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freshwest

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68. I don't think so. None of the candidates have his temperament and brilliance. Certainly Hillary and
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:09 PM
May 2015

Last edited Thu May 21, 2015, 01:52 AM - Edit history (4)

Bernie are very smart people, but neither has the temperament or the experience from living abroad of Obama. None of the candidates do. We won't see that in 2016.

Bernie is just what he is, no more or less. Refreshing to some, frustrating to those who want him to get into their boat. Like his 'support for guns' and voting against the Brady Bill (we don't have the reason on that, and his vote didn't change anything and he knew it didn't),

his support for the wasteful F-35 (which likely provided the tax base from high paying jobs working on it and built the praised waterfront in Burlington;

and he said is was going to be the F35 or something just like it as NATO wanted it would get it from us or some other nation, so why not us?),

and protecting Israel because Hamas is a danger;

and fighting ISIS, even though he disagrees on strategy with some, it is necessary.

He has his own way of looking at the world and his supporters need to understand that he is a mature, responsible politician, and not the ultra liberal they assume that a Democratic Socialist is always a pacifist, which is not true at all.

Clinton is complicated, has seen a lot, been down many paths. She has traveled the world to push women's rights and that of children, told us things we did not know and how precious what rights we do have here and is for reversing the tide. This is not getting support online, but it is in the real world. Those who support women's rights are simply not popular in the online world, our conservative nation and the World who don't want to hear what they see as an incoherent voice that profits them none, may even get in the way of their schemes.

But I think, like Bernie, that Barack and Hillary have kept true to their own principles, no matter the obstacles. They are exceedingly strong, focused individuals. And very different from each other.

There is one place where they meet in word and deed, they will give in for the public good, and that means not fooling around by not supporting or voting for the nominee of the Democratic Party.



HRC supported Obama after a brutal campaign. Sanders says he will not play the part of a spoiler and allow another right wing Republican into the White House as he sees the bigger picture. He is running against the billionaire class, has called out the Koches as much as Reid and Obama has. Hillary has to some extent, but everything she says is so in context, there are no soundbytes to make memes. I see this as her greatest weakness.

Some only see a small goal they want to attain, which will be no one's gain but the GOP.

The Democrats see people as valuable and not as liabilities on a profit and loss spreadsheet. But that's how the GOP classifies people. They twist their words to pretend they are saying other things, but their heart is not in it.

The reason they have a fetus fetish is it's their escape clause for their inhuman plans for millions, logic dictates that is what they are doing. They are killing the innocent now. So they make a fetish of the unborn, hoping to cleanse themselves and not be stained by what they are doing to us.

I can see a lot of women are not buying it and are for Hillary, since because never wavered on women's rights and fights back and cannot be talked down to by misogynists. I have considered her to be for a long time the voice of the unspoken rage of millions of women. That is why she is so hated and feared. All the stuff flung at her is a diversion. She will rock their world, they know it.

As I've said elsewhere, I won't disrespect the things people see as sympathico in HRC, ever, when I talk about Sanders. It doesn't work to change minds. Snarks and cheap shots score points online with some but don't change minds. (Not talking about you, Tarheel.)

That immature behavior just puts up walls. Our candidates don't stoop to that and if a person supports someone for POTUS, why not emulate them?

This is not a game. Real people's lives are at stake.

