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frankly, what I think we're doing here, is documenting the last gasps of democracy. Updated [View all] cali Jun 2015 OP

Sadly I agree. MuseRider Jun 2015 #1

Agree. octoberlib Jun 2015 #2

I wish I didn't agree olddots Jun 2015 #3

+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #83

Doen't the surge of Benie Sanders provide some hope for the future? olegramps Jun 2015 #315

Agree Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #4

Diebold for the win. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #5

Yep--nothing like a good "don't blame me, I can't do anything about it" excuse brooklynite Jun 2015 #33

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of course you don't. you think the elites are just dandy. you don't cali Jun 2015 #53

I said nothing about the issues....I disputed the "last gasps of Democracy" brooklynite Jun 2015 #131

Well said Omnith Jun 2015 #231

Dude where you been...nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #56

He thinks he's being helpful ~ TBF Jun 2015 #121

No one actually IN the elite would be posting here Divernan Jun 2015 #144

Interesting analogy - TBF Jun 2015 #151

Wonderful analogy! RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #164

To partially quote Matt Taibbi hifiguy Jun 2015 #176

Great imagery. nt valerief Jun 2015 #326

1%ers are the remora, 0.1%ers are the sharks. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #193

John D. MacDonald had a great description of the remora in one of his books. malthaussen Jun 2015 #318

...! Good Analogy....will add KoKo Jun 2015 #353

At a salon. Whatever the fuck that is. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2015 #246

not just diebold questionseverything Jun 2015 #67

It's crazy that anyone believes a corporate made computerized vote counting machine is honest. C Moon Jun 2015 #269

Frank Zappa explained it well hifiguy Jun 2015 #6

So Spot On. 2banon Jun 2015 #55

+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #78

+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #86

Exactly!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2015 #65

+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #76

Yep awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #212

The man was genius. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #276

Sadly, I agree. dgibby Jun 2015 #7

Yep, I recall when that Russian professor said that some years ago and I thought he was correct. RKP5637 Jun 2015 #88

Agreed. dgibby Jun 2015 #129

Then we need to push to close and empty military bases in red states ;) nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #201

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I think this is so, esp. the wide gulf between the 2 opposing ideologies which I appalachiablue Jun 2015 #125

I know for a fact that I am not presently in an area that will end up Blue Horse with no Name Jun 2015 #198

There was an author who wrote a book on various forms of democracies JonLP24 Jun 2015 #226

You might be thinking of Alexis de Tocqueville Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #255

It could be but don't think so JonLP24 Jun 2015 #259

Found it JonLP24 Jun 2015 #261

Wow, glad you found it. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #307

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well I was referring to our country, but in the longer term I think it's endangered cali Jun 2015 #11

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we're not fine now. we have the illusion of democracy. enough people buy into cali Jun 2015 #29

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I didn't say that the current situation wherein money controls elections cali Jun 2015 #70

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do they? I've long thought that humans buy into a heap of mythology cali Jun 2015 #95

Agreements like the TPP totally usurp govt. powers Divernan Jun 2015 #184

I don't disagree with what you say, dgibby Jun 2015 #12

right. democracy as national mythology rather than political reality cali Jun 2015 #20

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I agree. SamKnause Jun 2015 #9

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smilies indicate an inability to express cogent thought cali Jun 2015 #15

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...... daleanime Jun 2015 #91

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Sounds like someone who needs a hug. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2015 #209

Agreed. The reins of power are firmly in the hands of the few. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #13

I'm another pebble - this time Independent. 840high Jun 2015 #172

I think you're way overstating things. Truly. MineralMan Jun 2015 #14

no, we functionally do not. cali Jun 2015 #21

And the key part of the illusion is that we do. zeemike Jun 2015 #145

Exactly. They must drive us to despair slowly so we each pound on the castle door one at a time GoneFishin Jun 2015 #253

I call it the best show on earth. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #264

Read Nomi Prins' "It Takes A Pillage" and "All the Presidents' Bankers" hifiguy Jun 2015 #34

