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43. Then you would need to label everything, even the "pure" organic produce
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:51 AM
Aug 2015

Everything that you eat is in some way genetically modified, whether that is in a lab or in the fields (either intentionally or unintentionally). Genetic modification is why my dog doesn't try to eat my face, it's why I'm not homo habilis still discovering my opposable thumbs.

By itself genetic modifications aren't inherently bad, nor are they inherently good.

I'm linking to two really good facebook posts from Neil deGrasse Tyson on GMO and the hysteria around them:

https://www.facebook.com/neiltyson/posts/10204439688771816

Labeling: Since practically all food has been genetically altered from nature, if you wanted labeling I suppose you could demand it, but then it should be for all such foods. Perhaps there could be two different designations: GMO-Agriculture GMO-Laboratory.

Safety: Of course new foods should be tested for health risks, regardless of their origin. That's the job of the Food and Drug Administration (in the USA). Actually, humans have been testing food, even without the FDA ,since the dawn of agriculture. Whenever a berry or other ingested plant killed you, you knew not to serve it to you family.

Silk Worms: I partly mangled my comments on this. Put simply, commercial Silk Worms have been genetically modified by centuries of silk trade, such that they cannot survive in the wild. Silk Worms currently exist only to serve the textile industry. Just as Milk Cows are bred with the sole purpose of providing milk to humans. There are no herds of wild Milk Cows terrorizing the countryside.


https://www.facebook.com/neildegrassetyson/posts/10152652892786613

Furthermore, I never said GMOs were safer or more dangerous. I implied that if you think GMO-laboratory is **inherently** more dangerous to human life than GMO-agriculture you are simply wrong. They both can be bad for the environment. They both can be less healthy. They both can disrupt the local flora and fauna. But both methods wield an awesome power to improve food in every way that matters to humans: yields, appearance, vitamin content, sweetness, resistance to insects, resistance to weather extremes, and so forth.

Imagine if today, scientists showed you the Aurochs Wild Ox, and said -- "Give us time. In just a few years, we will genetically modify this wild animal, turning it into a different sub species whose sole purpose is to provide vast quantities of milk for humans to drink. They will produce 10x as much milk as did the original animal. But they will require vast grasslands to sustain. And some of you will get sick because you won't be able to digest the lactose. But no need to label this fact. People will just figure this out on their own. The rest of you will be fine. We'll call the result a Holstein Milk Cow."

What would anti GMO-laboratory people say this story? Would they embrace it or reject it? Of course, over the past 10,000 years, this is exactly what we've done to that Ox - or whatever is the agreed-upon origin of the domesticated Cow. Call it GMO-agriculture. If you reject GMOs you fundamentally reject it all.


