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107. There are plenty of people out there trying to bring some diversity to tech.

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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:30 PM

Aug 2015

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It's official: The Internet is Owned by White Dudes [View all] OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 OP

This is something to think about. LWolf Aug 2015 #1

what a great thought provoking post cali Aug 2015 #2

Anyone can create any kind of website. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #3

True... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #5

A couple of things... Xithras Aug 2015 #93

Thanks for such a thoughtful, detailed reply. OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #102

A new study showed investors tend to fund entrepreneurs who look like them.... JTFrog Aug 2015 #151

No surprise at all... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #152

I just wanted you to know that it's not all in your head... JTFrog Aug 2015 #153

Thanks for confirming that. OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #154

The only solution is for other people to create successful websites LittleBlue Aug 2015 #4

It's not even about coding knowledge... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #6

True LittleBlue Aug 2015 #7

Values and mission matter. OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #8

You frame your criticism in terms of race but ignore the elephant in the room which snagglepuss Aug 2015 #48

I don't ignore it -- I simply didn't flesh all aspects out in this OP... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #51

The person with coding knowledge *and* an idea is at an advantage. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #14

The media founders (HuffPo) had no technical expertise... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #16

The media founders of Huff Po brought capital. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #17

So? OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #18

i see the usual cave men have emerged CreekDog Aug 2015 #26

dammit... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #27

:) CreekDog Aug 2015 #29

Ahh, this must be that "ongoing, meaningful, respectful discussion" mentioned in the main post. Jester Messiah Aug 2015 #101

You catch on quick. The poster to whom you are replying is least likely to embody it. nt lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #116

It is the amount of respect due a person CreekDog Aug 2015 #117

Is stalking me a passtime or a pathology? n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #119

Jeff, stalking would require that person actually follow you- not conversing with others. bettyellen Aug 2015 #124

We *can* all read. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #126

I don't think you have offered anything relevant here other than insisting that learning code is bettyellen Aug 2015 #139

It's not stalking when i participate in gender inequality threads CreekDog Aug 2015 #129

Nothing some quotas wont fix GummyBearz Aug 2015 #9

Jezebel was founded by a woman? The best vegan recipe websites are all women. KittyWampus Aug 2015 #10

Jezebel is part of Gawker Media... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #11

Yep and Those Young White Dudes Are Literally Kicking Old, Poor, People of Color Out of Housing daredtowork Aug 2015 #12

dayum... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #13

This is sort of like debate about the pay gap. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #15

I don't even know how to respond to that first line... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #19

Don't feed them. n/t JTFrog Aug 2015 #34

... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #35

Sad but true. JTFrog Aug 2015 #36

And that is PRECISELY the culture of which I speak... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #37

"Change will only come from underrepresented people changing their choices and priorities," YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #64

That's the most farcical misinterpretation of something I've ever seen. sibelian Aug 2015 #90

I'm at a loss, and the OP doesn't propose, how to fix the problem statement. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #118

If you're referring to my OP as impotent griping... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #121

I'm aware that coding knowledge isn't your point, but it must be. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #125

I'm trying to understand your point... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #131

This white dude sees what you're saying - freemay20 Aug 2015 #20

that was also a Bay Area headline a while back: something like "tech companies even whiter MisterP Aug 2015 #21

k&r Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #22

and the cave men are in here harassing her CreekDog Aug 2015 #28

If only they would make better choices and priorities. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #38

it's fascinating that the same people who notice they are shut out from higher level opportunities bettyellen Aug 2015 #57

+1. For all-too-many straight white dudes, personal responsibility is for other people YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #66

And that mindset is built in to Internet culture OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #71

I agree strongly, with all of this YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #75

Well said... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #78

Interesting thoughts- thanks OGR! bettyellen Aug 2015 #92

I really hope you're saying that ironically. Jester Messiah Aug 2015 #100

It's actually a reference to post #15... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #105

Sounds more like your beef is with capitalism in general davidn3600 Aug 2015 #23

Again, missing the point... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #25

Great post malaise Aug 2015 #24

"Diversity and equality must to be part of the creation" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #30

You DO realize... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #31

You DO realize... Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #32

I actually do not believe that is the case... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #33

Actually you're wrong....the lack of diversity means they aren't getting the best CreekDog Aug 2015 #39

"Lacking diversity means they lack the dimensionality to appeal to all facets of the marketplace." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #40

Maybe the obscene consumerism... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #41

Then trudge off to Mexico, China, Taiwan, etc. and scold them for their lack of diversity. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #42

Oy...try to have a good day. n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #43

I'm still curious to know how we hand-wave diversity into existence in an environment that is Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #44

Okay, I'll bite... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #50

In the tech world where the biggest entrepeneurs started in their college dorms? Yes. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #54

The point was about the inception of the marketing ideas - not where their factories are, LOL. bettyellen Aug 2015 #112

Except when you're grousing about hiring practices, apparently. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #114

attempted derail- because the marketing is not happening overseas. DERP. bettyellen Aug 2015 #146

most sites listed are not "salty snacks and skinny jeans" but editorial comment and fuck yes they bettyellen Aug 2015 #46

^^^^ THIS n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #49

How come everybody acts as if the consumer has no say in any of this? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #53

LOL, you are pretending that hiring and funding decision are based on merit? How many studies have bettyellen Aug 2015 #56

