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In reply to the discussion: Context and the Assange case. [View all]AikidoSoul
(2,150 posts)271. You need to read FBI public docs. The FBI can do more foreign intelligence since the Patriot Act
https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/usa-patriot-act-amendments-to-foreign-intelligence-surveillance-act-authorities
Alberto R. Gonzales and Robert S. Mueller, III
Attorney General of the United States, Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Select Committee on Intelligence United States Senate
Washington, DC
April 27, 2005
Chairman Roberts, Vice Chairman Rockefeller, and Members of the Committee:
We are pleased to be here today to discuss the governments use of authorities granted to
it by Congress under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA). In particular, we
appreciate the opportunity to have a candid discussion about the impact of the amendments to
FISA made by the USA PATRIOT Act and how critical they are to the governments ability to
successfully prosecute the war on terrorism and prevent another attack like that of September 11
from ever happening again.
As we stated in our testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee, we are open to
suggestions for strengthening and clarifying the USA PATRIOT Act, and we look forward to
meeting with people both inside and outside of Congress who have expressed views about the
Act. However, we will not support any proposal that would undermine our ability to combat
terrorism effectively.
I. FISA Statistics
First, we would like to talk with you about the use of FISA generally. Since September
11, the volume of applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA court) has
dramatically increased.
In 2000, 1,012 applications for surveillance or search were filed under FISA. As
the Departments public annual FISA report sent to Congress on April 1, 2005
states, in 2004 we filed 1,758 applications, a 74% increase in four years.
Of the 1,758 applications made in 2004, none were denied, although 94 were
modified by the FISA court in some substantive way.
II. Key Uses of FISA Authorities in the War on Terrorism
In enacting the USA PATRIOT Act, the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year
2002, and the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, Congress provided the
government with vital tools that it has used regularly and effectively in its war on terrorism. The
reforms contained in those measures affect every single application made by the Department for
electronic surveillance or physical search of suspected terrorists and have enabled the government
to become quicker and more flexible in gathering critical intelligence information on suspected
terrorists. It is because of the key importance of these tools to the war on terror that we ask you
to reauthorize the provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act scheduled to expire at the end of this
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year. Of particular concern is section 206's authorization of multipoint or roving wiretaps,
section 207's expansion of FISAs authorization periods for certain cases, section 214's revision of
the legal standard for installing and using pen register / trap and trace devices, and section 215's
grant of the ability to obtain a Court order requesting the production of business records related
to national security investigations.
In addition, the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 includes a
lone wolf provision that expands the definition of agent of a foreign power to include a non-
United States person, who acts alone or is believed to be acting alone and who engages in
international terrorism or in activities in preparation therefor. This provision is also scheduled to
sunset at the end of this year, and we ask that it be made permanent as well.
A. Roving Wiretaps
Section 206 of the USA PATRIOT Act extends to FISA the ability to follow the target
for purposes of surveillance rather than tie the surveillance to a particular facility and provider
when the targets actions may have the effect of thwarting that surveillance. In the Attorney
Generals testimony at the beginning of this month before the Senate Judiciary Committee, he
declassified the fact that the FISA court issued 49 orders authorizing the use of roving
surveillance authority under section 206 as of March 30, 2005. Use of roving surveillance has
been available to law enforcement for many years and has been upheld as constitutional by several
federal courts, including the Second, Fifth, and Ninth Circuits. Some object that this provision
gives the FBI discretion to conduct surveillance of persons who are not approved targets of
court-authorized surveillance. This is wrong. Section 206 did not change the requirement that
before approving electronic surveillance, the FISA court must find that there is probable cause to
believe that the target of the surveillance is either a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power,
such as a terrorist or spy. Without section 206, investigators will once again have to struggle to
catch up to sophisticated terrorists trained to constantly change phones in order to avoid
surveillance.
Critics of section 206 also contend that it allows intelligence investigators to conduct
John Doe roving surveillance that permits the FBI to wiretap every single phone line, mobile
communications device, or Internet connection the suspect may use without having to identify the
suspect by name. As a result, they fear that the FBI may violate the communications privacy of
innocent Americans. Let me respond to this criticism in the following way. First, even when the
government is unsure of the name of a target of such a wiretap, FISA requires the government to
provide the identity, if known, or a description of the target of the electronic surveillance to the
FISA Court prior to obtaining the surveillance order. 50 U.S.C. §§ 1804(a)(3) and
1805(c)(1)(A). As a result, each roving wiretap order is tied to a particular target whom the
FISA Court must find probable cause to believe is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power.
In addition, the FISA Court must find that the actions of the target of the application may have
the effect of thwarting the surveillance, thereby requiring an analysis of the activities of a foreign
power or an agent of a foreign power that can be identified or described. 50 U.S.C.
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§ 1805(c)(2)(B). Finally, it is important to remember that FISA has always required that the
government conduct every surveillance pursuant to appropriate minimization procedures that limit
the governments acquisition, retention, and dissemination of irrelevant communications of
innocent Americans. Both the Attorney General and the FISA Court must approve those
minimization procedures. Taken together, we believe that these provisions adequately protect
against unwarranted governmental intrusions into the privacy of Americans. Section 206 sunsets
at the end of this year.
the target of the application may have
the effect of thwarting the surveillance, thereby requiring an analysis of the activities of a foreign
power or an agent of a foreign power that can be identified or described. 50 U.S.C.
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§ 1805(c)(2)(B). Finally, it is important to remember that FISA has always required that the
government conduct every surveillance pursuant to appropriate minimization procedures that limit
the governments acquisition, retention, and dissemination of irrelevant communications of
innocent Americans. Both the Attorney General and the FISA Court must approve those
minimization procedures. Taken together, we believe that these provisions adequately protect
against unwarranted governmental intrusions into the privacy of Americans. Section 206 sunsets
at the end of this year.
