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Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
14. I disagree in part with your analysis Cali
Sat May 30, 2015, 12:55 PM
May 2015

"I'll be voting to block the encroachment of religion in government. I'll be voting to retain our now shredded social safety net. I'll be voting to recognize the reality of climate change."

Her connections and respect for "the family" do not say to me that she will do any more than the bare minimum regarding religion in government, I see many government clergy "partnerships" in a future with her in office.

As to the safety net, I do not see her retaining it so much as destroying it at a slower pace, based on many things but largely based on her belief that a bipartisan commission like was done in the eighties as per her words in '08 would be the best approach (one that would likely raise the retirement age and increase the payroll tax) because raising the cap would in her mind be raising taxes on the middle class "yes, her words" - that says to me that raising payroll taxes on the actual middle class those below the cap as most are as well as all the poorer working demographics is preferable to actually taxing the payroll more fairly on the above middle class to her. I also expect some cuts in the "bi-partisan" commission's solutions.

Her love of fracking and oil will also negate if not overshadow any token policies regarding the environment.

I will give you the supreme court picks and women's rights and she will follow the general trend of society regarding bigotry as has always been her habit, she waits until such things gain social acceptance before committing to accept them as evidenced by her need to evolve on marriage equality (with her evolution oddly mirroring exactly public sentiments and polling).

I agree she will be somewhat better on social justice than any Republican opponent, but not dramatically so.
It will be a necessary vote, but not very much of a victory for those of us that are the victims of financial inequality that is churning out poverty as fast as it is wall st bonuses and profits.

The negatives far outweigh the positives... Let's work hard to make sure you don't have to vote HRC peacebird May 2015 #1
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I like #FeelTheBern myself! peacebird May 2015 #4
Love it! Roland99 May 2015 #53
Lets get dangerous? hrmjustin May 2015 #9
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How do you get dangerous? hrmjustin May 2015 #35
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Oh you think he is dangerous to the status quo. hrmjustin May 2015 #41
Oh stop that shit. pangaia May 2015 #44
I do what? hrmjustin May 2015 #45
Just for your information. hrmjustin May 2015 #61
You never told me what I do. hrmjustin May 2015 #67
That was unnecessary... Agschmid May 2015 #70
Ask Michelle Bachmann pscot May 2015 #43
Hey. HEY! There's only room enough for so many cartoon characters on DU! Scootaloo May 2015 #58
False Positives. She won't fight for women or civil rights or growing the safety net. NYC_SKP May 2015 #11
Go Bernie. CentralMass May 2015 #60
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2015 #72
So true. H>'s friendly suck-up to Wall Streeters, her support for BS trade agreements that harm Main Streeters, her ignorant vote for IWR... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #83
maybe, but not compared to a rethug cali May 2015 #16
Reminds me of the story of the frog in the pot. Which would one rather have, rhett o rick May 2015 #65
All in. Me too. Enthusiast May 2015 #73
I'd rather the heat be turned up gradually, cheapdate May 2015 #79
not sure about that - "non-wingnut SCOTUS Justices" is a pretty heavy positive DrDan May 2015 #27
Something EVERY Dem can provide n/t arcane1 May 2015 #40
It would be a lot heavier if you could add non-corporatist to it. A Simple Game May 2015 #57
They'll favor corporations over people though, you can bank on it. Jester Messiah May 2015 #63
We're still in the primaries. That's a false arguement. cui bono May 2015 #84
it was brought up in the OP - and I responded to that DrDan May 2015 #85
They were being pragmatic Dem2 May 2015 #51
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2015 #71
I'm not ready to concede donf May 2015 #3
Dare to Dream HassleCat May 2015 #5
A vote for Hillary is a vote for more war. kentuck May 2015 #6
When you vote for...whaaaaa? Wilms May 2015 #7
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2015 #74
also the whole sell-off of what should be public services will continue Doctor_J May 2015 #8
Totally sucks. Enthusiast May 2015 #75
Honestly, if we can't do better than I don't give a shit anymore, fuck this shit. NYC_SKP May 2015 #10
I'm not going to stay in the Dem party if Hillary wins the primary. I'm going to turn my back... L0oniX May 2015 #30
Right - who cares if we let someone 10 times as horrible into the White House? groundloop May 2015 #37
Without Bernie basically I don't give a shit what happens to this fucked up country. L0oniX May 2015 #47
if you vote for what you dont want, you own it and get what you deserve. CentralMass May 2015 #62
I did that in 1968 pscot May 2015 #49
Without Bernie things will get worse ...I guarantee you. L0oniX May 2015 #54
Experience tells me things will get worse anyway. pscot May 2015 #56
Why do we always have to get worse when the nation and its people have so much potential? Enthusiast May 2015 #76
I'm with you. It's time to go for it like there is no tomorrow. For many there isn't. rhett o rick May 2015 #66
I don't know about the blocking of the encroachment of religion. Fuddnik May 2015 #12
Old Dick (nobody can suck a toe like) Morris? now theres a dude for ya. nt Snotcicles May 2015 #36
There ya go. Can we just ignore this shit? I say not! Enthusiast May 2015 #77
Hillary!! Not far left and not far right. She's just right!!! Laser102 May 2015 #13
clearly my post is grounded in reality cali May 2015 #17
I not only support her issues and policies... Laser102 May 2015 #33
yep . . . spot-on DrDan May 2015 #29
I have never beena quiter. pangaia May 2015 #50
I disagree in part with your analysis Cali Dragonfli May 2015 #14
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2015 #78
Don't look for her to start a war for the hell of it DFW May 2015 #15
whatever the rationale, her history clearly demonstrates her propensity to turn cali May 2015 #19
As a solution to what? DFW May 2015 #21
I also have my concerns about her hawkishness.. DCBob May 2015 #18
I hope you're right. cali May 2015 #20
This is actually a good point. Hillary would be laboring under the same confines as Barack Obama calimary May 2015 #25
Really ? At this stage in her life, what is preventng her from running as a died-in-wool democrat ? CentralMass May 2015 #64
Of course, I'd vote for dame Hillary if I HAD TO. Plucketeer May 2015 #22
At what point to we simply stop compromising???? raindaddy May 2015 #23
A little early for surrender. davidthegnome May 2015 #24
fyi, I doubt if Cali will ever surrender, thank Dog. truebluegreen May 2015 #42
Then vote for and campaign for the better candidate. I believe he WILL win sabrina 1 May 2015 #26
Don't feel that you need to if it bothers you that much..... brooklynite May 2015 #28
"Odds of war" overwhelming!? oasis May 2015 #31
In other words, you'll be voting at cross-purposes against yourself. leveymg May 2015 #32
I'm not ready to hand her the nomination quite yet... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #38
Thanks Cali jalan48 May 2015 #46
I'll be voting for Obama part 2. Which is fine with me. DanTex May 2015 #48
If Money wins yet again, let's hope it's the last time n/t arcane1 May 2015 #52
I just may be sick and not able to make it to the polls that day but time will time. eom Purveyor May 2015 #55
You can add a pro-Monsanto/GMO stance as well CentralMass May 2015 #59
Very good summary of the situation Jim Lane May 2015 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Enthusiast May 2015 #69
You know Mrs. Clinton isn't a bad candidate, and O'Malley would be a good CEO RoccoR5955 May 2015 #80
At least you're not a single issue voter? joshcryer May 2015 #81
Control of the SCOTUS is an important isuue to me Gothmog May 2015 #82
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