Google and Facebook were started by college kids in their dorms. What bias transpired in their Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #58

You think people are magically free of bias when they are in school or something? Seriously? bettyellen Aug 2015 #59

Well, you seem to lugging around a few of your own but I'm curious to know if you can Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #60

acknowledging systemic bias against women and POC is not my "bias". it's been studied and proven bettyellen Aug 2015 #70

Your argument basically amounts to little more than calling the companies cited in the OP Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #82

LOL, it is true of the majority of companies in our culture, unless you argue that white men are bettyellen Aug 2015 #83

You're condemning people by their skin color and gender, not evidence. That's bigotry defined. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #86

By your measure no one could discuss our sexist and racist past without being a bigot. Nope. bettyellen Aug 2015 #87

Getting rid of sexism and racism is a moral duty but if you're going to accuse specific people of a Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #88

Not going to make this sandwich for you. You're free to live in ignorance or do your own research. bettyellen Aug 2015 #95

You're the one accusing the companies in the OP of sexist/racist behavior. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #98

I have actually done a lot of reading on the hiring practices and corporate culture at most of those bettyellen Aug 2015 #103

Making the great assumption that you have, in fact, studied these companies Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #109

In other word, you don't know what I am talking about, and are not interested in finding out... bettyellen Aug 2015 #110

There is no "in other words" I'll say it flat-out -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #111

Baloney. Malarky. Entitled bullshit. Do your own research if you are not up to speed, because you bettyellen Aug 2015 #113

That which is asserted without proof may be dismissed without proof. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #115

None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see. bettyellen Aug 2015 #122

I've seen proof that everything you asserted is patently false. Do you own research for that. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #127

Most of the tech companies have a lot of POC 1939 Aug 2015 #149

And very very few blacks, latinos and women. bettyellen Aug 2015 #150

In reading about this issue in depth yesterday... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #61

wasn't FB conceived so that male students could checkout pics and info on new women on campus? bettyellen Aug 2015 #94

That wouldn't surprise me at all... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #97

Ick yes- it is worse than I thought. Evolved from a "hot or not" site that used pics of fellow bettyellen Aug 2015 #104

Ick is right! OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #106

When you control what is on the shelf tkmorris Aug 2015 #63

It makes for good sci-fi but the fact is most producers just want to show a profit so they Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #65

+1. YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #69

But at the creation stage 1939 Aug 2015 #45

Do you actually believe this? That is pretty sad and self defeating. And ridiculous. bettyellen Aug 2015 #47

And there are lots of women who appreciate and love nerdy men YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #72

I don't disparage any of the geeky, nerdy, young dudes... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #52

"All of a sudden, they are making big bucks and everyone says 'why weren't we invited?'." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #62

that's more like an MRA trope- nerd gets rich so he can get revenge on those football players and bettyellen Aug 2015 #91

You are just desperate to mischaracterise whatever you cannot refute. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #96

By that logic, FOX News and Clear Channel-owned radio stations are just fine and dandy YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #68

it's interesting how their root argument is that basically culture doesn't exist or matter, LOL. bettyellen Aug 2015 #74

It's the view of societies as an aggregate of atomistic, self-contained individuals YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #76

How could they be conditioned if they didn't first choose the means of conveyance? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #79

Interesting thoughts! You will get a lot of blow back from dudes who don't care basically pretending bettyellen Aug 2015 #55

You're not the only one - Lilith Rising Aug 2015 #73

The powerful and privileged don't want to share power and access to resources YoungDemCA Aug 2015 #67

Is there a specific change you are seeking, or is this more of an "observational" post? jeff47 Aug 2015 #77

Remember Wishadoo!? OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #80

The culture shifts as the people in the pool shift jeff47 Aug 2015 #84

Gotcha... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #85

Interesting - but you are limiting this to the "how to create" aspect, which as you say- bettyellen Aug 2015 #89

Yep, my point is more of how we got here and how we are very slowly climbing out. jeff47 Aug 2015 #99

what blows my mind is that most people will admit that most businesses do not function as bettyellen Aug 2015 #128

That is an outstanding observation. Idiotic decisions by exectives and mangers are SOP. greatlaurel Aug 2015 #138

Yet I have seen many jump in here pretending it doesn't happen when a woman says it does... bettyellen Aug 2015 #144

An unfortunate OP Android3.14 Aug 2015 #81

There are plenty of people out there trying to bring some diversity to tech. KamaAina Aug 2015 #107

Absolutely... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #108

This is one of the most outstanding posts on DU for a long time. greatlaurel Aug 2015 #120

Thank YOU... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #123

Thanks! greatlaurel Aug 2015 #140

honestly... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #141

Absolutely this. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #134

Aha! lol OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #142

If your choices have always led to relative success, and you've never thought about it, Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #143

Silly you...us... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #145

Meritocracy is just a fancy way of saying good ole boy network. Thank you for your insights. greatlaurel Aug 2015 #147

If you are waiting for young white men to "create a culture" for you... Romulox Aug 2015 #130

I have no desire to stop white men, or men in general... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #132

Then you need to direct your anger inward. It's *your* failure to create the culture you want. Romulox Aug 2015 #133

I'm actually not angry, not in my OP nor now... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #135

You call out others for what you yourself have not done. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #136

Please, do tell... OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #137

actually all the anger and hostility here is coming from you, LOL. bettyellen Aug 2015 #148