B. Authorized Periods for FISA Collection
Section 207 of the USA PATRIOT Act has been essential to protecting the national
security of the United States and protecting the civil liberties of Americans. It changed the time
periods for which electronic surveillance and physical searches are authorized under FISA and, in
doing so, conserved limited OIPR and FBI resources. Instead of devoting time to the mechanics
of repeatedly renewing FISA applications in certain cases -- which are considerable -- those
resources can be devoted instead to other investigative activity as well as conducting appropriate
oversight of the use of intelligence collection authorities by the FBI and other intelligence
agencies. A few examples of how section 207 has helped are set forth below.
Since its inception, FISA has permitted electronic surveillance of an individual who is an
agent of foreign power based upon his status as a non-United States person who acts in the
United States as "an officer or employee of a foreign power, or as a member" of an international
terrorist group. As originally enacted, FISA permitted electronic surveillance of such targets for
initial periods of 90 days, with extensions for additional periods of up to 90 days based upon
subsequent applications by the government. In addition, FISA originally allowed the government
to conduct physical searches of any agent of a foreign power (including United States persons) for
initial periods of 45 days, with extensions for additional 45-day periods.
Section 207 of the USA PATRIOT Act changed the law as to permit the government to
conduct electronic surveillance and physical search of certain agents of foreign powers and nonresident
alien members of international groups for initial periods of 120 days, with extensions for
periods of up to one year. It also allows the government to obtain authorization to conduct a
physical search of any agent of a foreign power for periods of up to 90 days. Section 207 did not
change the time periods applicable for electronic surveillance of United States persons, which
remain at 90 days. By making these time periods equivalent, it has enabled the Department to file
streamlined combined electronic surveillance and physical search applications that, in the past,
were tried but abandoned as too cumbersome to do effectively.
As the Attorney General testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee, we estimate that
the amendments in section 207 have saved OIPR approximately 60,000 hours of attorney time in
the processing of applications. Because of section 207's success, we have proposed additional
amendments to increase the efficiency of the FISA process. Among these would be to allow
coverage of all non-U.S. person agents for foreign powers for 120 days initially with each renewal
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of such authority allowing continued coverage for one year. Had this and other proposals been
included in the USA PATRIOT Act, the Department estimates that an additional 25,000 attorney
hours would have been saved in the interim. Most of these ideas were specifically endorsed in the
recent report of the WMD Commission. The WMD Commission agreed that these changes
would allow the Department to focus its attention where it is most needed and to ensure adequate
attention is given to cases implicating the civil liberties of Americans. Section 207 is scheduled to
sunset at the end of this year.
C. Pen Registers and Trap and Trace Devices
Some of the most useful, and least intrusive, investigative tools available to both
intelligence and law enforcement investigators are pen registers and trap and trace devices.
These devices record data regarding incoming and outgoing communications, such as all of the
telephone numbers that call, or are called by, certain phone numbers associated with a suspected
terrorist or spy. These devices, however, do not record the substantive content of the
communications, such as the words spoken in a telephone conversation. For that reason, the
Supreme Court has held that there is no Fourth Amendment protected privacy interest in
information acquired from telephone calls by a pen register. Nevertheless, information obtained
by pen registers or trap and trace devices can be extremely useful in an investigation by revealing
the nature and extent of the contacts between a subject and his confederates. The data provides
important leads for investigators, and may assist them in building the facts necessary to obtain
probable cause to support a full content wiretap.
Under chapter 206 of title 18, which has been in place since 1986, if an FBI agent and
prosecutor in a criminal investigation of a bank robber or an organized crime figure want to install
and use pen registers or trap and trace devices, the prosecutor must file an application to do so
with a federal court. The application they must file, however, is exceedingly simple: it need only
specify the identity of the applicant and the law enforcement agency conducting the investigation,
as well as a certification by the applicant that the information likely to be obtained is relevant to
an ongoing criminal investigation being conducted by that agency. Such applications, of course,
include other information about the facility that will be targeted and details about the
implementation of the collection, as well as a statement of the offense to which the information
likely to be obtained . . . relates, but chapter 206 does not require an extended recitation of the
facts of the case.
In contrast, prior to the USA PATRIOT Act, in order for an FBI agent conducting an
intelligence investigation to obtain FISA authority to use the same pen register and trap and trace
device to investigate a spy or a terrorist, the government was required to file a complicated
application under title IV of FISA. Not only was the governments application required to
include a certification by the applicant that the information likely to be obtained is relevant to an
ongoing foreign intelligence or international terrorism investigation being conducted by the
Federal Bureau of Investigation under guidelines approved by the Attorney General, it also had
to include the following:
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information which demonstrates that there is reason to believe that the telephone line to
which the pen register or trap and trace device is to be attached, or the communication
instrument or device to be covered by the pen register or trap and trace device, has been
or is about to be used in communication with
(A) an individual who is engaging or has engaged in international terrorism or
clandestine intelligence activities that involve or may involve a violation of the
criminal laws of the United States; or
(B) a foreign power or agent of foreign power under circumstances giving reason
to believe that the communication concerns or concerned international terrorism or
clandestine intelligence activities that involve or may involve a violation of the
criminal laws of the United States.
Thus, the government had to make a much different showing in order obtain a pen register
or trap and trace authorization to find out information about a spy or a terrorist than is required to
obtain the very same information about a drug dealer or other ordinary criminal. Sensibly, section
214 of the USA PATRIOT Act simplified the standard that the government must meet in order to
obtain pen/trap data in national security cases. Now, in order to obtain a national security
pen/trap order, the applicant must certify that the information likely to be obtained is foreign
intelligence information not concerning a United States person, or is relevant to an investigation
to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities. Importantly, the
law requires that such an investigation of a United States person may not be conducted solely
upon the basis of activities protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution.
Section 214 should not be permitted to expire and return us to the days when it was more
difficult to obtain pen/trap authority in important national security cases than in normal criminal
cases. This is especially true when the law already includes provisions that adequately protect the
civil liberties of Americans. I urge you to re-authorize section 214.