...! KoKo Jun 2015 #351

We can't even get people to understand that we need to change how our government works. Many are rhett o rick Jun 2015 #157

And that is why I am 100% behind Bernie Sanders. hifiguy Jun 2015 #173

We have to shake up the system. HRC stands for more of the same. Those that are comfortable rhett o rick Jun 2015 #237

We do not have a functioning democracy. Our elected officials spend Exilednight Jun 2015 #189

Not my elected officials. MineralMan Jun 2015 #191

i call bullshit. Your Senator panders just as much as mine. Exilednight Jun 2015 #195

Call whatever you wish. MineralMan Jun 2015 #197

Who are your Senators? Exilednight Jun 2015 #199

Franken and Klobuchar. MineralMan Jun 2015 #203

Thanks for proving my point. Exilednight Jun 2015 #207

OOOO, dude, you must live near me. I feel sorry for us both. I've tried on this Nay Jun 2015 #324

60% my ass Agony Jun 2015 #216

Your ass? MineralMan Jun 2015 #219

with 45% of registered voters in our precinct casting their ballots Agony Jun 2015 #220

My State had 69.3% turnout in the last election. That was low for us. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #303

You are right about our MN elected officials - except of course Michelle Bachmann and Tim jwirr Jun 2015 #257

I so much agree. I will be watching the titanic sink ...mostly because I loved the movie. L0oniX Jun 2015 #16

If Hillary is the Nominee. I will not be bothering to vote, nor will I plan to Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #24

Same. I'm not going to play in the 1%'s democracy. L0oniX Jun 2015 #27

I may vote Green or Socialist Workers for POTUS hifiguy Jun 2015 #37

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The sad thing is you may well be right. hifiguy Jun 2015 #192

I'll vote but not for Hillary. 840high Jun 2015 #175

democracy as defined, perhaps bigtree Jun 2015 #17

Have you noticed how easy anymore for people to say your not a democrat when you will Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #18

Almost inspires a click of the bootheals and a straight-armed salute, doesn't it? FiveGoodMen Jun 2015 #154

The Democrats definitely played a role this Primary season daredtowork Jun 2015 #19

The DLC, the Turd Way crowd and hifiguy Jun 2015 #40

Yeah I read some sad and surprising stuff about Carter in Howard Zinn daredtowork Jun 2015 #45

I know I sound like a broken record, but Gregorian Jun 2015 #23

An economic ideology, and that is what it is, hifiguy Jun 2015 #44

Well said! Even as a small child the notion of infinite growth made absolutely RKP5637 Jun 2015 #92

I sadly agree with both of you. Paka Jun 2015 #188

Ultimately Mother Nature will have her revenge hifiguy Jun 2015 #194

I don't know who ever though unlimited growth on a finite planet was a good idea, CrispyQ Jun 2015 #316

Oy. hifiguy Jun 2015 #327

Obviously I agree with you. malthaussen Jun 2015 #323

Yes. N/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #25

What is this in reference to? oberliner Jun 2015 #26

no they aren't. I've said repeatedly cali Jun 2015 #41

"The general election will be Bush v Clinton" oberliner Jun 2015 #57

you realize that statistically the candidate with the most money wins the vast majority cali Jun 2015 #77

Maybe Bloomberg will enter the race oberliner Jun 2015 #85

unlikely cali Jun 2015 #96

theoretically we still have the power questionseverything Jun 2015 #87

Really the only thing the Democrats offered us in the '08 primaries A Simple Game Jun 2015 #296

Nothing prevents people from voting for someone else. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #116

Try to hold those thoughts back, Cali dear, Paka Jun 2015 #190

What makes you say this? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #30

Somebody has to report it... kentuck Jun 2015 #31

Much of the swamp we are now is is directly attributable hifiguy Jun 2015 #46

I could see how someone could argue... kentuck Jun 2015 #112

I think you're probably right...democracy is in clear decline, and not just here in the USA... First Speaker Jun 2015 #32

great post. thanks cali Jun 2015 #43

Very thought-provoking. kentuck Jun 2015 #50

If democracies have one flaw, it's their tendency to be indecisive Zamen Jun 2015 #63