PPP poll: Hillary leads Bernie 63% to 13% [View all] muriel_volestrangler May 2015 OP
Chafee is polling higher than O'Malley Renew Deal May 2015 #1
+1. freshwest May 2015 #48
That will change once he steps into the race I think. Agschmid May 2015 #57
Hillary has a formidable lead, no doubt about it. morningfog May 2015 #2
You can get a 100-1 odds on Bernie wiining the IA caucus at off shore gaming sites DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #22
If he's got a chance the caucus is where he will do it. Agschmid May 2015 #58
Thee are probably minimums but if someone even had an inkling he can win IA... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #60
My job prevents gambling money... Agschmid May 2015 #62
Do you have a security clearance? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #64
No, it means I need a raise... Agschmid May 2015 #65
I don't even have a checkbook but If I thought Bernie could win IA DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #73
Too early to tell yet madokie May 2015 #3
What usually happens in Republican world is the latest person to announce moves to the head of the.. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #13
Last time I checked, we're not Republicans. Exilednight May 2015 #41
Are you saying that Bernie will capture the imagination of a nation like Obama did? Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #43
Two part answer Exilednight May 2015 #45
Everything imaginable has been thrown at Hillary Clinton, it has made NO difference in her chances.. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #53
Republicans have only thrown rocks so far. They're holding the boulders Exilednight May 2015 #56
Good luck convincing the rest of the party of that. Did you hear? She's 50 pts ahead of her nearest Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #59
And polls mean what at this point in the primary? Exilednight May 2015 #67
... Agschmid May 2015 #61
Compared to Bernie? Yes. Exilednight May 2015 #69
What has he done? What has she done? Agschmid May 2015 #71
Allow me to answer with the same question about Hillary. Exilednight May 2015 #76
I'm not a supporter of her's so I don't feel the need to compile a list... Agschmid May 2015 #77
She claims to have been duped by W on her IWR vote. If you were Exilednight May 2015 #78
Your goal posts just moved. Agschmid May 2015 #79
Not at all. I can't point to anything in her record and Exilednight May 2015 #85
Nothing? Agschmid May 2015 #89
I don't think so. None of the candidates have his temperament and brilliance. Certainly Hillary and freshwest May 2015 #68
..... sufrommich May 2015 #75
I always enjoy your posts, freshwest. KMOD May 2015 #84
TY. I've edited and added a picture of my favorite Democrat! And talked more on HRC. n/t freshwest May 2015 #88
Your favorite Democrat is also one of my favorite Democrats, ever. KMOD May 2015 #90
That "not sure" category is going to start seeing some certainty! arcane1 May 2015 #4
It's an uphill battle, no doubt... kentuck May 2015 #5
Huge showing for Bernie this early in the game. True Blue Door May 2015 #6
Yes, rooting for Bernie. Expect others to soon get in the race and make it interesting. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #81
At this point pintobean May 2015 #7
Except that Bernie's 'unfavorable' number is already higher than Hillary's muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #15
Exactly....those unfavorables are ugly. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #21
The S word will be an albatross for Bernie redstateblues May 2015 #82
We're Just Gettin' Warmsed-Up !!! WillyT May 2015 #8
two words olddots May 2015 #9
So what? Some DUers are claiming that it's vital for Hillary to persuade Bernie supporters muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #12
Yeah, it's early.. thanks mv Cha May 2015 #10
That is a big gap. Even if Bernie peeled off every other... JaneyVee May 2015 #11
Good news! leftofcool May 2015 #14
Polls mean a hill of beans at this point for anybody nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #16
Her unfavorables among Democrats and Indys have barely budged... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #38
Personally I just watch both train wrecks with bemused interest nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #40
Is this true? Agschmid May 2015 #63
Yes, people know who ted cruz is nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #66
I think this... Agschmid May 2015 #70
Oh I know people know who these guys are nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #74
Yeah well when Hillary's name is crossing my vision a dozen times a day SomethingFishy May 2015 #17
As I've pointed out, his 'unfavorable' number is already higher than hers muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #18
And he has a year and a half to do it. SomethingFishy May 2015 #19
He has less than a year to do it. He needs to win a primary Joe the Revelator May 2015 #23
Point taken. However I was just looking at the Polls from May 2007 which had Hillary SomethingFishy May 2015 #24
You can get 100 -1 odds on Bernie winning the IA Caucus at the off shore gaming sites DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #25
Yeah if I was stupid enough to gamble. SomethingFishy May 2015 #26
That's why it's not stupid for you to bet ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #28
Seriously? SomethingFishy May 2015 #30
I was trying to help you make money so you can improve your life or the life of others... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #31
There may be no one better at retail politics in the country than Bernie cali May 2015 #29
My experience is exactly opposite. I get my news online, though. n/t freshwest May 2015 #49
DU rec... SidDithers May 2015 #20
His unfavorables are higher than Clinton's BainsBane May 2015 #27
No shit, think about it, this is good news for BOTH of them. NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #34
Spin it baby! MaggieD May 2015 #36
You call it spin, I call it working to get a Democrat in the WH, but we may not have NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #37
A lot of interest in any of our candidates is good for us, unless we diss either one. n/t freshwest May 2015 #44
That is actually an excellent point. Hillary has been slammed by the media for what, two decades? Number23 May 2015 #50
Yes, Hillary has a big lead eight months out from the start of the primary season. /nt Marr May 2015 #32
What will be interesting is how O'Malley and Bernie treat one another nt geek tragedy May 2015 #33
Why? Do you think they are that far apart? Is there a history there? n/t freshwest May 2015 #47
No, that's the problem, they occupy much the same space--the "I'm more liberal than Hillary" geek tragedy May 2015 #52
None of them are Bernie. I hope he advances. n/t freshwest May 2015 #72
Yeah, like I said, he is not going to win MaggieD May 2015 #35
Bernie is still 2nd above the rest. That's encouraging. I got nothing bad to say about either, but freshwest May 2015 #39
Can't figure out why Biden hasn't thrown his hat into the ring Joe Turner May 2015 #42
Not really; 63% is the number who want her as candidate muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #46
I can figure it out Mnpaul May 2015 #51
Because he's not a very good presidential candidate. geek tragedy May 2015 #55
I like Joe Biden very much. He is my second choice... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #80
Yes, we all know she is going to win Doctor_J May 2015 #54
She has 100% name recognition. PeteSelman May 2015 #83
The American public is incredibly fickle though FLPanhandle May 2015 #86
1200 people out of (est) 235,000,000 voting age TBF May 2015 #87
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