D. Access to Tangible Things
Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act allows the FBI to obtain an order from the FISA
Court requesting production of any tangible thing, such as business records, if the items are
relevant to an ongoing authorized national security investigation, which, in the case of a United
States person, cannot be based solely upon activities protected by the First Amendment to the
Constitution. The Attorney General also declassified earlier this month the fact that the FISA
Court has issued 35 orders requiring the production of tangible things under section 215 from the
date of the effective date of the Act through March 30th of this year. None of those orders was
issued to libraries and/or booksellers, and none was for medical or gun records. The provision to
date has been used only to order the production of drivers license records, public accommodation
records, apartment leasing records, credit card records, and subscriber information, such as names
and addresses, for telephone numbers captured through court-authorized pen register devices.
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Similar to a prosecutor in a criminal case issuing a grand jury subpoena for an item
relevant to his investigation, so too may the FISA Court issue an order requiring the production
of records or items that are relevant to an investigation to protect against international terrorism
or clandestine intelligence activities. Section 215 orders, however, are subject to judicial
oversight before they are issued unlike grand jury subpoenas. The FISA Court must explicitly
authorize the use of section 215 to obtain business records before the government may serve the
order on a recipient. In contrast, grand jury subpoenas are subject to judicial review only if they
are challenged by the recipient. Section 215 orders are also subject to the same standard as grand
jury subpoenas a relevance standard.
Section 215 has been criticized because it does not exempt libraries and booksellers. The
absence of such an exemption is consistent with criminal investigative practice. Prosecutors have
always been able to obtain records from libraries and bookstores through grand jury subpoenas.
Libraries and booksellers should not become safe havens for terrorists and spies. Last year, a
member of a terrorist group closely affiliated with al Qaeda used Internet service provided by a
public library to communicate with his confederates. Furthermore, we know that spies have used
public library computers to do research to further their espionage and to communicate with their
co-conspirators. For example, Brian Regan, a former TRW employee working at the National
Reconnaissance Office, who was convicted of espionage, extensively used computers at five
public libraries in Northern Virginia and Maryland to access addresses for the embassies of certain
foreign governments.
Concerns that section 215 allows the government to target Americans because of the
books they read or websites they visit are misplaced. The provision explicitly prohibits the
government from conducting an investigation of a U.S. person based solely upon protected First
Amendment activity. 50 U.S.C. § 1861(a)(2)(B). However, some criticisms of section 215 have
apparently been based on possible ambiguity in the law. The Department has already stated in
litigation that the recipient of a section 215 order may consult with his attorney and may challenge
that order in court. The Department has also stated that the government may seek, and a court
may require, only the production of records that are relevant to a national security investigation, a
standard similar to the relevance standard that applies to grand jury subpoenas in criminal cases.
The text of section 215, however, is not as clear as it could be in these respects. The Department,
therefore, is willing to support amendments to Section 215 to clarify these points. Section 215
also is scheduled to sunset at the end of this year.
E. The Wall
Before the USA PATRIOT Act, applications for orders authorizing electronic surveillance
or physical searches under FISA had to include a certification from a high-ranking Executive
Branch official that the purpose of the surveillance or search was to gather foreign intelligence
information. As interpreted by the courts and the Justice Department, this requirement meant that
the primary purpose of the collection had to be to obtain foreign intelligence information rather
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than evidence of a crime. Over the years, the prevailing interpretation and implementation of the
primary purpose standard had the effect of sharply limiting coordination and information sharing
between intelligence and law enforcement personnel. Because the courts evaluated the
governments purpose for using FISA at least in part by examining the nature and extent of such
coordination, the more coordination that occurred, the more likely courts would find that law
enforcement, rather than foreign intelligence collection, had become the primary purpose of the
surveillance or search.
During the 1980s, the Department operated under a set of largely unwritten rules that
limited to some degree information sharing between intelligence and law enforcement officials. In
1995, however, the Department established formal procedures that more clearly separated law
enforcement and intelligence investigations and limited the sharing of information between
intelligence and law enforcement personnel even more than the law required. The promulgation
of these procedures was motivated in part by the concern that the use of FISA authorities would
not be allowed to continue in particular investigations if criminal prosecution began to overcome
intelligence gathering as an investigations primary purpose. The procedures were intended to
permit a degree of interaction and information sharing between prosecutors and intelligence
officers while at the same time ensuring that the FBI would be able to obtain or continue FISA
coverage and later use the fruits of that coverage in a criminal prosecution. Over time, however,
coordination and information sharing between intelligence and law enforcement personnel became
more limited in practice than was allowed in reality. A perception arose that improper
information sharing could end a career, and a culture developed within the Department sharply
limiting the exchange of information between intelligence and law enforcement officials.
Sections 218 and 504 of the USA PATRIOT Act helped to bring down this wall
separating intelligence and law enforcement officials. They erased the perceived statutory
impediment to more robust information sharing between intelligence and law enforcement
personnel. They also provided the necessary impetus for the removal of the formal administrative
restrictions as well as the informal cultural restrictions on information sharing.
Section 218 of the USA PATRIOT Act eliminated the primary purpose requirement.
Under section 218, the government may conduct FISA surveillance or searches if foreign
intelligence gathering is a significant purpose of the surveillance or search. This eliminated the
need for courts to compare the relative weight of the foreign intelligence and law enforcement
purposes of the surveillance or search, and allows increased coordination and sharing of
information between intelligence and law enforcement personnel. Section 218 was upheld as
constitutional in 2002 by the FISA court of Review. This change, significantly, did not affect the
governments obligation to demonstrate that there is probable cause to believe that the target is a
foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. Section 504 which is not subject to sunset
buttressed section 218 by specifically amending FISA to allow intelligence officials conducting
FISA surveillances or searches to consult with federal law enforcement officials to coordinate
efforts to investigate or protect against international terrorism, espionage, and other foreign
threats to national security, and to clarify that such coordination shall not preclude the
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certification of a significant foreign intelligence purpose or the issuance of an authorization
order by the FISA court.
The Department moved aggressively to implement sections 218 and 504. Following
passage of the Act, the Attorney General adopted new procedures designed to increase
information sharing between intelligence and law enforcement officials, which were affirmed by
the FISA court of Review on November 18, 2002. The Attorney General has also issued other
directives to further enhance information sharing and coordination between intelligence and law
enforcement officials. In practical terms, a prosecutor may now consult freely with the FBI about
what, if any, investigative tools should be used to best prevent terrorist attacks and protect the
national security. Unlike section 504, section 218 is scheduled to sunset at the end of this year.
