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OneGrassRoot

(23,943 posts)
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 05:07 PM Aug 2015

It's official: The Internet is Owned by White Dudes [View all]

Last edited Sat Oct 29, 2022, 07:29 AM - Edit history (7)

Disclaimer: I realize I make broad-brush statements below, and I do intend to write a more fleshed-out blog post about this with specific references and links, but the gist of it all is what I'm trying to convey here. It's official to me, the fact that white guys own the Internet. This may in essence be my first draft.

EDIT TO ADD FOR CLARITY: CliffsNotes Version

My point is about CULTURE: values, priorities. Young(ish) white dudes, even though they are not a monolith as no demographic group is, in general have different values and priorities. The Internet initially was pretty much a playground for young white male geeks.

That is the culture -- the values and priorities -- upon which the Internet was built and is infused in it even now. Even though the face of IT is changing, I'm speaking to the now ingrained culture and how that will take time to turn around.

I'm not focused, in this OP at least, on where VC goes nor on who has coding skills. (Even though VC definitely goes largely to men...and then of course some will then say only white men are generating the ideas. Most people are missing the entire point of this post.)

I absolutely believe that the lack of diversity at the very core, the very root, the creation of these ventures -- which are the new institutions of this modern era -- has contributed to the increasingly overtly disrespectful, often outright bigoted, racist and misogynistic culture.

Diversity and equality must to be part of the creation -- the foundation -- or else nothing is ever going to change. Not really. Not meaningfully.

* * *

As a 52-year-old woman who has been focused on exploring funding options for my online ventures over the last few years, I've come to realize how much the Internet is -- and, more importantly, always has been -- dominated by men. Usually younger men (or at least they were when they created whatever entity has made them millions or sometimes billions of dollars).

I don't mean the Internet is dominated by men as the users, as that has become a more level playing field in the last five years with women having an equal presence online, but as those who are creating the business entities themselves and thus profiting off of them. Even when the websites or apps are created with women being the target audience, the founders are men (Pinterest).

Specifically, fairly young white men.

Now, I'm not knocking white men. Nor am I personally criticizing the individual men who created the vast majority of the most successful websites/apps. I do not know them personally and they may be wonderful souls.

What I do know is that the life experience of a white man, IN GENERAL, is different from the life experience, in general, of men with black and brown skin, and it is a life experience that is very different from women, of any color. And while youth has a a lot to offer, especially in today's rapidly changing, wired world, there is also a need for wisdom and perspective borne of life experience.

I just did another search (I was immersed in this topic earlier this year before crises intervened) of the most popular sites (top 100 or so on Alexa) and apps, with the most traffic/usage. Disregarding the more programming-oriented and country-specific sites, I made a list of 30, including Facebook, twitter, Amazon, Pinterest, Wikepedia, reddit, Paypal, instragram, kickstarter, HuffPo. I also included sites liberals tend to prefer, like DailyKos and Salon. DU is included in my list as well.

(First, I did NOT know that HuffPo was actually created by Arianna and 3 other men, including ANDREW BREITBART!!! Wow, that explains a lot, eh?)

Except for Gawker Media (created by 6 men and 4 women) IN EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE THE CREATORS|FOUNDERS ARE ALL MEN, PREDOMINANTLY WHITE MEN with a smaller percentage of the men being Asian.

Aside from the lack of diversity in general and the concentration of "new" wealth in the hands of a specific demographic...continuing what has been the norm for ages...here is why this disturbs me:

I adore the Internet. So much good has been done yet I do not believe we have even scratched the surface of the altruistic potential. We can reach critical mass toward transformation (positive or negative) much faster now. I search for the good, but the nastiness -- the culture of the Internet as a whole -- inevitably gets in the way. Look at the comment section of nearly any site and you'll see what I mean. The misogyny, racism and other forms of bigotry is STRONG.

I am not blaming the founders of any of the many websites for this culture of hate. I highly doubt any of them set out to create or contribute to a Petri dish of suck, but there is another aspect I believe is at play in this culture as well: a strong libertarian and anarchist vibe. These traits/values are embodied by many of the founders of these most successful sites (successful by Wall Street standards). The tone of a company's culture is set early on and manifests on the front end as well as the back end of the business.