What you're probably asking is for the labeling of food that has been modified in a lab, but there really isn't an argument as to why that is inherently more dangerous that other methods of modifications.
I want to know if it's GMO! [View all] tecelote Aug 2015 OP
I also want to know. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #1
Ask your local family farm about GMO. tecelote Aug 2015 #19
Actually, we have lots of family farms left Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #50
Because it might cut into profits. djean111 Aug 2015 #2
They tried to ban "no bovine growth hormone" roody Aug 2015 #6
Yes. tecelote Aug 2015 #14
Put me down! immoderate Aug 2015 #3
Monsatan will be here shortly to tell you roody Aug 2015 #4
With scientific studies to show why we are idiots to want to know. tecelote Aug 2015 #5
If they've got nothing to hide, then quit hiding. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #7
Exactly. tecelote Aug 2015 #8
Is that you, Senator Graham? Orrex Aug 2015 #58
No, I'm Bernie Sanders. I proposed a farm bill amendment allowing states to require labeling. pnwmom Aug 2015 #84
You, pnwmom, are no Bernie Sanders Orrex Aug 2015 #89
With regard to GMO labeling, Bernie and I are on exactly the same page, paragraph, and sentence. pnwmom Aug 2015 #92
If you're going to accuse me with lies, can I respond in kind? Orrex Aug 2015 #101
I didn't call you a shill. You're telling a falsehood. pnwmom Aug 2015 #102
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #103
I did exactly what you did when you linked me to Graham. pnwmom Aug 2015 #104
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom Aug 2015 #107
to self-delete you must click the little red x at the lower right of your post Kali Aug 2015 #110
Thanks Kali! pnwmom Aug 2015 #111
If it's food, I want to know everything that's in it whether harmful or not aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2015 #9
Why not? tecelote Aug 2015 #10
Raising awareness of GMOs . People learning what glyphosate is . Person 2713 Aug 2015 #30
Are we supposed to take your link seriously? Archae Aug 2015 #64
64 countries you can not take seriously Person 2713 Aug 2015 #67
You can trot out this list until you turn blue. Archae Aug 2015 #69
Third world ?Germany France UK Australia Belgium .....?.. Plenty more other DU can look at the list Person 2713 Aug 2015 #71
Would you eat this? Archae Aug 2015 #73
That is not the GMO s of concern and there are no GMO labels on banana s in the UK etc Person 2713 Aug 2015 #75
It is a GMO. Archae Aug 2015 #76
these are not the foods labeled in 64 countries . Glyphosate but I am guessing you already Person 2713 Aug 2015 #79
It is not a GMO Orrex Aug 2015 #81
The technology for genetically engineered organisms is a modern invention. pnwmom Aug 2015 #88
Hmm... Orrex Aug 2015 #90
I love how Monsanto-apologists always pretend that genetic engineering technology pnwmom Aug 2015 #91
I love how science-ignorant luddites try to look credible Orrex Aug 2015 #100
Science says GMOs are safe? bvar22 Aug 2015 #99
Just grabbed a link but you know .i was asked for peer reviewed studies below and when I Person 2713 Aug 2015 #68
A label on everything GMO? Archae Aug 2015 #11
Oh! There you are. tecelote Aug 2015 #13
What am I afraid of? Archae Aug 2015 #15
Good! tecelote Aug 2015 #16
Other than it being a colossal waste of time, and paper for the stickers... Archae Aug 2015 #17
Case Closed tecelote Aug 2015 #18
Thank you! processed food formulas change all the time and no one complains about a label Person 2713 Aug 2015 #28
Afraid? I guess the fomenting of abject ignorance that GMO is in anyway harmful. longship Aug 2015 #25
So all the other countries labeling or banning GMO s are ignorant now ? USA USA Person 2713 Aug 2015 #29
Wherever it is done... longship Aug 2015 #31
Again the logic here . All those other countries are starving ? They are not eating ? It's the glyphosate Person 2713 Aug 2015 #33
Where is your link to that study? longship Aug 2015 #35
Chances are it hasn't. JEAT is an OMICS journal. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #36
I guess I am not surprised. Updated! longship Aug 2015 #37
That journal is a predatory journal by a scamming company. longship Aug 2015 #41
Countries are labeling and banning based on Indian scammers sure Person 2713 Aug 2015 #44
As usual, the usual same rubbish studies. longship Aug 2015 #49
still won't answer why over 60 countries have laws ? yes over 60 insane countries ! Person 2713 Aug 2015 #66
No matter. longship Aug 2015 #72
Oh all those crazy universities and peer reviewed studies ,! Others here will see them that is why I Person 2713 Aug 2015 #74