The increased information sharing facilitated by the USA PATRIOT Act has led to
tangible results in the war against terrorism: plots have been disrupted; terrorists have been
apprehended; and convictions have been obtained in terrorism cases. Information sharing
between intelligence and law enforcement personnel, for example, was critical in successfully
dismantling a terror cell in Portland, Oregon, popularly known as the Portland Seven, as well as
a terror cell in Lackawanna, New York. Such information sharing has also been used in the
prosecution of: several persons involved in al Qaeda drugs-for-weapons plot in San Diego, two of
whom have pleaded guilty; nine associates in Northern Virginia of a violent extremist group
known as Lashkar-e-Taiba that has ties to al Qaeda, who were convicted and sentenced to prison
terms ranging from four years to life imprisonment; two Yemeni citizens, Mohammed Ali Hasan
Al-Moayad and Mohshen Yahya Zayed, who were charged and convicted for conspiring to
provide material support to al Qaeda and HAMAS; Khaled Abdel Latif Dumeisi, who was
convicted by a jury in January 2004 of illegally acting as an agent of the former government of
Iraq as well as two counts of perjury; and Enaam Arnaout, the Executive Director of the Illinoisbased
Benevolence International Foundation, who had a long-standing relationship with Osama
Bin Laden and pleaded guilty to a racketeering charge, admitting that he diverted thousands of
dollars from his charity organization to support Islamic militant groups in Bosnia and Chechnya.
Information sharing between intelligence and law enforcement personnel has also been extremely
valuable in a number of other ongoing or otherwise sensitive investigations that we are not at
liberty to discuss today.
While the wall primarily hindered the flow of information from intelligence investigators
to law enforcement investigators, another set of barriers, before the passage of the USA
PATRIOT Act, often hampered law enforcement officials from sharing information with
intelligence personnel and others in the government responsible for protecting the national
security. Federal law, for example, was interpreted generally to prohibit federal prosecutors from
disclosing information from grand jury testimony and criminal investigative wiretaps to
intelligence and national defense officials even if that information indicated that terrorists were
planning a future attack, unless such officials were actually assisting with the criminal
investigation. Sections 203(a) and (b) of the USA PATRIOT Act, however, eliminated these
obstacles to information sharing by allowing for the dissemination of that information to assist
Federal law enforcement, intelligence, protective, immigration, national defense, and national
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security officials in the performance of their official duties, even if their duties are unrelated to the
criminal investigation. (Section 203(a) covers grand jury information, and section 203(b) covers
wiretap information.) Section 203(d), likewise, ensures that important information that is
obtained by law enforcement means may be shared with intelligence and other national security
officials. This provision does so by creating a generic exception to any other law purporting to
bar Federal law enforcement, intelligence, immigration, national defense, or national security
officials from receiving, for official use, information regarding foreign intelligence or
counterintelligence obtained as part of a criminal investigation. Indeed, section 905 of the USA
PATRIOT Act requires the Attorney General to expeditiously disclose to the Director of Central
Intelligence foreign intelligence acquired by the Department of Justice in the course of a criminal
investigation unless disclosure of such information would jeopardize an ongoing investigation or
impair other significant law enforcement interests.
The Department has relied on section 203 in disclosing vital information to the intelligence
community and other federal officials on many occasions. Such disclosures, for instance, have
been used to assist in the dismantling of terror cells in Portland, Oregon and Lackawanna, New
York and to support the revocation of suspected terrorists visas.
Because two provisions in section 203: sections 203(b) and 203(d) are scheduled to sunset
at the end of the year, we provide below specific examples of the utility of those provisions.
Examples of cases where intelligence information from a criminal investigation was appropriately
shared with the Intelligence Community under Section 203(d) include:
Information about the organization of a violent jihad training camp including training in
basic military skills, explosives, weapons and plane hijackings, as well as a plot to bomb
soft targets abroad, resulted from the investigation and criminal prosecution of a
naturalized United States citizen who was associated with an al-Qaeda related group;
Travel information and the manner that monies were channeled to members of a seditious
conspiracy who traveled from the United States to fight alongside the Taliban against U.S.
and allied forces;
Information about an assassination plot, including the use of false travel documents and
transporting monies to a designated state sponsor of terrorism resulted from the
investigation and prosecution of a naturalized United States citizen who had been the
founder of a well-known United States organization;
Information about the use of fraudulent travel documents by a high-ranking member of a
designated foreign terrorist organization emanating from his criminal investigation and
prosecution revealed intelligence information about the manner and means of the terrorist
groups logistical support network which was shared in order to assist in protecting the
lives of U.S. citizens;
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The criminal prosecution of individuals who traveled to, and participated in, a militarystyle
training camp abroad yielded intelligence information in a number of areas including
details regarding the application forms which permitted attendance at the training camp;
after being convicted, one defendant has testified in a recent separate federal criminal trial
about this application practice, which assisted in the admissibility of the form and
conviction of the defendants; and
The criminal prosecution of a naturalized U.S. citizen who had traveled to an Al-Qaeda
training camp in Afghanistan revealed information about the groups practices, logistical
support and targeting information.
Title III information has similarly been shared with the Intelligence Community through section
203(b). The potential utility of such information to the intelligence and national security
communities is obvious: suspects whose conversations are being monitored without their
knowledge may reveal all sorts of information about terrorists, terrorist plots, or other activities
with national security implications. Furthermore, the utility of this provision is not theoretical: the
Department has made disclosures of vital information to the intelligence community and other
federal officials under section 203(b) on many occasions, such as:
Wiretap interceptions involving a scheme to defraud donors and the Internal Revenue
Service and illegally transfer monies to Iraq generated not only criminal charges but
information concerning the manner and means by which monies were funneled to Iraq; and
Intercepted communications, in conjunction with a sting operation, led to criminal charges
and intelligence information relating to money laundering, receiving and attempting to
transport night-vision goggles, infrared army lights and other sensitive military equipment
relating to a foreign terrorist organization.
