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Lancero

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35. Edited this into the post a bit ago
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:56 PM
Aug 2015
http://journal-neo.org/2013/06/10/the-korean-war-and-the-peace-treaty-issue/

For a quick look, here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Armistice_Agreement#United_States_abrogation_of_paragraph_13.28d.29

For a more longer look, this - http://www.japanfocus.org/-Lee-Jae_Bong/3053/article.html

The Pentagon claimed that North Korea had introduced by early 1956 some 450 fighter planes into North Korea, of which over 250 were jet aircraft, and that it was a matter of urgency to replace obsolete weapons and equipment used by the U.S.F.K. and South Korean forces. They proposed two ways to introduce new weapons, including nuclear and other materiel into South Korea. One was the temporary suspension of the armistice agreement, and the other was the reinterpretation of paragraph 13(d) of the agreement. The UNC also iterated the need to replace obsolete weapons in South Korea through a more 'flexible' interpretation of the relevant clause.

...Although the Pentagon acknowledged that evidence to back up raw intelligence reports on the physical existence of nuclear weapons or its delivery systems in North Korea did not exist, it contended that new weapons and equipment had been introduced after the ceasefire and that it might not be long before delivery systems for nuclear weapons entered the communist nation.

Nevertheless, at a June 1956 meeting of the Military Armistice Commission at Panmunjom, the U.S.F.K. and UNC issued a statement detailing 'alleged' North Korean violations of paragraph 13(d) of the armistice agreement and indicating that the UNC would no longer consider itself bound by that paragraph until such time as the relative military balance has been restored and North Korea has demonstrated its willingness to comply with the terms of the armistice. On the heels of the expulsion of the NNSC inspection teams in June 1956, the U.S. had abrogated the very clause that prevented it from deploying nuclear weapons in South Korea.


The NNSC was the group meant to monitor both sides to ensure no new weapons were introduced. The UNC alledged that NK had new weapons and pretty much forced out their monitor teams, telling them to go and look into N. Korea harder because they are hiding new toys somewhere. Well, guess what we did right after that?

Yep. Christmas time, new toys!

The NNSC later pulled out of NK since they were not allowed back in to monitor SK, realizing that the only reason they weren't let back in was because one side was playing dirty - Since one side had no intention of staying to the agreements, they felt no need to hold the other side to them pretty much.

As for the 'They had new weapons in in early 1956..." comment, well...

The U.S. Department of Defense began weighing the option of deploying atomic weapons in South Korea around January 1956 at the latest. In a joint meeting of State and Defense Department officials on January 6, 1956, Maxwell Taylor, the U.S. Army Chief of Staff, said that new tanks and new types of artillery would be introduced into Korea if it were not for paragraph 13(d) of the armistice agreement, and in particular, mentioned the possibility of introducing Honest John missiles that could be mounted with atomic cannons and nuclear weapons. Also, the Commander-in-Chief of the UNC (CINCUNC) Lyman Lemnitzer sent a telegram dated January 30, 1956 to the Department of the Army in which he suggested that it was highly desirable for the U.S.F.K. to possess weapons with atomic delivery capability in order to alleviate the imbalance of strength between the opposing forces in Korea.


We were trying to get new weapons in at the same time, or even before.

Combine this with the unproven allegations made against NK, that we used to justify ignoring the armstice, well... If it talks like a duck and walks like a duck...

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In a New York minute (eom) HassleCat Aug 2015 #1
...but they won't brooklynite Aug 2015 #2
The yearly mutual threats keep the fear level up...good for controlling both populations. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #19
Ummm, we might not have s choice... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #3
No you haven't GP6971 Aug 2015 #5
I thought so, but since I haven't been back... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #9
Forgotten War. So true GP6971 Aug 2015 #15
USAF... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #18
Son Tan shopping!! GP6971 Aug 2015 #22
o..m..g... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #34
the Viking Club... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #36
Plus Korean bands trying to sing GP6971 Aug 2015 #42
About as bad as the Vietnamese trying to emulate American rock bands. GGJohn Aug 2015 #43
Didn't hit Vietnam, GP6971 Aug 2015 #44
Yep. GGJohn Aug 2015 #45
I heard that In Korea in the 60s and 70s GP6971 Aug 2015 #46
LOL!! GGJohn Aug 2015 #47
I preferred OB GP6971 Aug 2015 #41
Of course GP6971 Aug 2015 #4
Yes. We have 35,000 troops there which IS the ROK defense plan jberryhill Aug 2015 #6
Slight correction GP6971 Aug 2015 #8
Actually it is down to 28,500 troops in Korea. davidpdx Aug 2015 #53
We have troops just south of the demilitarized zone. If the North invades the south we are stevenleser Aug 2015 #7
A 2nd Disvision Combat Brigade Team and 4th Squadron, 7th Cavalry GP6971 Aug 2015 #12
Not sure but I think the Chinese would hifiguy Aug 2015 #10
Especially considering their trade with the South. GGJohn Aug 2015 #23
Nope. Big-time trade with China hifiguy Aug 2015 #30
Brilliantly riotous: Kim Jong Cartman! (n/m) PJMcK Aug 2015 #62
They won't. Gman Aug 2015 #11
Yes, we go all in. GOLGO 13 Aug 2015 #13
South Korea has nukes AngryAmish Aug 2015 #16
So will Seoul if it comes to that GP6971 Aug 2015 #27
Any idea what kind of counterbattery capability the ROK / US has? MicaelS Aug 2015 #50
No they don't. GP6971 Aug 2015 #32
No, South Korea does not have nukes davidpdx Aug 2015 #54
We already are involved, GGJohn Aug 2015 #14
THIS! yuiyoshida Aug 2015 #60
Sadly, we will. Lancero Aug 2015 #17
That's bullshit. GGJohn Aug 2015 #20
Considering that the US decided to say fuck it to paragraph 13d of the Armistice? Lancero Aug 2015 #25
Do you have a link? GP6971 Aug 2015 #29
Edited this into the post a bit ago Lancero Aug 2015 #35
Thanks! GP6971 Aug 2015 #38
To expand on this a bit... Lancero Aug 2015 #51
Thanks!! GP6971 Aug 2015 #52
China would invade long before we would. onehandle Aug 2015 #21
I couldn't agree more. eom. GGJohn Aug 2015 #24
I think that's the case as well. joshcryer Aug 2015 #56
I don't think that's why China keeps NK afloat Nevernose Aug 2015 #63
I sure as hell hope so. mathematic Aug 2015 #26
We have been at war with NK since 1950. roamer65 Aug 2015 #28
No China will not egg them on GP6971 Aug 2015 #31
Exactly. SK's trade with China is hifiguy Aug 2015 #33
Not only with SK GP6971 Aug 2015 #37
Jeremy Corbyn Jeneral2885 Aug 2015 #39
OK, Who is this person? GP6971 Aug 2015 #40
We are already involved Marrah_G Aug 2015 #48
In a little under 4 hours GP6971 Aug 2015 #49
North Korea backed down, as usual. joshcryer Aug 2015 #55
of course we would DrDan Aug 2015 #57
First of all, it is unlikely to happen davidpdx Aug 2015 #58
Technically we are still in state of war. A peace treaty was never signed. davidn3600 Aug 2015 #59
The US had already broken the armstice back in 56... Lancero Aug 2015 #66
Probably more blackmail eridani Aug 2015 #61
Say one thing about the Kims. hifiguy Aug 2015 #64
I've never seen it this tense... SidDithers Aug 2015 #65
Could go hot any day now... Brickbat Aug 2015 #68
Explosion at US military storage depot in Japan Ex Lurker Aug 2015 #67
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