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In reply to the discussion: PPP poll: Hillary leads Bernie 63% to 13% [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)68. I don't think so. None of the candidates have his temperament and brilliance. Certainly Hillary and
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Bernie are very smart people, but neither has the temperament or the experience from living abroad of Obama. None of the candidates do. We won't see that in 2016.Bernie is just what he is, no more or less. Refreshing to some, frustrating to those who want him to get into their boat. Like his 'support for guns' and voting against the Brady Bill (we don't have the reason on that, and his vote didn't change anything and he knew it didn't),
his support for the wasteful F-35 (which likely provided the tax base from high paying jobs working on it and built the praised waterfront in Burlington;
and he said is was going to be the F35 or something just like it as NATO wanted it would get it from us or some other nation, so why not us?),
and protecting Israel because Hamas is a danger;
and fighting ISIS, even though he disagrees on strategy with some, it is necessary.
He has his own way of looking at the world and his supporters need to understand that he is a mature, responsible politician, and not the ultra liberal they assume that a Democratic Socialist is always a pacifist, which is not true at all.
Clinton is complicated, has seen a lot, been down many paths. She has traveled the world to push women's rights and that of children, told us things we did not know and how precious what rights we do have here and is for reversing the tide. This is not getting support online, but it is in the real world. Those who support women's rights are simply not popular in the online world, our conservative nation and the World who don't want to hear what they see as an incoherent voice that profits them none, may even get in the way of their schemes.
But I think, like Bernie, that Barack and Hillary have kept true to their own principles, no matter the obstacles. They are exceedingly strong, focused individuals. And very different from each other.
There is one place where they meet in word and deed, they will give in for the public good, and that means not fooling around by not supporting or voting for the nominee of the Democratic Party.
HRC supported Obama after a brutal campaign. Sanders says he will not play the part of a spoiler and allow another right wing Republican into the White House as he sees the bigger picture. He is running against the billionaire class, has called out the Koches as much as Reid and Obama has. Hillary has to some extent, but everything she says is so in context, there are no soundbytes to make memes. I see this as her greatest weakness.
Some only see a small goal they want to attain, which will be no one's gain but the GOP.
The Democrats see people as valuable and not as liabilities on a profit and loss spreadsheet. But that's how the GOP classifies people. They twist their words to pretend they are saying other things, but their heart is not in it.
The reason they have a fetus fetish is it's their escape clause for their inhuman plans for millions, logic dictates that is what they are doing. They are killing the innocent now. So they make a fetish of the unborn, hoping to cleanse themselves and not be stained by what they are doing to us.
I can see a lot of women are not buying it and are for Hillary, since because never wavered on women's rights and fights back and cannot be talked down to by misogynists. I have considered her to be for a long time the voice of the unspoken rage of millions of women. That is why she is so hated and feared. All the stuff flung at her is a diversion. She will rock their world, they know it.
As I've said elsewhere, I won't disrespect the things people see as sympathico in HRC, ever, when I talk about Sanders. It doesn't work to change minds. Snarks and cheap shots score points online with some but don't change minds. (Not talking about you, Tarheel.)
That immature behavior just puts up walls. Our candidates don't stoop to that and if a person supports someone for POTUS, why not emulate them?
This is not a game. Real people's lives are at stake.
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You can get a 100-1 odds on Bernie wiining the IA caucus at off shore gaming sites
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#22
Thee are probably minimums but if someone even had an inkling he can win IA...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#60
What usually happens in Republican world is the latest person to announce moves to the head of the..
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#13
Are you saying that Bernie will capture the imagination of a nation like Obama did?
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#43
Everything imaginable has been thrown at Hillary Clinton, it has made NO difference in her chances..
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#53
Good luck convincing the rest of the party of that. Did you hear? She's 50 pts ahead of her nearest
Tarheel_Dem
May 2015
#59
I don't think so. None of the candidates have his temperament and brilliance. Certainly Hillary and
freshwest
May 2015
#68
TY. I've edited and added a picture of my favorite Democrat! And talked more on HRC. n/t
freshwest
May 2015
#88
Yes, rooting for Bernie. Expect others to soon get in the race and make it interesting.
InAbLuEsTaTe
May 2015
#81
Except that Bernie's 'unfavorable' number is already higher than Hillary's
muriel_volestrangler
May 2015
#15
So what? Some DUers are claiming that it's vital for Hillary to persuade Bernie supporters
muriel_volestrangler
May 2015
#12
As I've pointed out, his 'unfavorable' number is already higher than hers
muriel_volestrangler
May 2015
#18
Point taken. However I was just looking at the Polls from May 2007 which had Hillary
SomethingFishy
May 2015
#24
You can get 100 -1 odds on Bernie winning the IA Caucus at the off shore gaming sites
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#25
I was trying to help you make money so you can improve your life or the life of others...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#31
You call it spin, I call it working to get a Democrat in the WH, but we may not have
NoJusticeNoPeace
May 2015
#37
A lot of interest in any of our candidates is good for us, unless we diss either one. n/t
freshwest
May 2015
#44
That is actually an excellent point. Hillary has been slammed by the media for what, two decades?
Number23
May 2015
#50
Yes, Hillary has a big lead eight months out from the start of the primary season. /nt
Marr
May 2015
#32
No, that's the problem, they occupy much the same space--the "I'm more liberal than Hillary"
geek tragedy
May 2015
#52