Section 203 is also critical to the operation of the National Counterterrorism Center. The
FBI relies upon section 203(d) to provide information obtained in criminal investigations to
analysts in the new National Counterterrorism Center, thus assisting the Center in carrying out its
vital counterterrorism missions. The National Counterterrorism Center represents a strong
example of section 203 information sharing, as the Center uses information provided by law
enforcement agencies to produce comprehensive terrorism analysis; to add to the list of suspected
terrorists on the TIPOFF watchlist; and to distribute terrorism-related information across the
federal government.
In addition, last year, during a series of high-profile events the G-8 Summit in Georgia,
the Democratic Convention in Boston and the Republican Convention in New York, the
November 2004 presidential election, and other events a task force used the information sharing
provisions under Section 203(d) as part and parcel of performing its critical duties. The 2004
Threat Task Force was a successful inter-agency effort where there was a robust sharing of
information at all levels of government.
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the purpose of the surveillance or search was to gather foreign intelligence
information. As interpreted by the courts and the Justice Department, this requirement meant that
the primary purpose of the collection had to be to obtain foreign intelligence information rather
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than evidence of a crime. Over the years, the prevailing interpretation and implementation of the
primary purpose standard had the effect of sharply limiting coordination and information sharing
between intelligence and law enforcement personnel. Because the courts evaluated the
governments purpose for using FISA at least in part by examining the nature and extent of such
coordination, the more coordination that occurred, the more likely courts would find that law
enforcement, rather than foreign intelligence collection, had become the primary purpose of the
surveillance or search.
During the 1980s, the Department operated under a set of largely unwritten rules that
limited to some degree information sharing between intelligence and law enforcement officials. In
1995, however, the Department established formal procedures that more clearly separated law
enforcement and intelligence investigations and limited the sharing of information between
intelligence and law enforcement personnel even more than the law required. The promulgation
of these procedures was motivated in part by the concern that the use of FISA authorities would
not be allowed to continue in particular investigations if criminal prosecution began to overcome
intelligence gathering as an investigations primary purpose. The procedures were intended to
permit a degree of interaction and information sharing between prosecutors and intelligence
officers while at the same time ensuring that the FBI would be able to obtain or continue FISA
coverage and later use the fruits of that coverage in a criminal prosecution. Over time, however,
coordination and information sharing between intelligence and law enforcement personnel became
more limited in practice than was allowed in reality. A perception arose that improper
information sharing could end a career, and a culture developed within the Department sharply
limiting the exchange of information between intelligence and law enforcement officials.
Sections 218 and 504 of the USA PATRIOT Act helped to bring down this wall
separating intelligence and law enforcement officials. They erased the perceived statutory
impediment to more robust information sharing between intelligence and law enforcement
personnel. They also provided the necessary impetus for the removal of the formal administrative
restrictions as well as the informal cultural restrictions on information sharing.
Section 218 of the USA PATRIOT Act eliminated the primary purpose requirement.
Under section 218, the government may conduct FISA surveillance or searches if foreign
intelligence gathering is a significant purpose of the surveillance or search. This eliminated the
need for courts to compare the relative weight of the foreign intelligence and law enforcement
purposes of the surveillance or search, and allows increased coordination and sharing of
information between intelligence and law enforcement personnel. Section 218 was upheld as
constitutional in 2002 by the FISA court of Review. This change, significantly, did not affect the
governments obligation to demonstrate that there is probable cause to believe that the target is a
foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. Section 504 which is not subject to sunset
buttressed section 218 by specifically amending FISA to allow intelligence officials conducting
FISA surveillances or searches to consult with federal law enforcement officials to coordinate
efforts to investigate or protect against international terrorism, espionage, and other foreign
threats to national security, and to clarify that such coordination shall not preclude the
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certification of a significant foreign intelligence purpose or the issuance of an authorization
order by the FISA court.
The Department moved aggressively to implement sections 218 and 504. Following
passage of the Act, the Attorney General adopted new procedures designed to increase
information sharing between intelligence and law enforcement officials, which were affirmed by
the FISA court of Review on November 18, 2002. The Attorney General has also issued other
directives to further enhance information sharing and coordination between intelligence and law
enforcement officials. In practical terms, a prosecutor may now consult freely with the FBI about
what, if any, investigative tools should be used to best prevent terrorist attacks and protect the
national security. Unlike section 504, section 218 is scheduled to sunset at the end of this year.
The increased information sharing facilitated by the USA PATRIOT Act has led to
tangible results in the war against terrorism: plots have been disrupted; terrorists have been
apprehended; and convictions have been obtained in terrorism cases. Information sharing
between intelligence and law enforcement personnel, for example, was critical in successfully
dismantling a terror cell in Portland, Oregon, popularly known as the Portland Seven, as well as
a terror cell in Lackawanna, New York. Such information sharing has also been used in the
prosecution of: several persons involved in al Qaeda drugs-for-weapons plot in San Diego, two of
whom have pleaded guilty; nine associates in Northern Virginia of a violent extremist group
known as Lashkar-e-Taiba that has ties to al Qaeda, who were convicted and sentenced to prison
terms ranging from four years to life imprisonment; two Yemeni citizens, Mohammed Ali Hasan
Al-Moayad and Mohshen Yahya Zayed, who were charged and convicted for conspiring to
provide material support to al Qaeda and HAMAS; Khaled Abdel Latif Dumeisi, who was
convicted by a jury in January 2004 of illegally acting as an agent of the former government of
Iraq as well as two counts of perjury; and Enaam Arnaout, the Executive Director of the Illinoisbased
Benevolence International Foundation, who had a long-standing relationship with Osama
Bin Laden and pleaded guilty to a racketeering charge, admitting that he diverted thousands of
dollars from his charity organization to support Islamic militant groups in Bosnia and Chechnya.
Information sharing between intelligence and law enforcement personnel has also been extremely
valuable in a number of other ongoing or otherwise sensitive investigations that we are not at
liberty to discuss today.