You listed a garbage study by ideologues. longship Aug 2015 #82
60% of Americans believe in the story of Noah’s Ark as fact. progressoid Aug 2015 #93
Except this was based on scientic evidence brought to parliaments across Europe not mythology lunasun Aug 2015 #114
Yeah, I'd like to see that scientific evidence. progressoid Aug 2015 #115
genetic literacy projectt lunasun Aug 2015 #117
They don't use just American studies. In fact.... progressoid Aug 2015 #120
List of countries with labeling GMO laws "based on predators from India or nothing" Person 2713 Aug 2015 #45
Hell, you could add four letters onto that and make it GMO free. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #32
Mass starvation... Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #56
Everything sold is already labeled, whether on the item or on the bins. This will just be added pnwmom Aug 2015 #85
OK - no paid Pro-GMO hacks responses? tecelote Aug 2015 #12
Well, it's simple. It's all GMO. There. No labelling necessary. longship Aug 2015 #24
If it's food, it's been genetically modified in some way. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #34
It's all GMO. Every cultivated food you eat has been genetically modified. X_Digger Aug 2015 #20
So if I drink that beer, will I turn into the Hulk? mythology Aug 2015 #39
It's for science, I swear! *hic* ;) n/t X_Digger Aug 2015 #40
Clearly further study is needed. Orrex Aug 2015 #60
You're not a real corporate player are you? Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #21
Thank you. Me too. Duppers Aug 2015 #22
Just don't tell me how much rat poo is in my corn flakes. Flying Squirrel Aug 2015 #23
Cause it's scary.... Camel_Camel Aug 2015 #26
It doesn't bother me. But if it did, I would only buy food that is labeled Non-GMO. Hoyt Aug 2015 #27
Genetic Engineering is fun! progressoid Aug 2015 #38
FOOD ---> Petrushka Aug 2015 #42
Then you would need to label everything, even the "pure" organic produce mythology Aug 2015 #43
^This^ GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #46
Mother Nature seems to know better than to attempt to cross-pollinate a tomato with a fish . . . Petrushka Aug 2015 #52
Ya well scientists understand DNA Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #57
If we let "Mother Nature" decide our genetic fate NuclearDem Aug 2015 #61
Hmm... Orrex Aug 2015 #62
Let's say a fish has a gene that prevents it from getting a certain type of fungus. Deadshot Aug 2015 #96
Corn resistant to fungus? How is that a bad thing? Oh, dear! It's bad if you consider . . . Petrushka Aug 2015 #108
I'm talking about fungus that actually destroys the crop. Deadshot Aug 2015 #113
It's all GMO's all the way down. Far better to support your local farmer and farmer's market. GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #47
It is against the law to remove the tags from pillows and mattresses emsimon33 Aug 2015 #48
Until pillows or mattresses are purchased. PasadenaTrudy Aug 2015 #109
So do I. CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #51
So do I. RiverLover Aug 2015 #53
Sugar nationalize the fed Aug 2015 #54
Why did Obama campaign on labeling GMO's (and then do a 180) ? MONEY MONEY MONEY. djean111 Aug 2015 #55
Yes any cane is ok but if you read how they are trying to push out cane in the USA it may Person 2713 Aug 2015 #77
The sugar produced from GM sugarbeets is just sucrose cpwm17 Aug 2015 #94
I have a right to know the pedigree of the cow whose shit fertilized these non-GMO tomatoes. Orrex Aug 2015 #59
And you have the right to know the name of the chicken you're about to eat GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #112
I want to know too, Crunchy Frog Aug 2015 #63
But piss is organic and therefore a pure good. Orrex Aug 2015 #70
Exhibit A. Crunchy Frog Aug 2015 #78
Wow--I get an A? Thanks! Orrex Aug 2015 #80
Me too. They are annoying little gadflies. arikara Aug 2015 #83
They are already labeled. I bought flatbreads today... meaculpa2011 Aug 2015 #65
Required labels will make sure that all are labeled, not just a few. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #86
And really why do you care? GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #87
I don't care and I have no evidence... meaculpa2011 Aug 2015 #97
Here you go: Deadshot Aug 2015 #95
Perfect. progressoid Aug 2015 #116
This guy agreed with you in the 2008 Campaign: bvar22 Aug 2015 #98
But it has to be supported by actual science. longship Aug 2015 #105
Buy organic when you can afford to TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Aug 2015 #119
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