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In reply to the discussion: frankly, what I think we're doing here, is documenting the last gasps of democracy. Updated [View all]sendero
(28,552 posts)217. I think..
... a lot more people see it that you would think. And FWIW, we have to hit rock bottom as a country before anything can change. It's just the way humans are. We have somewhere between 5 and 20 years to do so IMHO.
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cali
Jun 2015
OP
Yep--nothing like a good "don't blame me, I can't do anything about it" excuse
brooklynite
Jun 2015
#33
I said nothing about the issues....I disputed the "last gasps of Democracy"
brooklynite
Jun 2015
#131
John D. MacDonald had a great description of the remora in one of his books.
malthaussen
Jun 2015
#318
It's crazy that anyone believes a corporate made computerized vote counting machine is honest.
C Moon
Jun 2015
#269
Yep, I recall when that Russian professor said that some years ago and I thought he was correct.
RKP5637
Jun 2015
#88
Then we need to push to close and empty military bases in red states ;) nt
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jun 2015
#201
I think this is so, esp. the wide gulf between the 2 opposing ideologies which I
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#125
I know for a fact that I am not presently in an area that will end up Blue
Horse with no Name
Jun 2015
#198
well I was referring to our country, but in the longer term I think it's endangered
cali
Jun 2015
#11
Exactly. They must drive us to despair slowly so we each pound on the castle door one at a time
GoneFishin
Jun 2015
#253
We can't even get people to understand that we need to change how our government works. Many are
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#157
We have to shake up the system. HRC stands for more of the same. Those that are comfortable
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#237
You are right about our MN elected officials - except of course Michelle Bachmann and Tim
jwirr
Jun 2015
#257
I so much agree. I will be watching the titanic sink ...mostly because I loved the movie.
L0oniX
Jun 2015
#16
If Hillary is the Nominee. I will not be bothering to vote, nor will I plan to
Katashi_itto
Jun 2015
#24
Have you noticed how easy anymore for people to say your not a democrat when you will
Katashi_itto
Jun 2015
#18
Almost inspires a click of the bootheals and a straight-armed salute, doesn't it?
FiveGoodMen
Jun 2015
#154
I don't know who ever though unlimited growth on a finite planet was a good idea,
CrispyQ
Jun 2015
#316
you realize that statistically the candidate with the most money wins the vast majority
cali
Jun 2015
#77
I think you're probably right...democracy is in clear decline, and not just here in the USA...
First Speaker
Jun 2015
#32
Corporate elites have never been fond of Democracy and these free trade agreements are a
octoberlib
Jun 2015
#35
". I don't want to face a future generation " < You won't. You will be dead and so will they.
jtuck004
Jun 2015
#68
I don't think that any of us are saying we surrender. But we do recognize that we are up against
jwirr
Jun 2015
#38
Multinational corporations and the rethugs. Their claws are deep into us already.
jwirr
Jun 2015
#59
Thank you. The materialism got its hold on us long ago and they have been teaching us to accept
jwirr
Jun 2015
#80
Frankly, I think democracy and capitalism faded in the 80s when a plutocracy took over
Rex
Jun 2015
#51
As it continues, that is basically what is going to have to happen for survival. The economy is
RKP5637
Jun 2015
#69
Indeed. I find the analogy that the President is the CEO of the country to be appalling. n/t
RufusTFirefly
Jun 2015
#119
Cali, it hasn't been a democracy since the first people walked away from "one big union". n/t
jtuck004
Jun 2015
#71
Probably not democracy, but liberalism - yes. You can have a democracy even if only the 1% can vote.
LiberalArkie
Jun 2015
#74
"frankly, what I think we're doing here, is documenting the last gasps of capitalism."
Spitfire of ATJ
Jun 2015
#99
Yes, we're having to refight too many battles that we thought we had won in the '60s.
Blue_In_AK
Jun 2015
#104
Absolutely! What's being discussed in this thread is a reflection of a global process.
GliderGuider
Jun 2015
#170
Totally agree. We are not just facing the end of capitalism - that is bad enough but then we must
jwirr
Jun 2015
#263
Fascism is closing its talons around us, and the trains don't even run on time.
Arugula Latte
Jun 2015
#110
Serious props for the historical allusion to Mussolini and the deeper truth your
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2015
#202
The National Security State. We've gone from idealism to fear and not by accident.
jalan48
Jun 2015
#117
Imagine it's 1812, and the British have just burnt down the White House. It would feel like the end
grahamhgreen
Jun 2015
#128
Would you care to expand on that? I love America, I love Mother, I love apple pie.
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#235
" By working hard to elect people who can make a difference...". Did you type that
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#262
Imo it's due to entering stage iii capitalism where in capitalism goes cannibalistic
HereSince1628
Jun 2015
#136
People don't realize we're on the edge, every time we knuckle under Democracy is lost,
orpupilofnature57
Jun 2015
#152
That and the ' Patriot Act ' and you know the TPP will starve people in to
orpupilofnature57
Jun 2015
#169
I disagree. Democracy is easy when you have resouces. When Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#167
How far do you think we will sink before the idiots wake up and smell the plutocratic-oligarchy. nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#236
I'd like not to agree that we are documenting the last gasp of democracy, but . . .
Jack Rabbit
Jun 2015
#178
We can all blame the Politicians, the Lobbyists, The Big Money Koch Bros factor BUT it starts
truedelphi
Jun 2015
#181
The quoting of Mencken perfectly demonstrates the shallow thinking of the negative minded.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#233
Nice personal attack there, sport. You made the citation, and what I say stands about what
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#243
Poining out that Mencken was a racist bigot and literally an anti democratic elitist who favored
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#300
Pessimism is an elitist habit, for the affluent and the fully franchised. The rest need hope.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#241
Beautiful quote from Howard Zinn. Thank you for lighting a candle instead of cursing the darkness.nt
Hekate
Jun 2015
#260
Yes, elitism has a blind appeal. Look at the chosen verbiage in this thread. It's all about self
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#301
Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt. I have to ask wtf are any of you doing at a place like this?
Hekate
Jun 2015
#251
I'd like to respond to your elegiac OP with . . . what else? . . . a poem:
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2015
#266
"Don't waste any time in mourning. Organize" - Joe Hill to Big Bill Haywood
struggle4progress
Jun 2015
#273
Representative democracy has turned into an oligarchy and even that will soon be replaced
CJCRANE
Jun 2015
#297
Not one single voting machine in my State, every ballot is paper, every voter can make a fucking
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#308
If it wasn't so, why the Permawar RW Surveillance State that remains no matter who we vote in?
Octafish
Jun 2015
#302
We are watching the inevitable full assimilation of the Democratic party into the War/Money Party.
leveymg
Jun 2015
#309
Like a infection - if intervention doesn't occur, it will spread and kill the whole body.
Avalux
Jun 2015
#320
You are not alone, by a long shot. We are in the last gasps of Democracy. And we have one chance to
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#321
Is separating "Social" from the "Economic" a horseman of the oligarchic apocalypse?
daredtowork
Jun 2015
#328
unfortunately too many people believe that electing Hillary Clinton is somehow
Doctor_J
Jun 2015
#342
last gasps of the American experiment. self government is still thriving in northern Europe
Doctor_J
Jun 2015
#341
Sadly, the psychopaths are winning, because they are bullies, thieves, liars, abusers and killers.
Dont call me Shirley
Jun 2015
#343