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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
39. Thinking maybe we should force women to give birth is "facile at best."
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 08:38 PM
Jul 2015

It's not a moral quandary as to whether you have the right to order a woman to give birth or not.

There are kinds of willful stupidity that are okay, and then there are the ones where people want a woman to perhaps die giving birth birth to a rapist's child.

If you find yourself sitting around contemplating whether, as anti-abortionists propose, we should conduct a criminal investigation to see whether a woman's miscarriage may have been "murder," or that a 12-yr-old just may have to die giving birth to the spawn of a child molester, you do not have "deep concerns." You (the hypothetical "you," not you the poster) are a dangerous fool with a distorted idea of your rights vis a vis other people's lives.

Edit: Look, this topic makes me angry. I am incredibly tired of the great levels of respect accorded to people who are pushing an agenda that would quite literally kill women. I have had it with the idea that, if we don't carefully watch them, women will "abort" a fully developed child moments from being born. That "abortionists" sell fetal body parts and trick women into making "a terrible mistake."

I understand that some -- and I would say less than the majority -- of those seeking to limit or ban abortion believe their ideas are in good faith; that there is a serious moral hazard to women making the same decisions they have been forced to make for all of history.

But they are beyond wrong, and every time we have acceded to this idea of good-faith "concerns," we find a new cheat. A new ban. A new demand for a new restriction. First it was "partial birth abortions," a dishonest name for a rare procedure typically employed only to save a woman's life. We gave them the benefit of the doubt that even though that entire notion is ridiculous, they "meant well."

So now look where we are. Forced counseling, with scripts for doctors to parrot. Forced ultrasounds. A nationwide push for shorter and shorter windows for abortion. An unending river of lies and pseudo-science, and no particular outcry when the lunatics on the fringe of this thinking -- and it's quite a broad fringe -- stalk, harass, and kill people over it.

I am beyond giving the benefit of the doubt at this point. I'm taking it and giving it to the women.

KnR. I feel so grim about this latest attack. Hekate Jul 2015 #1
I agree with every word. n/t Control-Z Jul 2015 #3
Agreed. historylovr Jul 2015 #4
They're just regular people working there. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2015 #29
Yes, that's true. I should have thought more before I posted. historylovr Jul 2015 #30
I worked for PP here in CT for six years, raising money for the organization. CTyankee Jul 2015 #37
k&R - glad the NYT picked up on this. IcyPeas Jul 2015 #2
This isn't really about abortion any more than ACORN was starroute Jul 2015 #5
+1. They've been doing this for decades YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #12
But the take-down of ACORN was left in place.... dougolat Jul 2015 #21
The Democrats had already thrown ACORN under the bus starroute Jul 2015 #23
well for some it is PatrynXX Jul 2015 #24
Well put. fasttense Jul 2015 #25
just read about that at the Howler hfojvt Jul 2015 #6
K&R nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #7
Many thanks for your post locks Jul 2015 #8
Beneficial negoldie Jul 2015 #18
Lying liars lie, as per usual. hifiguy Jul 2015 #9
There's no sincere belief in anti-abortion blather DirkGently Jul 2015 #10
"Want them punished for sex" YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #11
Many of the leaders sincerely believe in making fame and fortune off others foolish beliefs Johonny Jul 2015 #15
No, there are those who genuinely believe that abortion is killing an innocent human being. Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2015 #27
No, at best, some are genuinely are lying to themselves. DirkGently Jul 2015 #31
I stand by my original statement: There are people who genuinely believe that abortion is killing Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2015 #32
And I stand by my statement they hate women, period. DirkGently Jul 2015 #34
I think this is facile, at best . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #35
Thinking maybe we should force women to give birth is "facile at best." DirkGently Jul 2015 #39
I wasn't articulating my own position, so please don't dishonestly characterize what I am saying . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #40
I think I was clear "you" was hypothetical. DirkGently Jul 2015 #41
and God must be the world's biggest abortionist...because it is estimated that CTyankee Jul 2015 #38
You have determined that you KNOW the motivation of every single abortion opponent Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2015 #42
Calling a woman in need of an abortion a "murderer" is demonizing. DirkGently Jul 2015 #44
I am not saying that women should be forced to bear children Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2015 #46
Are any of these people involved in the edited film montages of planned Parenthood? LanternWaste Jul 2015 #45
I neither know nor care Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2015 #47
+1 markpkessinger Jul 2015 #36
Excellent editorial and comment YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #13
K&R ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #14
THESE IDIOTS ARE SO BENT cynzke Jul 2015 #16
such a brilliant OP. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #17
This will almost certainly be part of the 2016 campaign rhetoric for Cruz, Jindal, and Paul. LongTomH Jul 2015 #19
The people will seek complete prohibition of a woman's right to choose. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #20
See Romanist Robert George writing for the Catholic Education Resource Center. Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #22
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2015 #26
thank you for posting this. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #28
Just made my donation to Planned Parenthood n/t RamblingRose Jul 2015 #33
k&r... spanone Jul 2015 #43
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