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Warren DeMontague

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23. Why would a church be any different from any other building?

Sun Jun 21, 2015, 06:31 PM

Jun 2015

I mean, if we carve out some special exemption for churches, doesnt that just make it that much more of an open season on us non-believers?

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Let's just get it out in the open - who supports right to carry firearms into a church? [View all] kentuck Jun 2015 OP

I'd have thunk it should be up to the church Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #1

Really? Like taxes, maybe? WinkyDink Jun 2015 #121

That's my thought. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #176

Shouldn't that be up to the church and congregation if they allowed it? theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #2

sure seems like the obvious answer. the band leader Jun 2015 #116

It seems to me that Jesus and Guns would not mix... kentuck Jun 2015 #117

Jesus got tortured and nailed to a cross. Maybe if he had had a gun... the band leader Jun 2015 #118

That probably makes a lot of sense... kentuck Jun 2015 #119

Why shouldn't a person be allowed to carry a firearm in church exactly? the band leader Jun 2015 #120

Churches are for worship. kentuck Jun 2015 #125

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, the band leader Jun 2015 #129

When you lose your common sense... kentuck Jun 2015 #131

when you lose you're right to self defense... the band leader Jun 2015 #132

When you are so paranoid that you cannot go to church without a weapon... kentuck Jun 2015 #134

yeah, because nobody ever needs to defend their life while sitting in church the band leader Jun 2015 #141

For some folks, there should be no "gun-free" zones... kentuck Jun 2015 #143

and then on the opposite end of the spectrum, there are folks like you the band leader Jun 2015 #149

What do "mass murdering psychopaths" have in common? kentuck Jun 2015 #154

complete disregard for gun control laws? the band leader Jun 2015 #189

Mine was the first multi-racial wedding in the county where I grew up in decades. ieoeja Jun 2015 #185

WWRJD LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2015 #183

Why? We have laws that apply to all businesses and all citizens. Why not all churches? WinkyDink Jun 2015 #122

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise the band leader Jun 2015 #130

What if half the congregation is against guns in the church? kentuck Jun 2015 #140

the Church's board of trustees can figure it out. the band leader Jun 2015 #145

I forgot my Bible but I brought my gun... kentuck Jun 2015 #148

.... the band leader Jun 2015 #150

Should be up to the church. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #3

Should it be a unanimous vote or.... kentuck Jun 2015 #6

Private property rights... beevul Jun 2015 #14

What about smoking? theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #29

Incorrect parallel. beevul Jun 2015 #41

I'm just gauging where you stand on private property rights theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #48

You didn't answer the question. beevul Jun 2015 #52

I never thought democracies were a good idea theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #69

Welcome to DU, theycallmetrinity! calimary Jun 2015 #44

I'll probably make some enemies here but cigarette smokers theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #61

I agree. So glad my husband finally gave it up. calimary Jun 2015 #72

Yes, and that's coming from a puff fiend . Welcome !!! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #51

Please don't take my other post personal about smokers theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #67

At the end of the day I have a pocket full of butts, the least I can do after putting extra smog in orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #73

You are one of the few theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #79

many churches are owned by the congregation dsc Jun 2015 #93

I did not know churches were direct democracies. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #75

It should be up to the pastor and board Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #82

The Church of the AK-47 Holy Rollers.... kentuck Jun 2015 #83

Should smoking be up to the bar owner? theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #39

No opinion. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #76

Jeanne Assam supports the right to carry in church. nt Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #4

Same as the confiscation question, Not Me !!! A place for Holy spirit not for making spirits holes, orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #5

Thanks! kentuck Jun 2015 #8

I support the right of any private property owner to allow or bar firearms as petronius Jun 2015 #7

I'd rather see snakes in a church than guns... kentuck Jun 2015 #9

That's what Harrah's Reno says MurrayDelph Jun 2015 #31

Good for them! cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #78

Except when ? orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #49

Except when what? If you're referring to my last sentence, what I meant petronius Jun 2015 #63

OK, GOOD POINT ! That's why we need to scrutinize people carrying guns professionally . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #70

Private property rights supersede everything? kentuck Jun 2015 #84

No, private property rights do not "supersede everything" petronius Jun 2015 #87

What do they not supersede? kentuck Jun 2015 #89

I gave an example in the post you replied to, it's the ten words petronius Jun 2015 #90

Good answer... Spatened Jun 2015 #88

It should be the decision of the governance board/authorites of the churches. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #10