Corporate elites have never been fond of Democracy and these free trade agreements are a octoberlib Jun 2015 #35

Your are describing the Ted Cruz Plan for North America. n/t DhhD Jun 2015 #295

Very insightful article about a powerful theory Divernan Jun 2015 #333

If we have to go down.. sonofspy777 Jun 2015 #36

". I don't want to face a future generation " < You won't. You will be dead and so will they. jtuck004 Jun 2015 #68

I don't think that any of us are saying we surrender. But we do recognize that we are up against jwirr Jun 2015 #38

The enemy within? kentuck Jun 2015 #52

Multinational corporations and the rethugs. Their claws are deep into us already. jwirr Jun 2015 #59

Sheldon Walin calls it Inverted Totalitarianism hifiguy Jun 2015 #64

Thank you. The materialism got its hold on us long ago and they have been teaching us to accept jwirr Jun 2015 #80

Wolin wrote a whole book about it hifiguy Jun 2015 #84

Thanks.... daleanime Jun 2015 #98

I think you are correct with the time period also. kentuck Jun 2015 #115

Pogo was right: dgibby Jun 2015 #126

I think Robespierre said something like that Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #42

Considering both sides seem to be begging for a dictatorship, I'm worried. Oneironaut Jun 2015 #48

Sheldon Walin called it Inverted Totalitarianism hifiguy Jun 2015 #60

Sheldon Wolin. Democracy Incorporated. Fuddnik Jun 2015 #81

Operator error on my part. hifiguy Jun 2015 #89

Very true. We ceased to be considered "citizens" long ago, truebluegreen Jun 2015 #229

I think this idea of "dictatorship" may have started during the Reagan years? kentuck Jun 2015 #61

Required reading: James Thurbers' "The Royal Astronomer" FSogol Jun 2015 #49

never read the Thurber story. thanks. cali Jun 2015 #54

Frankly, I think democracy and capitalism faded in the 80s when a plutocracy took over Rex Jun 2015 #51

Democracy and neoliberal capitalism are not at all compatible. hifiguy Jun 2015 #108

Reagan made greed and idocy fashionable Skittles Jun 2015 #142

They legitimized white collar crime and flaunted the laws with gusto. Rex Jun 2015 #153

I felt the same way after watching Kerry's "campaign" in 2004, bvar22 Jun 2015 #58

As it continues, that is basically what is going to have to happen for survival. The economy is RKP5637 Jun 2015 #69

You encouraged me dgibby Jun 2015 #143

One of my favorite series of blog postings Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #205

What is the statistical probability Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #287

Now, if only more nucleated elements would do that. malthaussen Jun 2015 #332

"Dropped Out" ? bvar22 Jun 2015 #356

We spend so much of our lives in openly undemocratic workplaces RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #66

That, too, is very much by design. hifiguy Jun 2015 #79

Indeed. I find the analogy that the President is the CEO of the country to be appalling. n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #119

Indeed. hifiguy Jun 2015 #120

Much truth in this! haikugal Jun 2015 #130

Cali, it hasn't been a democracy since the first people walked away from "one big union". n/t jtuck004 Jun 2015 #71

I don't agree OKNancy Jun 2015 #72

Pendulum? daleanime Jun 2015 #102

yep DirtyHippyBastard Jun 2015 #73

Probably not democracy, but liberalism - yes. You can have a democracy even if only the 1% can vote. LiberalArkie Jun 2015 #74

Democracy is a lot more than just having elections. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #339

So I'm not the only one.... daleanime Jun 2015 #82

I wholeheartedly agree with you. n/t jaysunb Jun 2015 #90

not over by a long shot, but... quickesst Jun 2015 #93

reality is a harsh mistress. And I didn't say it doesn't matter who is president cali Jun 2015 #100