Free speech, hands off, individualism.

Again, please don't get me wrong -- free speech is a core value of democracy. But what happens when the most vicious of voices are all that are heard because they live to attack and troll and drown out (and drive away) voices of reason? This nasty online culture has influenced the larger societal discourse, and we've all noticed the growing inability for people to engage in respectful discussion. Even though I respect the role twitter plays in our world, I don't consider tweets back and forth meaningful conversation. I'm talking about ongoing, meaningful, respectful discussion. And, let's face it: There is very little distinction between "online" and "IRL" now. Online IS a significant aspect of our daily lives.

Of course, financial profit is the goal and drives everything. It often encourages the "hands off" policy or perhaps encourages a cultivation of nastiness by said businesses in order to bring more eyeballs to their content which equals mo' $$$, y'all. So, there's that.

Even the so-called Sharing Economy ventures -- Airbnb, Lyft and Uber -- were founded by fairly young, white men. DUer Eridani's OP about the Sharing Economy, and how it's basically another word for capitalism, prompted this most recent search and this post.

So while I can appreciate what these innovators and entrepreneurs have offered the world, and have no animosity toward men (young men, old men, white men, men of color...it matters not), I am struck by the fact that WHO has created the foundations of the spaces which are influencing our culture is, by far, younger white men.

I absolutely believe that the lack of diversity at the very core, the very root, the creation of these ventures, which are the new institutions of this modern era, has contributed to the increasingly overtly disrespectful, often outright bigoted, racist and misogynistic culture.

Diversity and equality must to be part of the creation -- the foundation -- or else nothing is ever going to change. Not really. Not meaningfully.



That's the change I'm trying to bring to the table, so if you know anyone who wants to support such a social enterprise, please send them my way.





