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In reply to the discussion: Democrats should be wooing progressives, not scolding them. [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)67. Well, step 1 is to stop throwing us out of the party.
As you do with "Why can't progressives woo Democrats?"
We're Democrats, too. If you want respect, step #1 is to not shit on the people you are demanding respect from.
Is this your plan to woo or be wooed?
Neither. It's pointing out reality does not fit your ideology. If you were correct about the need for centrism, those results would be the other direction - the centrism of 2014, 2010, 2004, 2002 and 2000 would have won, and the "crazy liberals" would have lost 2012, 2008 and 2006.
You claim to be all about pragmatism and being realistic. Well, there's reality right there.
The other bit-o-reality is this presidential election will be decided in the Democratic primary. The Democratic candidate only needs 1 large or 2 small swing states to get to 270 electoral votes. The Republican needs all 10 swing states, and has to turn one "blue" state. That will not happen unless the Democratic candidate runs a Gore-quality campaign. Both O'Malley and Sanders have faced difficult, contested campaigns and should do just fine.
BTW, I do promote Hillary's experience, record, stand on the issues and foreign experience.
Yet when challenged for things like the IWR vote, you turn to "Republicans bad!".
Again, if you have a good candidate, they can stand on their own.
Sanders and O'Malley have plenty of warts on their records. Their supporters will have to deal with them too.
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Well then, I'll be expecting her to come out strong against TPP, & jail sentences for banksters
mother earth
May 2015
#6
BS, Warren & Sanders have come out strong against it. Scolding? Questioning is not scolding, not
mother earth
May 2015
#82
Has she said she'd give an opinion after the agreement? Funny, those who are
mother earth
May 2015
#90
Looks closer to reality. However, I think candidate Obama should have been lower and to the left
rhett o rick
May 2015
#45
Indeed. Yet, they claim (and act accordingly) the left is so fringe as to not matter.
2banon
May 2015
#27
I don't know about that any more. I get the feeling some are questioning voting at all if all if it
mother earth
May 2015
#8
She was not silent about TPP as S of S. She helped negotiate it and supported it.
merrily
May 2015
#35
Yep, especially when we can see that tactic has taken the Dem Party further right,
cui bono
May 2015
#65
I read this post and the first thing which comes to mind is the "scolding" of progressives.
Thinkingabout
May 2015
#9
Yes, the poor, oppressed centrists that are in complete control of the party leadership
jeff47
May 2015
#22
The title of this thread is "Democrats should be wooing progressives, not scolding them"
Thinkingabout
May 2015
#34
Boo hoo. DU's right has been making the most horrible accusations about the left for years.
merrily
May 2015
#39
There is the Democratic Leadership and the grassroots Democrats. Two very different beasts.
rhett o rick
May 2015
#15
Yes. It doesn't take much imagination to realize that they are used to having their way all
GoneFishin
May 2015
#19
Then explain the centrist candidate losses accompanied by progressive referendum wins in 2014.
Scuba
Jun 2015
#124
Yes. Those damn progressives demanding equal rights, civil rights, privacy, social security.
cui bono
May 2015
#74
"Things would go so much more smoothly if these progressives just went along with conservatives."
arcane1
May 2015
#79
They're not willing to meet anyone else halfway - or even a quarter of the way
YoungDemCA
May 2015
#115
Progressives. Schmogressives. They are a minority in the Democratic Party anymore...
kentuck
May 2015
#23
Maybe at a visceral level, people are feeling that our current neoliberal capitalist model is
PatrickforO
May 2015
#24
The problem with that is that we may not have time to uphold the status quo because of
PatrickforO
May 2015
#57
Most rank and file Democrats are. Some rank and file Republicans, too. Please see sources linked in
merrily
May 2015
#59
We will, and they will be. Despite doing their best to marginalize & persuade us otherwise, the
mother earth
May 2015
#69
I think things have gone too far, TPTB have taken us to the edge & all is NOT well, too many are
mother earth
May 2015
#81
There are issues with the "Process" but you wont solve them by bashing Democrats.
DCBob
May 2015
#111
I'm not bashing Democrats, my support is with Bernie Sanders at this time. That's support, not
mother earth
Jun 2015
#129
Oh really? So democracy isn't about voting for who you think will be the best person
cui bono
May 2015
#99
So you think the party leadership should only listen to its members who agree with them?
cui bono
May 2015
#101
Not at all.. I think she will try to surround herself with people of all political persuasions.
DCBob
May 2015
#103
They think we will cave & vote for the annointed one because we have "no other choice."
U4ikLefty
May 2015
#102