By that reasoning, dgibby Jun 2015 #135

haha... quickesst Jun 2015 #138

so go fly a kite. And try improving your reading comprehension cali Jun 2015 #159

really... quickesst Jun 2015 #185

True. Many have given up, so many more have never even tried. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #305

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I've had that same thought for a long time. Fuddnik Jun 2015 #94

GREAT post. hifiguy Jun 2015 #97

"frankly, what I think we're doing here, is documenting the last gasps of capitalism." Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #99

I wish. I don't see that at all cali Jun 2015 #101

I do. With the overreach.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #127

I was here in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. DrBulldog Jun 2015 #103

I go all the way back to the 40s. Paka Jun 2015 #204

Yes, we're having to refight too many battles that we thought we had won in the '60s. Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #104

More like the last gasp at capitalism RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #105

I do think capitalism, especially neoliberal capitalism hifiguy Jun 2015 #114

Absolutely! What's being discussed in this thread is a reflection of a global process. GliderGuider Jun 2015 #170

Not if we do what it says RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #215

Totally agree. We are not just facing the end of capitalism - that is bad enough but then we must jwirr Jun 2015 #263

Damage control. malthaussen Jun 2015 #106

the undoing of democracy is manifested in the hopemountain Jun 2015 #107

And I am thankful it is in it's last gasps. MyNameGoesHere Jun 2015 #109

Fascism is closing its talons around us, and the trains don't even run on time. Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #110

Serious props for the historical allusion to Mussolini and the deeper truth your KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #202

Thank you, Comrade! Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #250

Neo-McCarthyism and the US Media--Russia/Ukraine "The Nation" KoKo Jun 2015 #354

Too many politicians & corporate types seriously loved the Fascism of the 1930's DJ13 Jun 2015 #111

I agree with the 'I find it fascinating'. I get a lot of heat Purveyor Jun 2015 #113

The National Security State. We've gone from idealism to fear and not by accident. jalan48 Jun 2015 #117

Raygun + PNAC + MIC + Big $$$ = Fascist Amerikkka. hifiguy Jun 2015 #123

said that very thing to Mrs. Lib this morning rurallib Jun 2015 #118

No. 63splitwindow Jun 2015 #122

Are you saying that Cali is just upset because she didn't get her pony? Maedhros Jun 2015 #208

Well, there's your problem... 63splitwindow Jun 2015 #230

yes indeedy, CU never happened. the post 2010 gerrymandering didn't cali Jun 2015 #278

Justifying a thread title of... 63splitwindow Jun 2015 #322

continue living in fantasy land. cali Jun 2015 #330

Imagine it's 1812, and the British have just burnt down the White House. It would feel like the end grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #128

The problem is that neoliberal capitalism has the power hifiguy Jun 2015 #139

Good point. n/t vkkv Jun 2015 #141

Why can't we return to THE GOOD OLD DAYS of Democracy..... brooklynite Jun 2015 #132

"With the thoughts you'd be thinkin', you could be another Lincoln" RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #147

Well said. Thank you. nt truebluegreen Jun 2015 #232

That's not our only choice, but you clearly don't care. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #160

I however am not giving up on Democracy... brooklynite Jun 2015 #186

Would you care to expand on that? I love America, I love Mother, I love apple pie. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #235

By working hard to elect people who can make a difference... brooklynite Jun 2015 #252

" By working hard to elect people who can make a difference...". Did you type that rhett o rick Jun 2015 #262

Imo it's due to entering stage iii capitalism where in capitalism goes cannibalistic HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #136

We are not just observing plutocracy in action, sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #137

What I hope we're seeing... justaddh2o Jun 2015 #140

The End of Democracy Koinos Jun 2015 #171

except history proves the exact opposite. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #146

what? do explain. cali Jun 2015 #162

If a Republican yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #148

Doubtful they would SHUT down the gov't Merlot Jun 2015 #174

Ted Cruz and his friends yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #177

They would transform what is left of the government hifiguy Jun 2015 #180

Oh the humanity... giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #149

care to refute that money now completely dominates our political system? cali Jun 2015 #158

