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turbinetree

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33. Right Now

Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:07 AM

Jun 2015

my brother is wondering about his job in a TACONITE / IRON ORE mine refining facility in MN.
They are having lay-offs in the middle of summer-------------normally does not occur until the winter because of obvious reason----------cold weather.
The Korean steel "trade deal" and the Chinese steel dumping off the previous "deals is gutting the mining of this and other ores in this country----------this product is the back bone of to the automobile, trains, girders, ect..................that produce jobs.

These vacationing hypocrites in the right wing congress (was in session 139 days last session----vacation days 244 days making $174,000 a year $14,500 a month----------that's what is amazing) are going to try and pull a fast one today (6-16-2015) on the "deal" and we must continue to call these people to vote no.
What is really galling is that a member of the DNC voted in favor of this legislation along with 30 others.
Now they are trying as I write to pull a fast one--------time to make a call---------its either no or yes

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Robert Reich on the Real Reason the Corporate-Friendly TPP Is Nearly Dead [View all] kentuck Jun 2015 OP

No Deal! think Jun 2015 #1

" they say it’s worth the price of avoiding unfairness." One_Life_To_Give Jun 2015 #2

As someone said the general public probably doesn't know what they are talking about Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #74

Proponents of TPP on DU come on here and say, "Those jobs are going away TPP or no TPP." Enthusiast Jun 2015 #3

wish I could rec a reply rurallib Jun 2015 #4

No, actually, they are saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #6

The jobs aren't coming back but their products are... kentuck Jun 2015 #8

Lower labor and environmental (regulatory) costs ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #10

Those jobs are not already gone. We must put the brakes on right now. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #19

Right Now turbinetree Jun 2015 #33

+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #36

But you haven't decided your position on TPP yet because the details haven't been made public LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #35

No ... I haven't taken a position on TPP because what is in it hasn't been made public ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #38

Of course you have taken a position. Seriously, you are fooling no one LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #45

Yes ... You're correct. I have taken a position ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #51

So have you asked Obama to make the details public? cui bono Jun 2015 #61

No ... I haven't because I know that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #66

When has a Dem President sided against his own party to pass a deal written cui bono Jun 2015 #73

He has not "sided against the party" since polls show most Democrats support TPP. pampango Jun 2015 #79

so what is this 'fast track' then? redruddyred Jun 2015 #91

Here's Pampango with the bull$hit propaganda, yet again brentspeak Jun 2015 #97

Rather than going after me, it would be helpful if you posted the polls showing opposition of the pampango Jun 2015 #99

There is a good need to expose you brentspeak Jun 2015 #100

I am sure that everyone appreciates your commitment to exposing my pratfalls. Even I appreciate your pampango Jun 2015 #102

Lol brentspeak Jun 2015 #103

Again, you post nothing to back up your opinion. If these polls are bogus, you should have an easy pampango Jun 2015 #105

You may be correct but look at what has happened to labeling our meat (food) products because jwirr Jun 2015 #43

You realize most anti-free-traders also support terminating the H1-B program, right? n/t Chan790 Jun 2015 #64

Yes. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #67

A thought. Bubzer Jun 2015 #86

...but they will come back. That is very much the point... Chan790 Jun 2015 #63

+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #78

already coming back, but to different parts of the country, with lower wages. redruddyred Jun 2015 #92

That's why we in traditionally-union states need to not stop at killing FTAs. Chan790 Jun 2015 #95

+10. n/t whathehell Jun 2015 #98

I think maine voted against right to work recently redruddyred Jun 2015 #111

Wrong. When I asked my Senators about the TPP they both gave me bullshit but were sure rhett o rick Jun 2015 #72

Whose side am I on here? The side that waits to see what's in it ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #83

The side that's standing on the track waiting to see if the train will really run over them. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #87

Yeah! That side. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #88

From the history of your posts, I assume you don't mind making favored partners out of anti gay Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #112

No, I oppose making favored partners of anti-human rights regime ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #113

Well put n/t fasttense Jun 2015 #7

Hear, hear Enthusiast. Succinctly stated. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #9

they don't understand because they are among those who benefit from pimping off American jobs Skittles Jun 2015 #62

But I believe they do care, I have to. I love this country too much as I know they do. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #84

yes they care Skittles Jun 2015 #90

Yes! Trade can be used as a tool to improve global working conditions and labor while at the Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #13

Let 'em cry protectionism. It's been so long since we have had protectionism, they no longer Enthusiast Jun 2015 #22