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This is something to think about. LWolf Aug 2015 #1
what a great thought provoking post cali Aug 2015 #2
Anyone can create any kind of website. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #3
True... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #5
A couple of things... Xithras Aug 2015 #93
Thanks for such a thoughtful, detailed reply. OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #102
A new study showed investors tend to fund entrepreneurs who look like them.... JTFrog Aug 2015 #151
No surprise at all... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #152
I just wanted you to know that it's not all in your head... JTFrog Aug 2015 #153
Thanks for confirming that. OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #154
The only solution is for other people to create successful websites LittleBlue Aug 2015 #4
It's not even about coding knowledge... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #6
True LittleBlue Aug 2015 #7
Values and mission matter. OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #8
You frame your criticism in terms of race but ignore the elephant in the room which snagglepuss Aug 2015 #48
I don't ignore it -- I simply didn't flesh all aspects out in this OP... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #51
The person with coding knowledge *and* an idea is at an advantage. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #14
The media founders (HuffPo) had no technical expertise... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #16
The media founders of Huff Po brought capital. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #17
So? OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #18
i see the usual cave men have emerged CreekDog Aug 2015 #26
dammit... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #27
:) CreekDog Aug 2015 #29
Ahh, this must be that "ongoing, meaningful, respectful discussion" mentioned in the main post. Jester Messiah Aug 2015 #101
You catch on quick. The poster to whom you are replying is least likely to embody it. nt lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #116
It is the amount of respect due a person CreekDog Aug 2015 #117
Is stalking me a passtime or a pathology? n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #119
Jeff, stalking would require that person actually follow you- not conversing with others. bettyellen Aug 2015 #124
We *can* all read. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #126
I don't think you have offered anything relevant here other than insisting that learning code is bettyellen Aug 2015 #139
It's not stalking when i participate in gender inequality threads CreekDog Aug 2015 #129
Nothing some quotas wont fix GummyBearz Aug 2015 #9
Jezebel was founded by a woman? The best vegan recipe websites are all women. KittyWampus Aug 2015 #10
Jezebel is part of Gawker Media... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #11
Yep and Those Young White Dudes Are Literally Kicking Old, Poor, People of Color Out of Housing daredtowork Aug 2015 #12
dayum... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #13
This is sort of like debate about the pay gap. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #15
I don't even know how to respond to that first line... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #19
Don't feed them. n/t JTFrog Aug 2015 #34
... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #35
Sad but true. JTFrog Aug 2015 #36
And that is PRECISELY the culture of which I speak... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #37
"Change will only come from underrepresented people changing their choices and priorities," YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #64
That's the most farcical misinterpretation of something I've ever seen. sibelian Aug 2015 #90
I'm at a loss, and the OP doesn't propose, how to fix the problem statement. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #118
If you're referring to my OP as impotent griping... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #121
I'm aware that coding knowledge isn't your point, but it must be. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #125
I'm trying to understand your point... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #131
This white dude sees what you're saying - freemay20 Aug 2015 #20
that was also a Bay Area headline a while back: something like "tech companies even whiter MisterP Aug 2015 #21
k&r Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #22
and the cave men are in here harassing her CreekDog Aug 2015 #28
If only they would make better choices and priorities. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #38
it's fascinating that the same people who notice they are shut out from higher level opportunities bettyellen Aug 2015 #57
+1. For all-too-many straight white dudes, personal responsibility is for other people YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #66
And that mindset is built in to Internet culture OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #71
I agree strongly, with all of this YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #75
Well said... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #78
Interesting thoughts- thanks OGR! bettyellen Aug 2015 #92
I really hope you're saying that ironically. Jester Messiah Aug 2015 #100
It's actually a reference to post #15... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #105
Sounds more like your beef is with capitalism in general davidn3600 Aug 2015 #23
Again, missing the point... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #25
Great post malaise Aug 2015 #24
"Diversity and equality must to be part of the creation" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #30
You DO realize... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #31
You DO realize... Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #32
I actually do not believe that is the case... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #33
Actually you're wrong....the lack of diversity means they aren't getting the best CreekDog Aug 2015 #39
"Lacking diversity means they lack the dimensionality to appeal to all facets of the marketplace." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #40
Maybe the obscene consumerism... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #41
Then trudge off to Mexico, China, Taiwan, etc. and scold them for their lack of diversity. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #42
Oy...try to have a good day. n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #43
I'm still curious to know how we hand-wave diversity into existence in an environment that is Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #44
Okay, I'll bite... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #50
In the tech world where the biggest entrepeneurs started in their college dorms? Yes. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #54
The point was about the inception of the marketing ideas - not where their factories are, LOL. bettyellen Aug 2015 #112
Except when you're grousing about hiring practices, apparently. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #114
attempted derail- because the marketing is not happening overseas. DERP. bettyellen Aug 2015 #146
most sites listed are not "salty snacks and skinny jeans" but editorial comment and fuck yes they bettyellen Aug 2015 #46
^^^^ THIS n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #49
How come everybody acts as if the consumer has no say in any of this? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #53
