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Showing Original Post only (View all)It's official: The Internet is Owned by White Dudes [View all]
Last edited Sat Oct 29, 2022, 07:29 AM - Edit history (7)
Disclaimer: I realize I make broad-brush statements below, and I do intend to write a more fleshed-out blog post about this with specific references and links, but the gist of it all is what I'm trying to convey here. It's official to me, the fact that white guys own the Internet. This may in essence be my first draft.EDIT TO ADD FOR CLARITY: CliffsNotes Version
My point is about CULTURE: values, priorities. Young(ish) white dudes, even though they are not a monolith as no demographic group is, in general have different values and priorities. The Internet initially was pretty much a playground for young white male geeks.
That is the culture -- the values and priorities -- upon which the Internet was built and is infused in it even now. Even though the face of IT is changing, I'm speaking to the now ingrained culture and how that will take time to turn around.
I'm not focused, in this OP at least, on where VC goes nor on who has coding skills. (Even though VC definitely goes largely to men...and then of course some will then say only white men are generating the ideas. Most people are missing the entire point of this post.)
I absolutely believe that the lack of diversity at the very core, the very root, the creation of these ventures -- which are the new institutions of this modern era -- has contributed to the increasingly overtly disrespectful, often outright bigoted, racist and misogynistic culture.
Diversity and equality must to be part of the creation -- the foundation -- or else nothing is ever going to change. Not really. Not meaningfully.
* * *
As a 52-year-old woman who has been focused on exploring funding options for my online ventures over the last few years, I've come to realize how much the Internet is -- and, more importantly, always has been -- dominated by men. Usually younger men (or at least they were when they created whatever entity has made them millions or sometimes billions of dollars).
I don't mean the Internet is dominated by men as the users, as that has become a more level playing field in the last five years with women having an equal presence online, but as those who are creating the business entities themselves and thus profiting off of them. Even when the websites or apps are created with women being the target audience, the founders are men (Pinterest).
Specifically, fairly young white men.
Now, I'm not knocking white men. Nor am I personally criticizing the individual men who created the vast majority of the most successful websites/apps. I do not know them personally and they may be wonderful souls.
What I do know is that the life experience of a white man, IN GENERAL, is different from the life experience, in general, of men with black and brown skin, and it is a life experience that is very different from women, of any color. And while youth has a a lot to offer, especially in today's rapidly changing, wired world, there is also a need for wisdom and perspective borne of life experience.
I just did another search (I was immersed in this topic earlier this year before crises intervened) of the most popular sites (top 100 or so on Alexa) and apps, with the most traffic/usage. Disregarding the more programming-oriented and country-specific sites, I made a list of 30, including Facebook, twitter, Amazon, Pinterest, Wikepedia, reddit, Paypal, instragram, kickstarter, HuffPo. I also included sites liberals tend to prefer, like DailyKos and Salon. DU is included in my list as well.
(First, I did NOT know that HuffPo was actually created by Arianna and 3 other men, including ANDREW BREITBART!!! Wow, that explains a lot, eh?)
Except for Gawker Media (created by 6 men and 4 women) IN EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE THE CREATORS|FOUNDERS ARE ALL MEN, PREDOMINANTLY WHITE MEN with a smaller percentage of the men being Asian.
Aside from the lack of diversity in general and the concentration of "new" wealth in the hands of a specific demographic...continuing what has been the norm for ages...here is why this disturbs me:
I adore the Internet. So much good has been done yet I do not believe we have even scratched the surface of the altruistic potential. We can reach critical mass toward transformation (positive or negative) much faster now. I search for the good, but the nastiness -- the culture of the Internet as a whole -- inevitably gets in the way. Look at the comment section of nearly any site and you'll see what I mean. The misogyny, racism and other forms of bigotry is STRONG.
I am not blaming the founders of any of the many websites for this culture of hate. I highly doubt any of them set out to create or contribute to a Petri dish of suck, but there is another aspect I believe is at play in this culture as well: a strong libertarian and anarchist vibe. These traits/values are embodied by many of the founders of these most successful sites (successful by Wall Street standards). The tone of a company's culture is set early on and manifests on the front end as well as the back end of the business.
Free speech, hands off, individualism.
Again, please don't get me wrong -- free speech is a core value of democracy. But what happens when the most vicious of voices are all that are heard because they live to attack and troll and drown out (and drive away) voices of reason? This nasty online culture has influenced the larger societal discourse, and we've all noticed the growing inability for people to engage in respectful discussion. Even though I respect the role twitter plays in our world, I don't consider tweets back and forth meaningful conversation. I'm talking about ongoing, meaningful, respectful discussion. And, let's face it: There is very little distinction between "online" and "IRL" now. Online IS a significant aspect of our daily lives.
Of course, financial profit is the goal and drives everything. It often encourages the "hands off" policy or perhaps encourages a cultivation of nastiness by said businesses in order to bring more eyeballs to their content which equals mo' $$$, y'all. So, there's that.
Even the so-called Sharing Economy ventures -- Airbnb, Lyft and Uber -- were founded by fairly young, white men. DUer Eridani's OP about the Sharing Economy, and how it's basically another word for capitalism, prompted this most recent search and this post.
So while I can appreciate what these innovators and entrepreneurs have offered the world, and have no animosity toward men (young men, old men, white men, men of color...it matters not), I am struck by the fact that WHO has created the foundations of the spaces which are influencing our culture is, by far, younger white men.
I absolutely believe that the lack of diversity at the very core, the very root, the creation of these ventures, which are the new institutions of this modern era, has contributed to the increasingly overtly disrespectful, often outright bigoted, racist and misogynistic culture.