While the wall primarily hindered the flow of information from intelligence investigators
to law enforcement investigators, another set of barriers, before the passage of the USA
PATRIOT Act, often hampered law enforcement officials from sharing information with
intelligence personnel and others in the government responsible for protecting the national
security. Federal law, for example, was interpreted generally to prohibit federal prosecutors from
disclosing information from grand jury testimony and criminal investigative wiretaps to
intelligence and national defense officials even if that information indicated that terrorists were
planning a future attack, unless such officials were actually assisting with the criminal
investigation. Sections 203(a) and (b) of the USA PATRIOT Act, however, eliminated these
obstacles to information sharing by allowing for the dissemination of that information to assist
Federal law enforcement, intelligence, protective, immigration, national defense, and national
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security officials in the performance of their official duties, even if their duties are unrelated to the
criminal investigation. (Section 203(a) covers grand jury information, and section 203(b) covers
wiretap information.) Section 203(d), likewise, ensures that important information that is
obtained by law enforcement means may be shared with intelligence and other national security
officials. This provision does so by creating a generic exception to any other law purporting to
bar Federal law enforcement, intelligence, immigration, national defense, or national security
officials from receiving, for official use, information regarding foreign intelligence or
counterintelligence obtained as part of a criminal investigation. Indeed, section 905 of the USA
PATRIOT Act requires the Attorney General to expeditiously disclose to the Director of Central
Intelligence foreign intelligence acquired by the Department of Justice in the course of a criminal
investigation unless disclosure of such information would jeopardize an ongoing investigation or
impair other significant law enforcement interests.
The Department has relied on section 203 in disclosing vital information to the intelligence
community and other federal officials on many occasions. Such disclosures, for instance, have
been used to assist in the dismantling of terror cells in Portland, Oregon and Lackawanna, New
York and to support the revocation of suspected terrorists visas.
Because two provisions in section 203: sections 203(b) and 203(d) are scheduled to sunset
at the end of the year, we provide below specific examples of the utility of those provisions.
Examples of cases where intelligence information from a criminal investigation was appropriately
shared with the Intelligence Community under Section 203(d) include:
Information about the organization of a violent jihad training camp including training in
basic military skills, explosives, weapons and plane hijackings, as well as a plot to bomb
soft targets abroad, resulted from the investigation and criminal prosecution of a
naturalized United States citizen who was associated with an al-Qaeda related group;
Travel information and the manner that monies were channeled to members of a seditious
conspiracy who traveled from the United States to fight alongside the Taliban against U.S.
and allied forces;
Information about an assassination plot, including the use of false travel documents and
transporting monies to a designated state sponsor of terrorism resulted from the
investigation and prosecution of a naturalized United States citizen who had been the
founder of a well-known United States organization;
Information about the use of fraudulent travel documents by a high-ranking member of a
designated foreign terrorist organization emanating from his criminal investigation and
prosecution revealed intelligence information about the manner and means of the terrorist
groups logistical support network which was shared in order to assist in protecting the
lives of U.S. citizens;
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The criminal prosecution of individuals who traveled to, and participated in, a militarystyle
training camp abroad yielded intelligence information in a number of areas including
details regarding the application forms which permitted attendance at the training camp;
after being convicted, one defendant has testified in a recent separate federal criminal trial
about this application practice, which assisted in the admissibility of the form and
conviction of the defendants; and
The criminal prosecution of a naturalized U.S. citizen who had traveled to an Al-Qaeda
training camp in Afghanistan revealed information about the groups practices, logistical
support and targeting information.
Title III information has similarly been shared with the Intelligence Community through section
203(b). The potential utility of such information to the intelligence and national security
communities is obvious: suspects whose conversations are being monitored without their
knowledge may reveal all sorts of information about terrorists, terrorist plots, or other activities
with national security implications. Furthermore, the utility of this provision is not theoretical: the
Department has made disclosures of vital information to the intelligence community and other
federal officials under section 203(b) on many occasions, such as:
Wiretap interceptions involving a scheme to defraud donors and the Internal Revenue
Service and illegally transfer monies to Iraq generated not only criminal charges but
information concerning the manner and means by which monies were funneled to Iraq; and
Intercepted communications, in conjunction with a sting operation, led to criminal charges
and intelligence information relating to money laundering, receiving and attempting to
transport night-vision goggles, infrared army lights and other sensitive military equipment
relating to a foreign terrorist organization.
Section 203 is also critical to the operation of the National Counterterrorism Center. The
FBI relies upon section 203(d) to provide information obtained in criminal investigations to
analysts in the new National Counterterrorism Center, thus assisting the Center in carrying out its
vital counterterrorism missions. The National Counterterrorism Center represents a strong
example of section 203 information sharing, as the Center uses information provided by law
enforcement agencies to produce comprehensive terrorism analysis; to add to the list of suspected
terrorists on the TIPOFF watchlist; and to distribute terrorism-related information across the
federal government.
In addition, last year, during a series of high-profile events the G-8 Summit in Georgia,
the Democratic Convention in Boston and the Republican Convention in New York, the
November 2004 presidential election, and other events a task force used the information sharing
provisions under Section 203(d) as part and parcel of performing its critical duties. The 2004
Threat Task Force was a successful inter-agency effort where there was a robust sharing of
information at all levels of government.
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Read the Swedish Judicial Authority's "Findings of facts and reasons" for insight into how Assange
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#283
OMG!!!! CARL ROVE IS ADVISOR TO SWEDISH GOV RE PROSECUTION OF JULIAN ASSANGE!!!!!!!
