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In reply to the discussion: A segment of DU is very invested in painting a dystopian picture of the US [View all]joshcryer
(62,536 posts)235. The myth of early retirement
The decline in work among men in their 40s and 50s raises concerns about a lack of jobs for less-educated older male workers, but this is a separate issue from Social Security. A focus on the average retirement age and labor force participation at the end of peoples working lives often lends support to policies that would extend working lives into old age, when it might be wiser to focus on increasing labor force participation at younger ages. Even though work effort for the population overall has increased, there is still room for improvement. For example, disability rates have increased due to many factors, including the impact of a weak job market on workers in poor health and the decline in health insurance coverage. Raising the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages would exacerbate this trend, but expansionary macroeconomic policies and other job-creation measures would alleviate it. Such policies would also help middle-aged men without college degrees, teenagers, and others who are more likely to drop out of the workforce when jobs are scarce.
The focus on the average retirement age is a distraction from the more important question of how much Americans work over the course of their entire working lives. The broader question of whether Social Securitys projected shortfall is due to a growing imbalance between work and leisure is addressed at greater length in a longer EPI briefing paper (Morrissey 2011). However, as long as people pay attention to these statistics and draw policy prescriptions from them, they should be as accurate as possible.
http://www.epi.org/publication/myth-early-retirement/
The focus on the average retirement age is a distraction from the more important question of how much Americans work over the course of their entire working lives. The broader question of whether Social Securitys projected shortfall is due to a growing imbalance between work and leisure is addressed at greater length in a longer EPI briefing paper (Morrissey 2011). However, as long as people pay attention to these statistics and draw policy prescriptions from them, they should be as accurate as possible.
http://www.epi.org/publication/myth-early-retirement/
Claiming Social Security at age 66 has recently surged in popularity, due to the increase in the full retirement age to 66 for everyone born between 1943 and 1954. Some 19 percent of men and 13 percent of women born in 1943 and 1944 signed up at age 66, compared to about 1 percent among earlier groups of retirees. "It's striking how many people sign up in the month at which they reach the full retirement age," Johnson says. "The fact that the government has said that 66 and 0 months is the retirement age really seems to resonate with people. The government, just by how they frame the issue, can really induce people's retirement ages."
http://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/articles/2013/09/09/the-most-popular-ages-to-claim-social-security
http://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/articles/2013/09/09/the-most-popular-ages-to-claim-social-security
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A segment of DU is very invested in painting a dystopian picture of the US [View all]
Recursion
Jun 2015
OP
That sounds a lot like what you get from the RW...deny the facts....deflect from the topic. Why?
Fred Sanders
Jun 2015
#7
I do notice that some people want to redefine unemployment now that President Obama has lowered it.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#92
Don't have a dog in this fight, but DU has talked about the poor way
Exultant Democracy
Jun 2015
#100
Exactly...Anybody who is part of that redefinition is no friend of mine, no liberal, nuh uh
randys1
Jun 2015
#152
They said it under Bush every time we brought up the real unemployment rate.
Exultant Democracy
Jun 2015
#200
It's still a subjective measure, like U6 is. And this thread is not about political value,
DanTex
Jun 2015
#137
Maybe because we live in areas of high unemployment or are unemployed ourselves?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jun 2015
#3
Do you know what the unemployment rate is for young, African American males eg?
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#60
"underemployment and part-time benefit-less employment that have become the norm."
marions ghost
Jun 2015
#167
Not quite true. Their lack of action may be because they aren't able to just pick up and move.
haele
Jun 2015
#160
Indeed. It's an attempt at something, but not something I really understand completely.
MineralMan
Jun 2015
#13
I think that you don't understand that many of us are still screwed with today's "jobs"...
cascadiance
Jun 2015
#16
Exactly, they should be tombstoned. There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with AZ's post.
kath
Jun 2015
#185
Wow. Talk about straight up lies. 35% unemployment in black communities because every one retired?
jtuck004
Jun 2015
#103
I've been working the last 5 years from home managing an industrial supply website. I'm 50...
ChisolmTrailDem
Jun 2015
#20
Wealthsplaining happens when those whose economic condition is more fortunate explain to
RadiationTherapy
Jun 2015
#29
What planet are you living on? I work in a state government job and recent wage increases, if any,
raccoon
Jun 2015
#30
And none of that is Obama's fault, in fact, without him you and I and many others
randys1
Jun 2015
#176
While I agree about the doom-and gloom stuff, you are being overly rosy. For example:
DanTex
Jun 2015
#34
Now was that so hard? We don't keep your prior OPs printed out and pasted to the
Divernan
Jun 2015
#73
Odd that they all did so in the same year... and didn't return to work when things got sooo good. nt
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2015
#51
5% of the population left work in 2008 and about .5% have returned. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2015
#68
Isn't your wife from that "shitty part of the world" And you work for the US government by your
SammyWinstonJack
Jun 2015
#197
Yes they do, it is funny all the 'people' here like the OP that make up the biggest lies
Rex
Jun 2015
#142
This post is offensive. Two Americas. Yours may be great. Others face daily struggles.
Cheese Sandwich
Jun 2015
#83
"They make those employees clean parts of the restaurant BEFORE they clock in."
mahatmakanejeeves
Jun 2015
#158
Wages flat for 40 years. The worst inequality since the Gilded Age. Lowest workforce participation
Romulox
Jun 2015
#122
It is all true, just take what the OP says and reverse it. They love to lie about this stuff
Rex
Jun 2015
#139
Yes you are getting annoyed, because the truth hurts so you just make up stuff and stir the pot.
Rex
Jun 2015
#133
Because hungry people don't give a shit about statistics and how they hurt/help a politician...
MadDAsHell
Jun 2015
#135
wages or income? counting the yuppie 401k class that sold out workers is wrong
MisterP
Jun 2015
#143
Because it worked against Clinton might as well do it again, Gore made a mistake distancing himself.
uponit7771
Jun 2015
#156
The OP lives in India, how they know anything about America is a mystery to us all.
Rex
Jun 2015
#162
And a tiny group here is desperately doing their best for Wall Street and the status quo.
Rex
Jun 2015
#172
What the heck is going on in this thread, where someone had a post hidden that just showed some DATA
kath
Jun 2015
#174
You can't get so-called progressives elected if the so-called "centrists" are marking progress.
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#178
the relentless, hate-filled assault on women's rights in this country is a fact.
niyad
Jun 2015
#210