When your OP provides anything of context I'll be happy to do so. giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #165

Well, now that you've shown up to mock the OP Maedhros Jun 2015 #210

Here's some context for you: OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #258

With some exceptions of people who lovemydog Jun 2015 #282

here you go, girl cali Jun 2015 #283

I just finished watching a documentary on Free Speech TV, "Pay to Play". Fuddnik Jun 2015 #238

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #150

People don't realize we're on the edge, every time we knuckle under Democracy is lost, orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #152

Agreed - Citizens United - Worst Development In My Lifetime cantbeserious Jun 2015 #155

that really is a pivotal event, and at just the most dangerous time cali Jun 2015 #166

That and the ' Patriot Act ' and you know the TPP will starve people in to orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #169

I Disagree! Ideas are Very Powerful mckara Jun 2015 #156

mouths are powerful, but they don't constitute reality cali Jun 2015 #161

Good Ideas Never Die if People Survive mckara Jun 2015 #249

I disagree. Democracy is easy when you have resouces. When Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street rhett o rick Jun 2015 #167

That has been the end game of the plutocracy hifiguy Jun 2015 #182

How far do you think we will sink before the idiots wake up and smell the plutocratic-oligarchy. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #236

Probably about the same level of hifiguy Jun 2015 #242

It May Take Thousands of Years mckara Jun 2015 #247

I'm not gonna say 'why bother' because I've been where you are. PatrickforO Jun 2015 #163

Wish I didn't - I do agree. 840high Jun 2015 #168

I'd like not to agree that we are documenting the last gasp of democracy, but . . . Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #178

Well said. Maedhros Jun 2015 #213

Back at ya Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #224

Here's the Little Sparrow: malthaussen Jun 2015 #336

Agreed. Sadly nt riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #179

We can all blame the Politicians, the Lobbyists, The Big Money Koch Bros factor BUT it starts truedelphi Jun 2015 #181

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want Zorro Jun 2015 #187

The quoting of Mencken perfectly demonstrates the shallow thinking of the negative minded. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #233

Lighten up, Francis Zorro Jun 2015 #239

Nice personal attack there, sport. You made the citation, and what I say stands about what Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #243

Voters get what they vote for in democratic elections Zorro Jun 2015 #248

Poining out that Mencken was a racist bigot and literally an anti democratic elitist who favored Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #300

I agree with you Cali Horse with no Name Jun 2015 #196

Anything that can be done can be undone. Kevin from WI Jun 2015 #200

It's certainly in critical condition. immoderate Jun 2015 #206

Democracy would probably be stronger moondust Jun 2015 #211

I think.. sendero Jun 2015 #217

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Will you defeatists kindly move the fuck out of the way? Paladin Jun 2015 #222

You may have work to do. sendero Jun 2015 #244

Thanks for that vote of confidence, Sunshine. (nt) Paladin Jun 2015 #299

You know what posts like yours raise my hackles. sendero Jun 2015 #312

Well, we wouldn't want to raise your hackles, would we? Paladin Jun 2015 #314

Keep.. sendero Jun 2015 #317

I agree. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #228

My wife and I were discussing this at dinner tonight - we agree. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #234

Why? What's the reason? And what does "the last gasps if democracy" mean? DanTex Jun 2015 #240

Pessimism is an elitist habit, for the affluent and the fully franchised. The rest need hope. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #241

Beautiful quote from Howard Zinn. Thank you for lighting a candle instead of cursing the darkness.nt Hekate Jun 2015 #260

Well said! bettyellen Jun 2015 #265

Elitist? MFrohike Jun 2015 #267

Yes, elitism has a blind appeal. Look at the chosen verbiage in this thread. It's all about self Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #301

That doesn't make pessimism elitist MFrohike Jun 2015 #346

I respect the hell out of Zinn hifiguy Jun 2015 #271

Zinn repeated: Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #306

We've had monumental levels of corruption and malfeasance in the past Babel_17 Jun 2015 #245

Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt. I have to ask wtf are any of you doing at a place like this? Hekate Jun 2015 #251