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#286
Assange has known since 2011 that a secret indictment was waiting for him in the USA
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#343
Comment to SNOT's June 2012 comment about "there's no way to indict Assange for espionage"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#425
An excellent OP, hifiguy! Hope it awakens some here, but the propaganda has been strong. nt
Mnemosyne
Aug 2015
#2
The intelligence agencies and propaganda machines get those billions upon billions
hifiguy
Aug 2015
#4
"Sex accusers boasted about their 'conquest' of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#291
Maybe it's almost over now? "Julian Assange's attorney speaks out as sexual assault case dropped"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#318
Hifiguy, in case you ever wondered whether Assange helped the world realize that fascism is upon us
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#401
Counterpunch's John Pilger tells the story of Assange and the dangerous stage he's now entering
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#394
Thank you hifiguy for the opportunity to participate in your wonderful thread.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#396
Assange has received many awards and honors for leaking the truth about how the world
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#406
Propaganda galore, but also much support from respected people like Michael Moore and
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#416
i cannot even begin to quantify the irrelevance of what you are attempting to say.
hifiguy
Aug 2015
#5
Right. Because someone, somewhere might be targeted, Assange's word is automatically golden.
randome
Aug 2015
#6
As randome indicated it's entirely possible to be politically on the right side of the spectrum
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#23
how does one frame a man who has admitted to the acts described in the warrant?
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#28
US targets WikiLeaks like no other organisation (interesting 2011 news report)
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#296
Naomi Wolf investigated and discovered that CARL ROVE is advising Sweden in prosecution of ASSANGE
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#306
You are the one speculating using flimsy claims void of facts or documentation.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#313
You're confused. I know the difference between Naoimi Klein and Naomi Wolf, the latter being an
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#319
Naomi Klein, Naomi Wolf, + women's advocacy group, question nature + purpose of Assange prosecution
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#322
Who said informants "deserve to be killed" ???? Do you have a link? Any documentation at all?
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#371
Spycraft uses lies of all types, but sex is both the honeytrap and the button pusher extraordinaire
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#408
w ait a second you're saying Assange was forced into penetrating a sleeping woman? nt
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#66
Methinks you are ignoring the very basic sexual instincts of men, which many consider
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#151
The possibility that this was an intelligence setup is pretty close to zero.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#165
You cannot make that analysis with any certainty whatsoever. But you can look at history
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#172
Sure I can. The nonsense posited here is a virtual impossibility. The CIA does not have time for
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#173
Reality check Mr. Leser. You need to read the book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#209
There are all kinds of books written alleging all kinds of stuff. That doesn't make them true.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#211
I believe some conspiracies happen sure. This simply isn't a plausible one.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#233
OMG -- no wonder corporations and the Rove people want to neutralize Assange
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#412
You said "Arab Spring was a national security risk to leaders of those countries, not to the US"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#241
But Joe Biden said Assange is a "terrorist". Do you think the CIA heard him? Read this:
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#415
If you read the transcript you refer to you would have to admit that you're wrong. Look at your
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#242
You can read, right? Below is a snippet. Assange is not contesting the allegations.
randome
Aug 2015
#255
Don't you understand randome, Julian Assange was never CHARGED with these allegations
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#293
Swedish prosecution drops 2 of 4 allegations against Assange due to statute of limitations expiry
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#321
Don't you understand randome, Julian Assange was never CHARGED with these allegations
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#294
Look, Assange was staying at the apartment of one of the women he had sex with.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#214
Why can't you admit that Assange is being targeted by Karl Rove and Company
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#372
You took the words out of my mouth zeemike. It's a waste of precious time to argue with
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#215
Right again. Fully half the world is engaged in this grand conspiracy theory of yours.
randome
Aug 2015
#189
Randome, I suggest you follow the advice of your sig line. Get a very good, very, very
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#217
The FBI are not foreign spies, they are a domestic law enforcement organization. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#128
Ethel Rosenberg isnt the issue. You are using what a different agency did to make your point. And
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#135
First off, Assange isn't a dissenter. He's not a US citizen. This isn't a movie or a cartoon.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#138
Justice Department officials privately described investigation as being "unprecedented in scale
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#404
Bwaa hahaha, OMG do you really think that's true? Here's the link to the FBI's international website
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#258
Do you understand what all of that means? I doubt it, in fact I am sure you don't. From YOUR link...
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#259
Wow. You are really a crazy expert in twisting things around. A real gobbledegook expert.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#262
You didn't prove me wrong, you proved you dont know the difference between a law enforcement agency
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#263
You need to read FBI public docs. The FBI can do more foreign intelligence since the Patriot Act
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#271
Here a link to the FBI's website describing their foreign intelligence activities
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#273
In plain English, in the body of this text, it mentions the FBI's foreign intelligence activities
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#274
That is not what that is saying. It is saying in the pursuit of domestic law enforcement the FBI
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#358
Once again, I've talked to CIA Agents and FBI Agents. When have you done so?
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#360
I see the CIA's and FBI's own published material. You have to be an idiot not to understand
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#361
And you are completely misinterpreting what you are reading. I have to ask...
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#362
You want to believe that, I'm sure, because it elevates The Great Hero in your eyes.
randome
Aug 2015
#69
Well, you see, rules are different for the sacred cows like Assange, Sanders and Greenwald.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#204
I am "dumber than a box of hair?" What an interesting insult. And yet....you still can't
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#249
I think the incredible responses that protect the privilege of this particular white man to rape
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#270
WikiLeaks didn't "disown him" -- as usual you are pissing in the thorny wind
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#427
But, but...but... Carl Rove cares very much what happens to Julian Assange!!!!