Amen to that! kentuck Jun 2015 #26

Some things are worth protecting, bvar22 Jun 2015 #59

Yes! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #60

Agreed. And that's what Scandinavian countries do. Their RW populist parties want tariffs pampango Jun 2015 #80

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jun 2015 #15

^ BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #20

They spent decades dirtying the tariff word along with the liberal word and others. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #23

If I am not mistaken they were made illegal in NAFTA. jwirr Jun 2015 #44

Fuck NAFTA. Chan790 Jun 2015 #65

I would agree. The tarriff is one of the tools that can be used and they take it away because jwirr Jun 2015 #71

When FDR reversed Herbert Hoover's high tariffs and proposed the International Trade Organization. pampango Jun 2015 #81

As Prof. Richard Wolff would say: PotatoChip Jun 2015 #32

Yeah. No kidding. I love Professor Wolff. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #37

I love that idea. Regional businesses could still make a reasonable profit and supply jobs. jwirr Jun 2015 #46

He's great & he has a weekly radio program. U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #107

Absolutely! hedgehog Jun 2015 #50

Rec. Rec. Rec. Rec. And Rec. Fair Trade, not Fake-Free Trade! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #54

This response deserves its own thread. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #76

+1 million! KnR. nt tblue37 Jun 2015 #101

It's not a trade deal. It's a Corporate Rights deal, and a bad one magical thyme Jun 2015 #5

Stop! You're both right! TPP is TWO *clap* TWO *clap* TWO bills in one! Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #12

LOL Auggie Jun 2015 #21

Pffft! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #24

It's also a floor wax and dessert topping. n/t winter is coming Jun 2015 #52

Yep, just like NAFTA, CAFTA, the Uruguay GATT/WTO, Korea, and all the others. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #49

ITO/GATT - FDR/Truman, NAFTA & WTO - Clinton, Korea - Obama, only CAFTA (the smallest) - Bush. pampango Jun 2015 #82

They desperately want their worldwide "Reagan Economic Zone" Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #108

+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #53

Nearly dead? zentrum Jun 2015 #11

When "free trade" is not free in costs of US jobs. L0oniX Jun 2015 #14

And the peasants are about to storm the Bastille. Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #16

There's definitely things going on that we don't know... kentuck Jun 2015 #17

+1! Oh, baby! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #25

I am so fucking glad you are back Autumn Jun 2015 #31

Well, thank you, Autumn. Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #41

we just need a sinister member of the House of Orléans MisterP Jun 2015 #70

this psychology of economics is great for Bernie thesquanderer Jun 2015 #18

It's been unfettered, alright. Laissez-faire or whatever you want to call it, Enthusiast Jun 2015 #27

2.1 Mil. EU citizens petitioned to & did stop TTIP cold last week. Divernan Jun 2015 #28

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #29

it's b/c fool me once shame on........ shame on you?.............. fool me we cant get fooled again Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #30

Thanks for posting this. mmonk Jun 2015 #34

Nearly dead? historylovr Jun 2015 #39

I'm opposed to trade, except in very limited circumstances Dems to Win Jun 2015 #40

Crazy, isn't it? Thank you Dems to Win! raouldukelives Jun 2015 #104

And thank you, raouldukelives! Dems to Win Jun 2015 #106

Free trade is killing us madokie Jun 2015 #42

You mean fake "free trade". Our so called "free trade" deals, including TPP, are nothing more Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #47

YES by all means YES madokie Jun 2015 #48

Do not stop calling Congress and Whitehouse to express opposition to these global corporate Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #55

This info should be an OP... AzDar Jun 2015 #110

KnR hifiguy Jun 2015 #56

nobody supports free trade in large part because it ain't free trade Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #57

For Reich's imaginary game of $1000 to each pair rock Jun 2015 #58

I don't think so MFrohike Jun 2015 #68

It just needs to disappear. Phlem Jun 2015 #69

Most Americans want background checks too. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #75

TPP is TBTF the band leader Jun 2015 #77

And the results would be like TATB discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #85

Coming from Bill Clinton's Labor Secretary who helped NAFTA get passed closeupready Jun 2015 #89

I'm cynical Snow Leopard Jun 2015 #93

TPP is a conspiracy-in-plain-sight nikto Jun 2015 #94

Rumors Of It's Demise Have Been Greatly Exaggerated n/t Autumn Jun 2015 #96

Stop the TPP! AzDar Jun 2015 #109