree. BKH70041 May 2015 #95
I disagree. F4lconF16 May 2015 #98
Of course, no one person can give $50k. The limit is $2700. salib May 2015 #128
We can talk about it all we want to, nobody is stopping us. Rex May 2015 #97
If the Bushes got rich for destroying the republic... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #103
NAFTA, banking deregulation, throwing poor people into the street with brutal welfare reform? Both whereisjustice May 2015 #177
Under Bill Clinton DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #182
He signed the laws that nearly destroyed us with corruption and sent a million jobs away and whereisjustice May 2015 #183
Presidents are responsible for their tenures... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #184
Presidents are responsible for the laws they design to impact the next generation, the data whereisjustice May 2015 #189
I trust HRC will usher in another era of unprecedented peace and prosperity like her husband... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #190
I do agree heaven05 May 2015 #111
Gee, the last time I talked to Bill Clinton, it cost me....... DFW May 2015 #118
I would say anyone if pretty accessible if you get past their handlers! WTF? nt Logical May 2015 #123
Don't spend a lot of time in DC, do you? WTF? DFW May 2015 #159
That would be great. You start. MineralMan May 2015 #125
wow rbnyc May 2015 #126
I wish you could, too. nt aka-chmeee May 2015 #127
"I wish we could talk sanely about the Clintons" azureblue May 2015 #130
The way I read the OP and this reply: rbnyc May 2015 #132
Hmm, the OP made the prospect of even-handed discussion a nonstarter kjones May 2015 #156
Thank you so much! workinclasszero May 2015 #144
Great post. The idea that Clinton is corrupt because redstateblues May 2015 #155
It started in Arkansas with the Waltons , Tysons and The Stephens boys. LiberalArkie May 2015 #134
Here??? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #136
I'm an idiot. joshcryer May 2015 #142
It seems like all you do is talk about it. nt BreakfastClub May 2015 #143
dunno cali. you have pretty much done nothing but talk the horrors of clinton vs sanders the savior seabeyond May 2015 #147
Put in my Twonies worth... Thespian2 May 2015 #148
are morals needed, for a presidential candidate? quadrature May 2015 #149
Thanks for trying dreamnightwind May 2015 #150
Okay. OnyxCollie May 2015 #152
OK, what did they talk about? What did they say? nt jazzimov May 2015 #163
"Money buys access" awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #179
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