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#310
Your words were indeed clear; they are an awful example of misogyny
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#19
reorg.... here is an excerpt from the Assange legal case that proves Misanthrope is lying again.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#230
So provide your interpretation of what Assange said. Simple. But you refuse to do so
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#231
And I say bullshit to you. My answer to your "request" is contained in post 230
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#235
You are still using information from opinion sites who agree with you about your Assange claims.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#239
The problem you have is, Assange's attorney said these things. You can't explain that away. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#260
do you have any evidence to support this theory you have about these these women? nt
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#71
Okay...give us an "explanation why the guess may be correct." Or, evidence, proof, facts
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#91
It's all based on a cartoonish version of the CIA where Assange is their biggest national security
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#130
HiFiGuy is much closer to truth than you because you refuse to recognize historical patterns
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#175
Your name is so perfect for you, a slight variation of the word "misanthrope" which means
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#384
I agree with you this far HFG: this case should not be assumed to be primarily about rape charges.
leveymg
Aug 2015
#202
I am sure the rest of Democratic Underground would like to see your evidence posted. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#73
You dismissed the women out of hand, right at the start of your diatribe
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#29
The only villains in my hypothesis are the intelligence agencies and those who directed them
hifiguy
Aug 2015
#97
You ignore that your accusations are impossible; you accuse the women of lying
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#103
You're not supposed to talk about facts. You're supposed to indulge in wild conspiracy theories.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#133
Your accusations against Hifyguy are truly out of context of anything he is
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#219
Read the OP. It starts by denying the possibility that the women are telling the truth
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#221
It's because the OP won't even consider that the women could be telling the truth
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#281
You're weighing possibilities; the OP is declaring the rape charges must be false
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#317
No 'hypothesis' in the OP; 'only' about espionage and whistleblowing; not about the wmoen
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#326
It's vile that you think men mistreat women sexually as a matter of course
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#336
There is NOTHING in your highlighted post material that can be construed as a
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#388
Documentation? Yes, I linked to the report of the extradition hearing
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#390
He was on about the fact that he could tell what you wrote would be hidden because
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#234
Twisted Distortion and calling misogyny is absolutely OTT. You have no basis for that, NONE.
2banon
Aug 2015
#276
Of course you don't like the description of your misogynistic conspiracy theory
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#375
"True enough" you say, "and a history too" ??? Why the "NT"? Document your words
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#386
You continue to judge Julian Assange solely on alleged crimes for which he has not even been charged
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#377
As his lawyer said, he started having sex with the woman while she was asleep
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#378
You continue to judge Julian Assange solely on alleged crimes for which he has not even been charged
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#380
Assange managed to walk the streets of Great Britain free for 2 years while his appeal was going on
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#21
That kind of slow turnaround is so not what a rogue government or intel agency would do.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#67
It's fascinating how a certain segment of the left will promptly throw everyone under the bus to
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#85
white men of privilege need protection. what could be more authoritarian than that? nt
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#89
I tend to agree with your reasoning, but those points are very difficult to prove -
Maedhros
Aug 2015
#52
So what? The issue is criminalizing journalism for exposing government criminality.
Octafish
Aug 2015
#186
This information blows my mind. The notorious Luis Posada and Anna Ardin - alleged Assange accuser
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#367
Declare victory and scoot-your usual cop-out for not knowing squat on the subject. LOL, stevenleser.
Octafish
Aug 2015
#194
A google search on my name and Iraq will show I was on that long before you. No. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#195
Octafish knows WikiLeaks is a reporting entity, a journal, that reveals lies to the world.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#357
It's close to 2 a.m. on the east coast and I just saw your post #237 which blew my mind
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#265
As much a some here would like to believe that "they" would "do anything"...
brooklynite
Aug 2015
#93
You'll understand my reluctance to accept this airtight case without some actual evidence...
brooklynite
Aug 2015
#101
If the CIA had been engaged on the Assange issue, they would have had someone shoot him.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#125
No, I don't. Criminal implies against the law. The laws here would be international.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#163
I said that someone they identified as an actual national security threat would be shot dead
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#170
Yes, it's so terrible that I actually know what I am talking about. You've shamed me.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#208
".... SWEDEN, a nation that has stayed out of all the foreign entanglements...."
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#376
Thank you for having a highly functioning brain with the capacity to organize
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#155
it doesn't even have to pan out to taint his name permanently--one of those "you never CAN tell
MisterP
Aug 2015
#92
And in your link, there is nothing close to what you are alleging in the last 40 or so years.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#141
Have no idea why you would think that I would think you have a hangup about sex!
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#232
Saint Julian had his day (lasting a year and a half) in the UK courts and lost. Similarly,
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#251
You are wrong. He did NOT lose in the Swedish Courts and he hasn't even been charged for God's sake
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#256
He's been back and forth in the Swedish courts trying to get the warrant overturned,
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#257
A moment ago, you were telling me "He did NOT lose in the Swedish Courts"
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#266
You are right, he did lose his attempts to "overturn the outstanding arrest warrant"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#289
Assange left Sweden for the UK after the Swedish authorities repeatedly contacted his lawyer
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#290
To my knowledge, there is not any US indictment against Assange and so no US extradition request
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#333
Rove says he wants 'Criminal' Julian Assange 'Hunted Down And Grabbed And Put on Trial"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#370
Under European law, to extradite Assange to a third country from Sweden, after extradition
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#280
Manning could obviously be held to a much stricter standard than Assange. But news coverage,
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#285
Alleged rape was the cover story. See post number 286 to read about Carl Rove's involvement in this
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#287
Assange's apparent persecutory delusions do not gain credibility simply because various supporters
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#288
He is one of my Facebook friends and was nice enough to drop by at my request
davidpdx
Aug 2015
#325
He did not "evade" Sweden to avoid an interview. The prosecutor REFUSED to do one.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#330
Plenty of posters right here in this thread willing to illustrate your point for you.
pa28
Aug 2015
#308
Wow! What a comment! You didn't read anything in the swedish legal documents did you?
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#331
the only ones leaping are those who are screaming "liar liar" at the women who
geek tragedy
Aug 2015
#332
you have already prejudged the alleged victims to be scheming, evil liars and Assange
geek tragedy
Aug 2015
#340
Don't conflate the two incidents - the Steubenville victims were not political targets of Carl Rove
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#341
I'd take the Rove conspiracy angle more seriously if you spelled his name right
geek tragedy
Aug 2015
#342
that's a possibility, which is why there should be this thing called a 'trial'
geek tragedy
Aug 2015
#339
Assange was never given the chance to go to trial, beause he can't do so unless the prosecutor
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#344
So you don't believe in "diabolical legal ploys"? Good for your peace of mind perhaps, but
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#363
And perhaps one more. This one from Assange's attorney in an interview with DER SPIEGEL
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#420
Alan Dershowitz? I suspect his opinion is simply based on whatever is the most anti-Obama
Electric Monk
Aug 2015
#422