LOL, you are pretending that hiring and funding decision are based on merit? How many studies have bettyellen Aug 2015 #56
Google and Facebook were started by college kids in their dorms. What bias transpired in their Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #58
You think people are magically free of bias when they are in school or something? Seriously? bettyellen Aug 2015 #59
Well, you seem to lugging around a few of your own but I'm curious to know if you can Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #60
acknowledging systemic bias against women and POC is not my "bias". it's been studied and proven bettyellen Aug 2015 #70
Your argument basically amounts to little more than calling the companies cited in the OP Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #82
LOL, it is true of the majority of companies in our culture, unless you argue that white men are bettyellen Aug 2015 #83
You're condemning people by their skin color and gender, not evidence. That's bigotry defined. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #86
By your measure no one could discuss our sexist and racist past without being a bigot. Nope. bettyellen Aug 2015 #87
Getting rid of sexism and racism is a moral duty but if you're going to accuse specific people of a Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #88
Not going to make this sandwich for you. You're free to live in ignorance or do your own research. bettyellen Aug 2015 #95
You're the one accusing the companies in the OP of sexist/racist behavior. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #98
I have actually done a lot of reading on the hiring practices and corporate culture at most of those bettyellen Aug 2015 #103
Making the great assumption that you have, in fact, studied these companies Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #109
In other word, you don't know what I am talking about, and are not interested in finding out... bettyellen Aug 2015 #110
There is no "in other words" I'll say it flat-out -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #111
Baloney. Malarky. Entitled bullshit. Do your own research if you are not up to speed, because you bettyellen Aug 2015 #113
That which is asserted without proof may be dismissed without proof. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #115
None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see. bettyellen Aug 2015 #122
I've seen proof that everything you asserted is patently false. Do you own research for that. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #127
Most of the tech companies have a lot of POC 1939 Aug 2015 #149
And very very few blacks, latinos and women. bettyellen Aug 2015 #150
In reading about this issue in depth yesterday... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #61
wasn't FB conceived so that male students could checkout pics and info on new women on campus? bettyellen Aug 2015 #94
That wouldn't surprise me at all... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #97
Ick yes- it is worse than I thought. Evolved from a "hot or not" site that used pics of fellow bettyellen Aug 2015 #104
Ick is right! OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #106
When you control what is on the shelf tkmorris Aug 2015 #63
It makes for good sci-fi but the fact is most producers just want to show a profit so they Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #65
+1. YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #69
But at the creation stage 1939 Aug 2015 #45
Do you actually believe this? That is pretty sad and self defeating. And ridiculous. bettyellen Aug 2015 #47
And there are lots of women who appreciate and love nerdy men YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #72
I don't disparage any of the geeky, nerdy, young dudes... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #52
"All of a sudden, they are making big bucks and everyone says 'why weren't we invited?'." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #62
that's more like an MRA trope- nerd gets rich so he can get revenge on those football players and bettyellen Aug 2015 #91
You are just desperate to mischaracterise whatever you cannot refute. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #96
By that logic, FOX News and Clear Channel-owned radio stations are just fine and dandy YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #68
it's interesting how their root argument is that basically culture doesn't exist or matter, LOL. bettyellen Aug 2015 #74
It's the view of societies as an aggregate of atomistic, self-contained individuals YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #76
How could they be conditioned if they didn't first choose the means of conveyance? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #79
Interesting thoughts! You will get a lot of blow back from dudes who don't care basically pretending bettyellen Aug 2015 #55
You're not the only one - Lilith Rising Aug 2015 #73
The powerful and privileged don't want to share power and access to resources YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #67
Is there a specific change you are seeking, or is this more of an "observational" post? jeff47 Aug 2015 #77
Remember Wishadoo!? OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #80
The culture shifts as the people in the pool shift jeff47 Aug 2015 #84
Gotcha... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #85
Interesting - but you are limiting this to the "how to create" aspect, which as you say- bettyellen Aug 2015 #89
Yep, my point is more of how we got here and how we are very slowly climbing out. jeff47 Aug 2015 #99
what blows my mind is that most people will admit that most businesses do not function as bettyellen Aug 2015 #128
That is an outstanding observation. Idiotic decisions by exectives and mangers are SOP. greatlaurel Aug 2015 #138
Yet I have seen many jump in here pretending it doesn't happen when a woman says it does... bettyellen Aug 2015 #144
An unfortunate OP Android3.14 Aug 2015 #81
There are plenty of people out there trying to bring some diversity to tech. KamaAina Aug 2015 #107
Absolutely... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #108
This is one of the most outstanding posts on DU for a long time. greatlaurel Aug 2015 #120
Thank YOU... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #123
Thanks! greatlaurel Aug 2015 #140
honestly... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #141
Absolutely this. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #134
Aha! lol OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #142
If your choices have always led to relative success, and you've never thought about it, Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #143
Silly you...us... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #145
Meritocracy is just a fancy way of saying good ole boy network. Thank you for your insights. greatlaurel Aug 2015 #147
If you are waiting for young white men to "create a culture" for you... Romulox Aug 2015 #130
I have no desire to stop white men, or men in general... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #132
Then you need to direct your anger inward. It's *your* failure to create the culture you want. Romulox Aug 2015 #133
I'm actually not angry, not in my OP nor now... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #135
You call out others for what you yourself have not done. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #136
Please, do tell... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #137
actually all the anger and hostility here is coming from you, LOL. bettyellen Aug 2015 #148
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