No guns allowed on blood donors, even cops. The cops are almost always cool about it. brewens Jun 2015 #11

I have a suggestion. Cleita Jun 2015 #12

"I'd like to think I'm safe from some moron legally endangering my life and person. " kentuck Jun 2015 #16

The horse is way out of the barn on that one. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #17

Wow, my red state actually held off on that particular insanity until 2004. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #33

+ 1000 Well Put !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #50

"Registration" can not keep the guns out of the hands of sociopaths. beevul Jun 2015 #55

That's why I suggest we tackle this from a different perspective. Cleita Jun 2015 #60

If businesses can ban firearms on their premises CanonRay Jun 2015 #13

I think a church would have an obligation to to keep their Cleita Jun 2015 #15

Praying: "Wait a minute, God.." kentuck Jun 2015 #18

I went into bars up in Alaska back in the sixties that you had to surrender Cleita Jun 2015 #42

I think Wyatt Earp might have come closest to a solution? kentuck Jun 2015 #53

I think many towns in the developing West at the turn of the last century came Cleita Jun 2015 #57

+ 1000 !!! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #80

A church might have a role in promoting the concept of vulnerability HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #24

How come you can't bring a loaded weapon to a gun show gwheezie Jun 2015 #19

I'll bet they don't allow guns inside the grounds of the republi-CON Convention next summer. calimary Jun 2015 #35

Most of the gun shows I've been to, allow concealed carry/open carry. beevul Jun 2015 #43

Not in virginia gwheezie Jun 2015 #94

Any of them loaded? gwheezie Jun 2015 #95

If I remember right they were. beevul Jun 2015 #114

Good point and a So. Carolina State Senator said the same yesterday. Cleita Jun 2015 #45

No. I support Rocket Launchers and Flamethrowers though. Possibly Nuclear Hand Grenades. Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #20

The First Congregation of Saint Truckasaurus Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #25

:) Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #37

My choice is the holy hand grenade nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #54

If a killer rabbit is on the loose, Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #190

What about fruit? sarisataka Jun 2015 #65

+1000! Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #81

What are you doing in a Church safeinOhio Jun 2015 #21

No, not ever, at any time. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #22

Why would a church be any different from any other building? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #23

Like schools, hospitals, gun shows gwheezie Jun 2015 #96

I'm not defending the "right" of people to bring guns into any building they want. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #97

I'm not trying to argue gwheezie Jun 2015 #98

NOT me. NOT EVVVVER! calimary Jun 2015 #26

The Republicans keep screaming forefather this and forefather that... Frustratedlady Jun 2015 #27

Actually, the 'founding fathers' knew of semi-auto weapons. X_Digger Jun 2015 #104

You caught me! I knew that didn't sound right... Frustratedlady Jun 2015 #106

It gets forgotten a lot. We seem to think that our generation has / had all the ideas (good or bad). X_Digger Jun 2015 #107

The NRA does and that stance supports them finacially Person 2713 Jun 2015 #28

The church is not robbing you of every cent, just 10%. Bring pea-shooter. nt edgineered Jun 2015 #30

The church should have sarisataka Jun 2015 #32

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #34

Welcome to DU, esreveR! calimary Jun 2015 #56

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #68

Didn't the Governor of SC recently sign that bill?? kentuck Jun 2015 #58

Not me mcar Jun 2015 #36

there are 6 people in our church that the pastor has asked that we carry littlewolf Jun 2015 #38

You can shoot anyone that steals from the offerings. kwassa Jun 2015 #109

Is your pastor being paranoid or are you in a very high crime area? And if this is a Christian pnwmom Jun 2015 #178

we have had 3 break ins at night when no one was there and he is concerned littlewolf Jun 2015 #187

Churches can ban all the weapons they want. LAGC Jun 2015 #40

In the case of the recent shooting, SC bans guns in church. beevul Jun 2015 #47

I think it's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. polly7 Jun 2015 #46

++++ Cleita Jun 2015 #62

If I attended a church where people were toting guns, Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #191

According to some it depends on what state you're in wyldwolf Jun 2015 #59

Leave it up to the church Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #64

Only in limited cases should gun yahoos be allowed to carry a gun out of their home. Hoyt Jun 2015 #66

Just because I can does not mean that I will ...and I won't. L0oniX Jun 2015 #71

I support the right ... 99Forever Jun 2015 #74

Whatever institution or business owns the place/building should have the say rock Jun 2015 #77

old days w0nderer Jun 2015 #85

I agree that private property should be allowed to choose. RichVRichV Jun 2015 #86