I strongly disagree with you. herding cats Jun 2015 #254

That's the ticket! You have it exactly right! Hekate Jun 2015 #268

Thank you! herding cats Jun 2015 #352

sorry, history and statistics prove you wrong. cali Jun 2015 #279

No, they don't. herding cats Jun 2015 #344

**before anyone says to me:** Raine1967 Jun 2015 #256

I'd like to respond to your elegiac OP with . . . what else? . . . a poem: KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #266

Insightful flamingdem Jun 2015 #270

Kick. SixString Jun 2015 #272

"Don't waste any time in mourning. Organize" - Joe Hill to Big Bill Haywood struggle4progress Jun 2015 #273

+1 octoberlib Jun 2015 #274

I feel I'm part of a struggle toward more democracy. lovemydog Jun 2015 #275

we do not have one person one vote. that has been massively diluted cali Jun 2015 #277

It's always been diluted. lovemydog Jun 2015 #281

yes, but we've been lurching backwards at a staggering pace, not making progress cali Jun 2015 #284

In many ways I agree. lovemydog Jun 2015 #285

Time to become a doomsday prepper. joshcryer Jun 2015 #280

calm yourself, Josh. saying that we no longer live in a functional cali Jun 2015 #286

Fascism isn't the end of the world? joshcryer Jun 2015 #288

no, it's already an oligarchy. Shitty as it is, it's not the end of the cali Jun 2015 #289

Clickbait. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #290

not even remotely so cali Jun 2015 #291

I think the traditional conservative power elites deutsey Jun 2015 #292

I think you're right about how changing demographics struck fear into cons cali Jun 2015 #293

it's a whole pile of things that converged MisterP Jun 2015 #350

its not good for sure Cosmocat Jun 2015 #294

Representative democracy has turned into an oligarchy and even that will soon be replaced CJCRANE Jun 2015 #297

Non-verifiable, no-paper-trail, vote switching electronic voting machines Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #298

Not one single voting machine in my State, every ballot is paper, every voter can make a fucking Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #308

I live abroad. Citizens here vote paper, hand counted. Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #311

If it wasn't so, why the Permawar RW Surveillance State that remains no matter who we vote in? Octafish Jun 2015 #302

In 2000 I new the gig was up ctsnowman Jun 2015 #304

We are watching the inevitable full assimilation of the Democratic party into the War/Money Party. leveymg Jun 2015 #309

Harvey Milk on why pessimism is a nasty elitist habit: Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #310

this isn't about pessimism. it's about facing reality and facts cali Jun 2015 #313

This. And how do the "optimists" suggest hifiguy Jun 2015 #331

agreed nt G_j Jun 2015 #319

Like a infection - if intervention doesn't occur, it will spread and kill the whole body. Avalux Jun 2015 #320

You are not alone, by a long shot. We are in the last gasps of Democracy. And we have one chance to sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #321

Is separating "Social" from the "Economic" a horseman of the oligarchic apocalypse? daredtowork Jun 2015 #328

yes to what you wrote cali Jun 2015 #329

I disagree but understand the sentiment. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #334

This is an outstanding thread - with thoughtful, learned comments from many. Divernan Jun 2015 #335

if the Dems lose '16 that means exactly two things: MisterP Jun 2015 #348

Better to Fight than to Whine McKim Jun 2015 #337

Better to grasp the situation realistically than live in ignorant denial cali Jun 2015 #338

unfortunately too many people believe that electing Hillary Clinton is somehow Doctor_J Jun 2015 #342

That delusion is beyond any attempt at quantification. hifiguy Jun 2015 #349

What these kind of things do is just make people madder and more Maraya1969 Jun 2015 #340

last gasps of the American experiment. self government is still thriving in northern Europe Doctor_J Jun 2015 #341

Sadly, the psychopaths are winning, because they are bullies, thieves, liars, abusers and killers. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #343

The gutting of the voting rights act was the final straw for me. lark Jun 2015 #345

It unleashed the last of the "Terribles" KoKo Jun 2015 #355