Diversity and equality must to be part of the creation -- the foundation -- or else nothing is ever going to change. Not really. Not meaningfully.
That's the change I'm trying to bring to the table, so if you know anyone who wants to support such a social enterprise, please send them my way.
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You frame your criticism in terms of race but ignore the elephant in the room which
snagglepuss
Aug 2015
#48
Ahh, this must be that "ongoing, meaningful, respectful discussion" mentioned in the main post.
Jester Messiah
Aug 2015
#101
You catch on quick. The poster to whom you are replying is least likely to embody it. nt
lumberjack_jeff
Aug 2015
#116
Jeff, stalking would require that person actually follow you- not conversing with others.
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#124
I don't think you have offered anything relevant here other than insisting that learning code is
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#139
Jezebel was founded by a woman? The best vegan recipe websites are all women.
KittyWampus
Aug 2015
#10
Yep and Those Young White Dudes Are Literally Kicking Old, Poor, People of Color Out of Housing
daredtowork
Aug 2015
#12
"Change will only come from underrepresented people changing their choices and priorities,"
YoungDemCA
Aug 2015
#64
I'm at a loss, and the OP doesn't propose, how to fix the problem statement.
lumberjack_jeff
Aug 2015
#118
that was also a Bay Area headline a while back: something like "tech companies even whiter
MisterP
Aug 2015
#21
it's fascinating that the same people who notice they are shut out from higher level opportunities
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#57
+1. For all-too-many straight white dudes, personal responsibility is for other people
YoungDemCA
Aug 2015
#66
Actually you're wrong....the lack of diversity means they aren't getting the best
CreekDog
Aug 2015
#39
"Lacking diversity means they lack the dimensionality to appeal to all facets of the marketplace."
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#40
Then trudge off to Mexico, China, Taiwan, etc. and scold them for their lack of diversity.
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#42
I'm still curious to know how we hand-wave diversity into existence in an environment that is
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#44
In the tech world where the biggest entrepeneurs started in their college dorms? Yes.
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#54
The point was about the inception of the marketing ideas - not where their factories are, LOL.
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#112
most sites listed are not "salty snacks and skinny jeans" but editorial comment and fuck yes they
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#46
LOL, you are pretending that hiring and funding decision are based on merit? How many studies have
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#56
Google and Facebook were started by college kids in their dorms. What bias transpired in their
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#58
You think people are magically free of bias when they are in school or something? Seriously?
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#59
Well, you seem to lugging around a few of your own but I'm curious to know if you can
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#60
acknowledging systemic bias against women and POC is not my "bias". it's been studied and proven
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#70
Your argument basically amounts to little more than calling the companies cited in the OP
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#82
LOL, it is true of the majority of companies in our culture, unless you argue that white men are
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#83
You're condemning people by their skin color and gender, not evidence. That's bigotry defined.
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#86
By your measure no one could discuss our sexist and racist past without being a bigot. Nope.
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#87
Getting rid of sexism and racism is a moral duty but if you're going to accuse specific people of a
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#88
Not going to make this sandwich for you. You're free to live in ignorance or do your own research.
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#95
You're the one accusing the companies in the OP of sexist/racist behavior.
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#98
I have actually done a lot of reading on the hiring practices and corporate culture at most of those
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#103
Making the great assumption that you have, in fact, studied these companies
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#109
In other word, you don't know what I am talking about, and are not interested in finding out...
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#110
Baloney. Malarky. Entitled bullshit. Do your own research if you are not up to speed, because you
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#113
None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see.
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#122
I've seen proof that everything you asserted is patently false. Do you own research for that.
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#127
wasn't FB conceived so that male students could checkout pics and info on new women on campus?
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#94
Ick yes- it is worse than I thought. Evolved from a "hot or not" site that used pics of fellow
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#104
It makes for good sci-fi but the fact is most producers just want to show a profit so they
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#65
Do you actually believe this? That is pretty sad and self defeating. And ridiculous.
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#47
"All of a sudden, they are making big bucks and everyone says 'why weren't we invited?'."
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#62
that's more like an MRA trope- nerd gets rich so he can get revenge on those football players and
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#91
By that logic, FOX News and Clear Channel-owned radio stations are just fine and dandy
YoungDemCA
Aug 2015
#68
it's interesting how their root argument is that basically culture doesn't exist or matter, LOL.
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#74
It's the view of societies as an aggregate of atomistic, self-contained individuals
YoungDemCA
Aug 2015
#76
How could they be conditioned if they didn't first choose the means of conveyance?
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2015
#79
Interesting thoughts! You will get a lot of blow back from dudes who don't care basically pretending
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#55
The powerful and privileged don't want to share power and access to resources
YoungDemCA
Aug 2015
#67
Is there a specific change you are seeking, or is this more of an "observational" post?
jeff47
Aug 2015
#77
Interesting - but you are limiting this to the "how to create" aspect, which as you say-
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#89
Yep, my point is more of how we got here and how we are very slowly climbing out.
jeff47
Aug 2015
#99
what blows my mind is that most people will admit that most businesses do not function as
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#128
That is an outstanding observation. Idiotic decisions by exectives and mangers are SOP.
greatlaurel
Aug 2015
#138
Yet I have seen many jump in here pretending it doesn't happen when a woman says it does...
bettyellen
Aug 2015
#144
If your choices have always led to relative success, and you've never thought about it,
Starry Messenger
Aug 2015
#143
Meritocracy is just a fancy way of saying good ole boy network. Thank you for your insights.
greatlaurel
Aug 2015
#147