Churches are private property krispos42 Jun 2015 #91

But when they open their doors to the public the rules change. Ask any business owner. Cleita Jun 2015 #100

It does to an extent krispos42 Jun 2015 #102

Your argument is so tired, even caffeine won't fix it. Cleita Jun 2015 #112

This line of thought is what I call the "NO CAN DO" philosophy of the pro gun movement. CTyankee Jun 2015 #139

"Who carries routinely, every day, a handgun in addition to his cell phone and wallet and car keys." ieoeja Jun 2015 #186

do they also decide whether or not to pay taxes? kentuck Jun 2015 #110

They can apply for non-profit status. krispos42 Jun 2015 #111

I consider that to be up to the church. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #92

The church can decide about its property just like I can decide about my property. Township75 Jun 2015 #99

Well, frankly, you cannot. Try, e.g., building without a permit. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #123

What building have to do with carrying firearms? Township75 Jun 2015 #188

I do not support open carry in public places. peacebird Jun 2015 #101

I HAVE A RIGHT TO - BARE ARMS! ESpecially when its HOT outside~~~ benld74 Jun 2015 #103

Sun's out, guns out. Know'm say'n? Iggo Jun 2015 #146

Absolutely not! We need less guns in our country, not more! Initech Jun 2015 #105

I think it is a really stupid idea, like taking it into a hospital or school imo. Rex Jun 2015 #108

The leaders of a church in Minneapolis Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #113

In my humble opinion... kentuck Jun 2015 #115

I don't mind people having guns in their houses gollygee Jun 2015 #124

They disrespect the rights of everyone else to live in peace and to feel unthreatened ... kentuck Jun 2015 #126

It's becoming like the wild west gollygee Jun 2015 #127

Gunowners seem to trust strangers with guns... kentuck Jun 2015 #128

Actually, Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #133

Sounds like a quibble. kentuck Jun 2015 #135

I read it somewhere. Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #136

I would say that the church is no place for either... kentuck Jun 2015 #138

Some a Christian denominations Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #155

I watched it. kentuck Jun 2015 #159

I went to their website. Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #177

Because you said. "some Christian denominations..." kentuck Jun 2015 #179

Nope, Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #184

Nope - the word is "ratsach" whatthehey Jun 2015 #137

I was using an English translation that may have Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #157

Well the most common translation is "slay" but again it's any violent death really whatthehey Jun 2015 #175

Well I too shall put it out in the open CBGLuthier Jun 2015 #142

Should be up to the church bigwillq Jun 2015 #144

I cannot imagine a church in this country that would vote to have everyone armed. kentuck Jun 2015 #147

If they vote against it, fine. bigwillq Jun 2015 #152

No right is absolute. Carry a cross, crescent, or zion or other holy symbol Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #151

What's allowed should be the property owner's decision madville Jun 2015 #153

A property owner's rights do not extend beyond his own property... kentuck Jun 2015 #156

Problem is criminals and psychopaths don't follow laws n/t madville Jun 2015 #160

So we should make it easier for them to get more guns... kentuck Jun 2015 #163

At DU? LWolf Jun 2015 #158

I cannot believe that very many Americans would support bringing guns into their churches... kentuck Jun 2015 #161

Yes. LWolf Jun 2015 #171

I think it is difficult to deny that we live in a violent society... kentuck Jun 2015 #172

That solution LWolf Jun 2015 #174

My parish would never allow guns in our church. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #162

Of course not! kentuck Jun 2015 #164

And your parish should have the option to decide that for itself, IMO, petronius Jun 2015 #173

No, church is not a place for guns. Why B Calm Jun 2015 #165

They have more faith in their gun than they do in their God.. kentuck Jun 2015 #166

LOL, so true. A real christian wouldn't have any fear of being killed. B Calm Jun 2015 #167

And they will give us 3 excuses before the rooster crows... kentuck Jun 2015 #168

I do....and I do. ileus Jun 2015 #169

So there is only a 50% chance of you getting blown away? kentuck Jun 2015 #170

Nope I just refuse to break the law, and try to limit my exposure ileus Jun 2015 #181

the 2nd amendment needs to go the way of most Magna Carta statues lebkuchen Jun 2015 #180

I own two shotguns and a revolver (two of the three were inherited). Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #182